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DH Masters Winter: Group Stages

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October 20th, 2020 13:28 GMT

DreamHack StarCraft 2 Masters: Winter
Group Stages

by Wax

The final DreamHack Masters Season of 2020 is set to begin!

This season may bring us some of the fiercest competition yet, with the Masters Championship at IEM Katowice 2021 now looming over the horizon. While there are still ESL Weekly Cups remaining, while there's still a "To be announced" EPT global event in January, and while there may still be some 3rd party tournaments to come, this is still a unique chance for players to earn a big chunk of ESL Pro Tour points in one go (and, let's face it, only a few non-Korean players can really earn points at a global event).

Europe, in particular, seems like it will feature a bloody frenzy for points, as it's paramount for mid-ranked players to perform well in this tournament if they're to secure a spot at IEM Katowice (reminder: the new EPT system awards IEM Katowice spots per-region, so a player's point ranking inside their region is what matters, not their overall rank).

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EPT Point Standings


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DreamHack StarCraft 2 Masters 2020: Winter


Europe

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*Top four from each group advance to double-elimination playoffs

Already, it seems inevitable that we're going to have some intense, do-or-die matches for EPT points in the playoffs. Europe may be the deepest SC2 region aside from Korea, but only seven players can earn spots at IEM Katowice 2021. The current top seven is as follows: Reynor, Serral, Clem, HeroMarine, ShowTimE, uThermal, and MaNa/PtitDrogo (tie).

While it seems safe to say the top three players are secure in their spots, the history of European competition tells us just about anything could happen further down the rankings. Remember WCS Montreal 2018, and that desperate five-way BlizzCon race between Nerchio, Lambo, uThermal, Reynor, and Elazer?

Given the remaining ESL Open Cups and the potential for third party events that award points (a winter HomeStory Cup has been a fixture of competitive SC2 for a while now), the standings at the end of this season of DH Europe won't have that same sense of finality. But for now, everyone has reason to be hopeful, and think that they'll be the one making a miracle run and soaring up the rankings.

North America


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*Top four from each group advance to double-elimination playoffs

In contrast to Europe, the North American looks like it's almost a wrap. Neeb, Astrea, and Scarlett are cruising their way toward their region's three IEM Katowice spots, with Future and Nina having a very narrow chance of disrupting the proceedings. Still, the difference between a direct seed to the group stage (RO24) and having to survive the play-ins (RO36) is substantial, so there will still be a competitive race to avoid third place in the NA standings going forward.

Latin America

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*Top two from each group advance to double-elimination playoffs

The stakes are pretty simple in Latin America. SpeCial is locked in as the #1 seed with a huge surplus of points, leaving Kelazhur and Cham to contend for the region's other spot at IEM. Last season, Cham knocked Kelazhur out of LATAM's #2 spot for the first time in over a year, and if he can repeat that feat, he'll probably be the one headed to Poland (ESL's plans about live competition are pending).

China

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*Top two from each group advance to double-elimination playoffs

Similar to Latin America, China receives two spots at IEM Katowice, and this race is all about who takes second place. TIME is virtually locked in at first place—in order for him to be supplanted, another player would have to win this season of Masters China, AND win a presently non-existant third-party tournament on top of that.

Unlike LATAM, however, China doesn't have the same three players finishing on the medal stand in every single tournament, so there's actually a broad range of possibilities in terms of who gets second place. Cyan and Jieshi trail TIME at the moment, but they could easily be supplanted. Weirdly enough, China might be the region where the small number of points available in the ESL Weekly Cups could make a huge difference. The five points from placing runner-up? That could very well decide things in the end.

Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau & Japan

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*Top two from each group advance to double-elimination playoffs

We can probably call the race here, even without knowing the details of the remaining EPT/third-party events: Has and Nice are going to be representing Taiwan at IEM Katowice. However, if a bookie somewhere is willing to give me 1,000,000,000 to 1 odds on Rex winning this season of Masters Taiwan, HomeStory Cup 21, and the next ten ESL Open NA Cups to reach IEM Katowice, I'll take that bet.

Oceania + Asia


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*Top two from each group advance to double-elimination playoffs

With just a single IEM Katowice spot up for grabs (into the play-ins, not even the main group stage), OCE is the smallest EPT region. But in a certain sense, that also means the stakes are the highest in this competition. Probe has a tenuous grip on the #1 spot for now, but fans of drama will surely be cheering for United Kingdom/New Zealand dual-citizen RiSky to come out on top and stoke the protectionist flames. Seither can also claim the IEM ticket with a first place finish—given that he's won WCS Challenger OCE tournaments before, it wouldn't be a particularly surprising result.




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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
October 20 2020 14:07 GMT
#2
I didn't know who Risky is, but considering how much they stirred the shit, I'm gonna hope he advances

A fan of drama
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
October 20 2020 14:09 GMT
#3
In Europe, group B seems the hardest to me; again a bad draw for MaxPax, he needs to deliver to advance.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 14:30:35
October 20 2020 14:24 GMT
#4
On October 20 2020 23:09 Xain0n wrote:
In Europe, group B seems the hardest to me; again a bad draw for MaxPax, he needs to deliver to advance.

I think its actually better for him than the last draw, where it was all Zergs.
And that realy tells somehing, when the Group of Death this time is still his better draw so unlucky

I mean the only one, he s never beaten before in that group is Clem Elazer, so it s absolutly doable.
That said I think he has negative winrates vs Showtime and Clem as well.
E.: he s also on a losing matchscore vs Gungfu: Aligulac Prediction
MaxPax
shadow4723
Profile Joined October 2018
87 Posts
October 20 2020 14:26 GMT
#5
so excited to follow the EU Group B matches in particular
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 20 2020 15:14 GMT
#6
It's nice to get a 'state of the race' update at this time. Hopefully after DH Winter there will be some players still close enough in standings to be forced into playing a bunch of Open Cups--that would be pretty exciting.
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
October 20 2020 15:39 GMT
#7
On October 21 2020 00:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It's nice to get a 'state of the race' update at this time. Hopefully after DH Winter there will be some players still close enough in standings to be forced into playing a bunch of Open Cups--that would be pretty exciting.


Seeing Dark and others doing these again in Korea, some Chinese players trying to get a hand in Europe and continuous European landing on the Americas, this scraping for the Open cup points is already started, and it will grow worse (or better ?) the closer we'll get to the Katowice deadline
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19385 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 16:45:52
October 20 2020 16:14 GMT
#8
Stephano has been on the cusp of a comeback. I think he will finally get there in this DH.
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States885 Posts
October 20 2020 16:53 GMT
#9
On October 20 2020 23:26 shadow4723 wrote:
so excited to follow the EU Group B matches in particular


Agreed! No Serral or Reynor, but the presence of showtime, clem, elazer, and vanya should make it a very tough group.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
October 20 2020 17:19 GMT
#10
On October 20 2020 23:09 Xain0n wrote:
In Europe, group B seems the hardest to me; again a bad draw for MaxPax, he needs to deliver to advance.


Totally agree. B is death group and MaxPax is very talented, I feel like he would advance in any other group. In this he might but will strugle.
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3725 Posts
October 21 2020 07:50 GMT
#11
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
October 21 2020 08:03 GMT
#12
On October 21 2020 02:19 followZeRoX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2020 23:09 Xain0n wrote:
In Europe, group B seems the hardest to me; again a bad draw for MaxPax, he needs to deliver to advance.


Totally agree. B is death group and MaxPax is very talented, I feel like he would advance in any other group. In this he might but will strugle.


Could MaxPax theoretically break into top 7 if he does well in this tourney? I think for sure he can advance from this group, and I agree, it seems to be the hardest group.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 08:25:01
October 21 2020 08:20 GMT
#13
On October 21 2020 17:03 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 02:19 followZeRoX wrote:
On October 20 2020 23:09 Xain0n wrote:
In Europe, group B seems the hardest to me; again a bad draw for MaxPax, he needs to deliver to advance.


Totally agree. B is death group and MaxPax is very talented, I feel like he would advance in any other group. In this he might but will strugle.


Could MaxPax theoretically break into top 7 if he does well in this tourney? I think for sure he can advance from this group, and I agree, it seems to be the hardest group.

I think he would need at least a top 3, wich is quite unlikely unfortunatly :/
E.: He would actually need to win it to make it straight to Top 7 RIP
But I think with realy good results in the Global events (wich are also unlikely, seeing how he s been struggeling vs Solar in Open NA Cups) he could still make it to Kato with a Top 3 finnish.
So yeah, Katowice is out of the picture for this year I think...
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whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
October 21 2020 08:48 GMT
#14
So much good SC incoming, love DH/ESL, hypeee!
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
October 21 2020 12:15 GMT
#15
Risky - Probe in losers match is quite heartbreaking tbh.
For me thier rivalry was one of the most entertaining things in this entire region, seeing them clash so early just feels wrong. Also this pretty much decided who gets the Kato spot from OCE..
MaxPax
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
October 21 2020 12:47 GMT
#16
On October 21 2020 01:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Stephano has been on the cusp of a comeback. I think he will finally get there in this DH.


Looking at his group, do you really think he can finish above any of the first 4 to make it out?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19385 Posts
October 21 2020 13:06 GMT
#17
On October 21 2020 21:47 ilax30 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 01:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Stephano has been on the cusp of a comeback. I think he will finally get there in this DH.


Looking at his group, do you really think he can finish above any of the first 4 to make it out?

Yes. That was the point of my comment. :D
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followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 20:42:01
October 21 2020 20:41 GMT
#18
On October 21 2020 17:03 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 02:19 followZeRoX wrote:
On October 20 2020 23:09 Xain0n wrote:
In Europe, group B seems the hardest to me; again a bad draw for MaxPax, he needs to deliver to advance.


Totally agree. B is death group and MaxPax is very talented, I feel like he would advance in any other group. In this he might but will strugle.


Could MaxPax theoretically break into top 7 if he does well in this tourney? I think for sure he can advance from this group, and I agree, it seems to be the hardest group.


I think not, especially after todays match. I am not sure he will qualify for sure because of his gimmicky/cheesy style everyone knows about.
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 21:28:31
October 21 2020 21:18 GMT
#19
On October 22 2020 05:41 followZeRoX wrote:

I think not, especially after todays match. I am not sure he will qualify for sure because of his gimmicky/cheesy style everyone knows about.


That's the problem, past the effect of surprise it's hit or miss, need more versatility. I hope he will qualify despite that, but not that bad if he doesn't. He still needs more experience to tighten his percentages. That's where Vanya's better experience with his own playstyle is showing off

Waiting for his match with Gungfubanda cautiously.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-22 10:21:41
October 22 2020 10:20 GMT
#20
On October 21 2020 21:15 dbRic1203 wrote:
Risky - Probe in losers match is quite heartbreaking tbh.
For me thier rivalry was one of the most entertaining things in this entire region, seeing them clash so early just feels wrong. Also this pretty much decided who gets the Kato spot from OCE..

Eh. They would have clashed in the winners' bracket if they hadn't both shit the bed. I fail to see the problem here. If Probe loses to TeebuL again, doesn't Seither have a good chance of taking the spot?

E: I guess he'd need to win the whole thing, and then then it'll come down to weeklies.
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