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On October 22 2020 06:18 Philippe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2020 05:41 followZeRoX wrote:
I think not, especially after todays match. I am not sure he will qualify for sure because of his gimmicky/cheesy style everyone knows about. That's the problem, past the effect of surprise it's hit or miss, need more versatility. I hope he will qualify despite that, but not that bad if he doesn't. He still needs more experience to tighten his percentages. That's where Vanya's better experience with his own playstyle is showing off Waiting for his match with Gungfubanda cautiously.
Yes, I was quite surprised casters went for MaxPax win except CatZ. He young tho, I guess he and goblin can be tio protosses in EU by next year if they mix macro style with proxy/canons.
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Dont really agree what you guys are saying about Maxpax, obviously when his name became known he was known as a cheeser and last year most of his wins v well known guys came because of weird builds.
But if Maxpax this year really stepped up his game, and if you follow some of the top streamers you would see for yourself how solid his standard macro game has become. You dont get 6.8k on the ladder by just cheesing the crap out of everyone.
Hes taken quite a few games off the best terrans in eu in tournaments, and in pvp hes one of the best players right now even beating showtime multiple times in official series. I always felt PvZ was his weakest matchup, but a few months ago after normally getting farmed v the top zergs he suddenly started beating Lambo 4-5 times in a row on the ladder. Then he also started doing this in tournaments 2-0'ing the German twice in the last few months with solid timings.
So all in all Maxpax is in a good spot right now, he certainly isnt a standard player but he can use that to his strength utilising cheesy strats in 40-50% of the games while at the same time being solid enough to beat top players in a straight up game. Even Neeb is one of the most prolific cannon rushers on the ladder v zerg who then backs it up with his strong macro play to keep his advantage the cannon rush earned him. Will be very interesting to see how he develops next year.
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On October 22 2020 22:01 ilax30 wrote:
Dont really agree what you guys are saying about Maxpax, obviously when his name became known he was known as a cheeser and last year most of his wins v well known guys came because of weird builds.
But if Maxpax this year really stepped up his game, and if you follow some of the top streamers you would see for yourself how solid his standard macro game has become. You dont get 6.8k on the ladder by just cheesing the crap out of everyone.
Hes taken quite a few games off the best terrans in eu in tournaments, and in pvp hes one of the best players right now even beating showtime multiple times in official series. I always felt PvZ was his weakest matchup, but a few months ago after normally getting farmed v the top zergs he suddenly started beating Lambo 4-5 times in a row on the ladder. Then he also started doing this in tournaments 2-0'ing the German twice in the last few months with solid timings.
So all in all Maxpax is in a good spot right now, he certainly isnt a standard player but he can use that to his strength utilising cheesy strats in 40-50% of the games while at the same time being solid enough to beat top players in a straight up game. Even Neeb is one of the most prolific cannon rushers on the ladder v zerg who then backs it up with his strong macro play to keep his advantage the cannon rush earned him. Will be very interesting to see how he develops next year.
100% this.
I mean eben though he lost game 3 vs Vanya yesterday, he didn t comit 100% on the Canon rush, like he would have a year ago, but just used it to Control how the game Starts, just like Vanyas hatch block in G1.
Ironically both lost the games where they went for early pressure to Controll the oppening LUL.
But neither of them tried to win the game with that moves, just wanted to be anoying, wich is quite good in a series with preperation I think, because your Opponent can t go straight into his prepared build anymore
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On October 22 2020 19:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2020 21:15 dbRic1203 wrote:
Risky - Probe in losers match is quite heartbreaking tbh.
For me thier rivalry was one of the most entertaining things in this entire region, seeing them clash so early just feels wrong. Also this pretty much decided who gets the Kato spot from OCE.. Eh. They would have clashed in the winners' bracket if they hadn't both shit the bed. I fail to see the problem here. If Probe loses to TeebuL again, doesn't Seither have a good chance of taking the spot? E: I guess he'd need to win the whole thing, and then then it'll come down to weeklies.
As if either of them could get points from weeklies. Seems a bit optimistic, no?
Even on NA, wich is arguably the easiest to get points from weeklies allways has at least 4 realy strong Players. So getting 5 points in a weekly is probably harder than win the OCE ( or Tw) DH Regional
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On October 22 2020 22:14 dbRic1203 wrote:
100% this.
I mean eben though he lost game 3 vs Vanya yesterday, he didn t comit 100% on the Canon rush, like he would have a year ago, but just used it to Control how the game Starts, just like Vanyas hatch block in G1.
Ironically both lost the games where they went for early pressure to Controll the oppening LUL.
But neither of them tried to win the game with that moves, just wanted to be anoying, wich is quite good in a series with preperation I think, because your Opponent can t go straight into his prepared build anymore
I probably overthink caution so that's why I see that differently. But yes there's already a big evolution in his playstyle, and that shows in the smaller events and in the ladder, and hopefully he gets it fast in the bigger stages (two seasons in a row through qualies is already great)
On October 22 2020 22:23 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2020 19:20 Acrofales wrote:On October 21 2020 21:15 dbRic1203 wrote:
Risky - Probe in losers match is quite heartbreaking tbh.
For me thier rivalry was one of the most entertaining things in this entire region, seeing them clash so early just feels wrong. Also this pretty much decided who gets the Kato spot from OCE.. Eh. They would have clashed in the winners' bracket if they hadn't both shit the bed. I fail to see the problem here. If Probe loses to TeebuL again, doesn't Seither have a good chance of taking the spot? E: I guess he'd need to win the whole thing, and then then it'll come down to weeklies. As if either of them could get points from weeklies. Seems a bit optimistic, no? Even on NA, wich is arguably the easiest to get points from weeklies allways has at least 4 realy strong Players. So getting 5 points in a weekly is probably harder than win the OCE ( or Tw) DH Regional
Seither has no guarantees to win the OCE version of DH. Every player in the region is a bit inconsistent. He would have to win the whole thing, and even then it's down to the wire. Probe would only need a couple of points to take his spot back. But like dbric said, none would be able to get a single point out of the weeklies. Probe's match history in the KR ones doesn't make me optimistic, and Seither never does them (unless I missed something). The best result there is from what I remember, Risky doing QF in the NA months ago.
Given the end of the season approaches, even more players will start to do these weeklies. So it's already harder to get points there than in the OCE region, but it's going even worse the more it goes.
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Are there really twice as many Protoss (almost) as there are either of the other two races? Ugh. Gonna be a LOT of PvP in this tournament.
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On October 23 2020 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:
Are there really twice as many Protoss (almost) as there are either of the other two races? Ugh. Gonna be a LOT of PvP in this tournament.
PvP might be the most enjoyable mirror match at the moment. At least, it's much better than it used to be last year!
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On October 23 2020 04:29 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2020 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:
Are there really twice as many Protoss (almost) as there are either of the other two races? Ugh. Gonna be a LOT of PvP in this tournament. PvP might be the most enjoyable mirror match at the moment. At least, it's much better than it used to be last year!
I watched some of Hellraiser vs Mana, and the games were decent. The players used slightly different builds and compositions, and they both got 3+ bases in every game of the Bo3.
The matchup seems to be a lot about blink stalkers, but that is fine.
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That webcam smash was pretty disgusting from Uthermal
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