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On June 30 2020 10:27 fastr wrote:
3. Redeye choosing to walk away from Esport does not equate to him admitting guilt NOR does it absolves him from any of the accusations if they were proven to be true.
Did you read his statement? While his apology is very general, he did apologize. Why would he do that if it would not be true? Earlier in his statement he even mentioned that some things are true (though not be specific about, which).
On June 30 2020 10:27 fastr wrote:
5. This being the most important point to me. James Banks decided to come up with his statement at a very specific time, when numerous women in the esport scene came up with their own stories of sexual harassment/abuse. He obviously thought that by posting this now, his story would gain more traction (which it did), caught in the wind of all those other stories. I have a big problem with that. Like I said before, Redeye may deserve to get kicked out of esports, but that's beside the point. The reason Banks started this whole smear campaign wasn't due to any form of personal harassment or abuse. Mr Bank took revenge on Redeye because Redeye was his superior at the time and denied him an opportunity to host an undisclosed number of events.
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Redeye lost his career because of a personal vendetta. It doesn't mean that he didn't deserve to go down. I just find it disgusting how this Banks fella used the #MeToo movement for his own little revenge.
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Now you speculate without proof about the "real" reason, while you hold back judgement for Redeye since there is not much hard proof.
James Banks was courageous enough to call out Redeye. Exposing Redeye's actions seems to be motivated by Banks' personal experience with Redeye. So, what? Should he tactfully tiptoe around? Should he ask others to look into it?
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SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!??
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On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!??
Rhetorical question? That is exactly what people started to question based off the examples you said in the first sentence. Did you not just answer your own question.
Morale of the story be a good human being to others to avoid shit hitting the fan.
Everyone should be following the golden rule.
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On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!??
Ha! Glad to see someone who knows who the REAL enemies are!
- status quo
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Just out of curiosity, why does there have to be an enemy and why can't we just treat each other as human beings Penev?
edit: On June 30 2020 22:26 Penev wrote:
That wasn't me, that was a quote from status quo.
I've edited my post.
nvm then.
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That wasn't me, that was a quote from status quo.
I've edited my post.
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On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!??
Uh, what was the verdict of the court? Just being curious.
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On June 30 2020 21:28 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!?? Rhetorical question? That is exactly what people started to question based off the examples you said in the first sentence. Did you not just answer your own question. Morale of the story be a good human being to others to avoid shit hitting the fan. Everyone should be following the golden rule.
If Heartland wasn't being sarcastic/ironic I will play protoss the rest of this season.
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On June 30 2020 22:53 Mverdo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 21:28 StarStruck wrote:On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!?? Rhetorical question? That is exactly what people started to question based off the examples you said in the first sentence. Did you not just answer your own question. Morale of the story be a good human being to others to avoid shit hitting the fan. Everyone should be following the golden rule. If Heartland wasn't being sarcastic/ironic I will play protoss the rest of this season.
Ha. Sorry I haven't been around the community for several years to know what everyone is like now.
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On June 30 2020 08:18 Circumstance wrote:
I'm not going to miss Redeye. But you know who I will miss a whole lot? The person I thought Redeye was. The person everybody who didn't work in the industry thought Redeye was. Ironically, he was known for bringing an air of class to large events. His ability to command a stage or an analysis desk was both formal and entertaining in times when both were needed - now we know what that command actually involved.
Good riddance to Paul, and may he find a way to reintegrate himself into offline society in a non-violent manner where he is incapable of abusing others. But goodbye to the fictional character known as Redeye, who did right by the fans and made esports moments absolute classics.
Well said, this was a tougher one for me than some of the others emotionally as I really did love that persona, but agreed 100%
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dota 2 lost about 3 main casters recently and now this. 
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On June 30 2020 22:57 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 22:53 Mverdo wrote:On June 30 2020 21:28 StarStruck wrote:On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!?? Rhetorical question? That is exactly what people started to question based off the examples you said in the first sentence. Did you not just answer your own question. Morale of the story be a good human being to others to avoid shit hitting the fan. Everyone should be following the golden rule. If Heartland wasn't being sarcastic/ironic I will play protoss the rest of this season. Ha. Sorry I haven't been around the community for several years to know what everyone is like now.
I was really sarcastic
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On June 30 2020 22:41 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!?? Uh, what was the verdict of the court? Just being curious.
I think the thread has been through the whole discussion on court rulings in cases like abuse before, so I'll just refer back to that.
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On July 01 2020 00:14 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 22:57 StarStruck wrote:On June 30 2020 22:53 Mverdo wrote:On June 30 2020 21:28 StarStruck wrote:On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!?? Rhetorical question? That is exactly what people started to question based off the examples you said in the first sentence. Did you not just answer your own question. Morale of the story be a good human being to others to avoid shit hitting the fan. Everyone should be following the golden rule. If Heartland wasn't being sarcastic/ironic I will play protoss the rest of this season. Ha. Sorry I haven't been around the community for several years to know what everyone is like now. I was really sarcastic
Aww, I was hoping you would decide it's more fun to make Mverdo play protoss 
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I never like the argument about ruining people's careers. Your career is ruined if you're a black kid with a prison record, it's difficult to even find a job and often you are relegated to a life of poverty. It's not ruined if you voluntarily leave your own fairly sizable media company after accusations of assault. Redeye could literally do any random job that doesn't have him be the boss of a company. All this stuff is tied to an online persona anyhow. The problem is that he very likely abused power, therefore there should be at a minimum some sort of social pressure to eliminate his opportunities to abuse others.
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On July 01 2020 00:25 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2020 00:14 Heartland wrote:On June 30 2020 22:57 StarStruck wrote:On June 30 2020 22:53 Mverdo wrote:On June 30 2020 21:28 StarStruck wrote:On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!?? Rhetorical question? That is exactly what people started to question based off the examples you said in the first sentence. Did you not just answer your own question. Morale of the story be a good human being to others to avoid shit hitting the fan. Everyone should be following the golden rule. If Heartland wasn't being sarcastic/ironic I will play protoss the rest of this season. Ha. Sorry I haven't been around the community for several years to know what everyone is like now. I was really sarcastic Aww, I was hoping you would decide it's more fun to make Mverdo play protoss
We are a select group, we don't want people who don't understand the purity of sOs and His herald Has.
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On July 01 2020 00:15 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 22:41 deacon.frost wrote:On June 30 2020 21:20 Heartland wrote:
SJW:s are ruining esports by criticizing a guy who went to court for assaulting his disabled wife and children, and who punched a colleague and bullied others! When will it stop?!? When you get basic human decency for all people?!?!?? Uh, what was the verdict of the court? Just being curious. I think the thread has been through the whole discussion on court rulings in cases like abuse before, so I'll just refer back to that.
I just want to know if it's OK to call out people for being at the court while not being sentenced.
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On June 30 2020 17:40 spookey1 wrote:
Calling someone out for being an asshole on multiple occasions due their anger management issues, fine.
Slandering them, pushing to cancel their careers and bringing their family into it.. fuck off social justice warriors.
Sometimes I wish twitter had never existed.
It's only slander if it's not true.
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On June 30 2020 04:00 aringadingding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 03:50 desuduesdeus wrote:
I think this was handled exactly as cases like this should be handled. How can you agree that abuse of power-like behaviour should be stopped but feel bad when it's done via the victims speaking out about it? There's some kind of mental disconnect that I can't wrap my mind around. Feel free to help me understand if you will.
Veery good question. Good point.
Well, in this case it ended up not being as bad, I guess. I'd have to reread in detail to give you concrete examples.
Though in essence, it is impossible to have nuanced reactions through social media. It is either right or wrong, which does not do justice for matters that should be treated carefully case-by-case.
In Redeye's case it wasn't only the serious accusations that were brought up, but every little thing which "possibly" made him look bad was put out into the open. Statements such as "he was difficult to work with" and similar, which are really closer to subjective slandering than anything else. Just because someone is guilty, does not justify using this as an excuse to use that person as an outlet for agression and hold everything remotely incriminating against him. I am sure every shit storm on the internet, involves having the accused receiving death threats of the worst kind. In most countries, law is not an eye for an eye, punishment is determined carefully with the appropriate amount. Even criminals are still human beings.
On the internet though, there is no restrain. Banks, the person who originally brought up the accusations knows that too. Hence why he asked people to calm down after Redeye stepped down.
It is not bad that people speak out about crimes or bad behavior. The problem comes with the "mob mentality" of the internet, which (re)act on those statements without much though and without restraint.
In the end, a trial by "twitter" is still better than no trial, so I guess that's that. Warped justice is better than no justice (?)
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On June 30 2020 08:18 Circumstance wrote:
I'm not going to miss Redeye. But you know who I will miss a whole lot? The person I thought Redeye was. The person everybody who didn't work in the industry thought Redeye was. Ironically, he was known for bringing an air of class to large events. His ability to command a stage or an analysis desk was both formal and entertaining in times when both were needed - now we know what that command actually involved.
Good riddance to Paul, and may he find a way to reintegrate himself into offline society in a non-violent manner where he is incapable of abusing others. But goodbye to the fictional character known as Redeye, who did right by the fans and made esports moments absolute classics.
Well said. I honestly don't know what some of you even deem a fire-able offense at this point. The amount of victim blaming is incredible
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