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On June 30 2020 08:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 08:05 raff100 wrote:On June 30 2020 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The only real thing we know about this is that several people have spoken up that Redeye is an asshole to work with. And he's admitted this himself as a flaw. But there's also a lot of people who hes helped in their work and who did have good experience with him.
There's the punching thing of which we know zero details on how, what, or why.
There's a closed court case of which we know zero details except some anonymous internet post claiming he hit his wife. He was also found not guilty in the case....
And there is a work dispute where James Banks got demoted from caster to interviewer by Redeye and he developed mental health issues from this. Banks claims Redeye made an effort to 'destroy his career' but I've yet to see any proof for that.
I really don't like how 'public opinion' has now decided Redeye is a horrible person. So : 1. His wife accuses him of shameful physical abuses. 2. His coworker accuses him of physical abuse in workplace, with probably a lot of witnesses of the event 3. Banks accuses him of various illegal actions like blackmailing and abuse of power, with more stuff from different witnesses to be unleashed 4. Pyrion , one of the chillest dota2 guys who has never been evolved in anything, says that he knew that all this shitstorm was coming because of the stories he heard and watched in first person For me is enough to define him as a bully, abusive with the weak and coward with the strong. Did his wife actually speak out? Afaik there's only there's only the anonymous reddit post about a court case I only now read that the 'punched guy' spoke up few hours ago and yeah this is not a good look for Redeye at all, agreed. We still don't know circumstances though. The 'blackmailing' stuff (which was 'if you say something bad, I'll say something bad too') was between Banks and this Luke Cotton who seem to have some history, not Redeye. I don't really know what this is, I read that conversation and it's just weird from both sides. What actual abuse of power is he accused of? Banks claimed he stopped journalists from publishing his story but I don't see how Redeye would have power over journalists. It's more than Banks is not a good writer and his story had some unverifiable claims. Pyrion said Redeye has been very rude to people and I believe that. It's sad but not enough to remove someone from the scene like this.I just feel like we really dont know much but a verdict has been made already. I don't like it in that sense.
He did remove himself though.
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Though not yet proven guilty in court. There is a lot of corroborating stories.
Thanks to all the people that came out as victims and the people that are speak up for whats right.
We need to continue to remove these people from our community.
Best of luck to him in his new chapter of life. I hope he gets professional help and he doesn't hurt others.
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Russian Federation38 Posts
Pretty funny: You put a rainbow avatar on Twitter, post black squares in instagram. Fully bent under the leftists, so to speak
They called it a white oppressor and forced to resign.
Initially, it was not necessary to bend and lick their ass
As a commentator and organizer, I liked him, but I unsubscribed from Instagram (posted excellent photos) after the blackout
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Wait until you get accused of something you have not done. Being helpless to save the life you have built.
I don't know the context of these situations because most of this seems to be a he said, she said, kind of deal, so I refuse to take sides.
While more people accusing someone of something does increase the chances of something to be true, all of you are sinners (secular) as well, so I wouldn't be so judgmental. Many of you just haven't been disproportionately been exposed or possess low impact jobs, that it doesn't matter what errors you make.
NONE of you know the entire context of the situation.
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Sticks and stone break bones, words never hurt.
Anyone equating Twitter attacks to physical violence is someone who has never been abused. Those who resort to violence deserve to be called out and have no place in civil society.
On June 30 2020 06:40 Starecat wrote:
So in the current reality the guy at the SC2 IEM insulting him was right?
Dude... This year is going from bad to worse.
It is a lot better than it used to be, where bullies would say... become President because people would be afraid to speak out.
The downfall is great to watch, both of the bullies and those that silently enable them.
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My two cents on the matter:
1. I'm happy to see most people remaining prudent and critical in the face of a mostly he-said/she-said situation, because things are never black and white in this kind of stories, and none of the statements made from either party should be taken at face value without actual proof.
2. It is almost certain that, based on the numbers of corroborating statements and comments, Redeye was, to put it lightly, "difficult to work with", or as I would call it, a cunt. Now, is being a cunt to your coworkers and subordinates enough of a reason to lose your career? That is not for me to answer, and I honestly don't know.
3. Redeye choosing to walk away from Esport does not equate to him admitting guilt NOR does it absolves him from any of the accusations if they were proven to be true.
4. Punching a coworker is obviously very serious, and I think if any of us did that at our respective jobs, we'd be sending resumes soon after. The thing is, nobody knows who or what started this argument, and I honestly believe some people deserve to be punched in the ribs. It was still an incredibly stupid things to do and Redeye was lucky he wasn't just fired on the spot.
5. This being the most important point to me. James Banks decided to come up with his statement at a very specific time, when numerous women in the esport scene came up with their own stories of sexual harassment/abuse. He obviously thought that by posting this now, his story would gain more traction (which it did), caught in the wind of all those other stories. I have a big problem with that. Like I said before, Redeye may deserve to get kicked out of esports, but that's beside the point. The reason Banks started this whole smear campaign wasn't due to any form of personal harassment or abuse. Mr Bank took revenge on Redeye because Redeye was his superior at the time and denied him an opportunity to host an undisclosed number of events.
Redeye lost his career because of a personal vendetta. It doesn't mean that he didn't deserve to go down. I just find it disgusting how this Banks fella used the #MeToo movement for his own little revenge. If being denied a promotion by your boss is enough ground to start a grand smear campaign on Twitter and end this person's career, what a sad, sad era we are entering upon.
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On June 30 2020 08:18 Circumstance wrote:
I'm not going to miss Redeye. But you know who I will miss a whole lot? The person I thought Redeye was. The person everybody who didn't work in the industry thought Redeye was. Ironically, he was known for bringing an air of class to large events. His ability to command a stage or an analysis desk was both formal and entertaining in times when both were needed - now we know what that command actually involved.
Good riddance to Paul, and may he find a way to reintegrate himself into offline society in a non-violent manner where he is incapable of abusing others. But goodbye to the fictional character known as Redeye, who did right by the fans and made esports moments absolute classics.
That's it with this whole thing. If he didn't punch and do a campaign of harassment, then this is a calumny and he should stand strong and re-enter the esports life. If there is any truth to the accusations and he hid it then and hides it now, then he should retire from the caster role. I've only seen denials so far, but I'll have to review the substance of allegations sometime this weekend.
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On June 30 2020 02:03 Thaniri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 01:33 algue wrote:
Did he do something bad or is he just simply retiring? I don't follow e-celebs drama These onesided Twitter shitstorms need to stop. If I want to look at a court case, I can find public record of all proceedings and make up my own mind. This is the first time I've noticed that people are accusing redeye of something. Put yourself in my shoes and re-read this Twitter post. What was he accused of? Who accused him? What defence has he put up? There is NO information here, it is strictly an appeal to emotion.
Maybe you should actually read what Banks wrote. There is legit beef with Redeye's conduct especially in the esports scene for bullying people he has hired. -_-
On June 30 2020 06:15 capu wrote:
Did Redeye face battery charges from the 2015 incident?
edit: I mean I can't believe stuff like that not being reported to the authorities right away. This is not to say that I doubt the overall story portrayed here if there really are multiple people speaking out against Redeye.
guy was scared he would never have a career in esports if he didn't listen to his boss considering he was threatened to never be able to work in it again.
it really isn't that hard to believe.
To put it bluntly why hire someone if you don't think they have the talent. Hiring them and berating them and putting them down is unwarranted especially when they are only starting out and you took them on.
Do not tell me other people didn't apply for the job. It really isn't that complicated.
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On June 30 2020 10:27 fastr wrote:
5. This being the most important point to me. James Banks decided to come up with his statement at a very specific time, when numerous women in the esport scene came up with their own stories of sexual harassment/abuse. He obviously thought that by posting this now, his story would gain more traction (which it did), caught in the wind of all those other stories. I have a big problem with that. Like I said before, Redeye may deserve to get kicked out of esports, but that's beside the point. The reason Banks started this whole smear campaign wasn't due to any form of personal harassment or abuse. Mr Bank took revenge on Redeye because Redeye was his superior at the time and denied him an opportunity to host an undisclosed number of events.
Redeye lost his career because of a personal vendetta. It doesn't mean that he didn't deserve to go down. I just find it disgusting how this Banks fella used the #MeToo movement for his own little revenge. If being denied a promotion by your boss is enough ground to start a grand smear campaign on Twitter and end this person's career, what a sad, sad era we are entering upon.
I think it's rather unfair to say Jimmy is doing this purely out of revenge, and even if he was, what should matter are the actions of Redeye. James' motives here are not particularly relevant unless we're doubting his complete credibility. And there are plenty of reasons outside of purely revenge for this. How about there being actual consequences in the industry? I wouldn't want someone who is totally abusive and tries to shit on your work in the industry if I had a choice.
Are you saying he should've just never said anything? Or that he should've said something sooner? Because it sounds like the latter has been done and has failed.
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On June 30 2020 13:34 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 10:27 fastr wrote:
5. This being the most important point to me. James Banks decided to come up with his statement at a very specific time, when numerous women in the esport scene came up with their own stories of sexual harassment/abuse. He obviously thought that by posting this now, his story would gain more traction (which it did), caught in the wind of all those other stories. I have a big problem with that. Like I said before, Redeye may deserve to get kicked out of esports, but that's beside the point. The reason Banks started this whole smear campaign wasn't due to any form of personal harassment or abuse. Mr Bank took revenge on Redeye because Redeye was his superior at the time and denied him an opportunity to host an undisclosed number of events.
Redeye lost his career because of a personal vendetta. It doesn't mean that he didn't deserve to go down. I just find it disgusting how this Banks fella used the #MeToo movement for his own little revenge. If being denied a promotion by your boss is enough ground to start a grand smear campaign on Twitter and end this person's career, what a sad, sad era we are entering upon. I think it's rather unfair to say Jimmy is doing this purely out of revenge, and even if he was, what should matter are the actions of Redeye. James' motives here are not particularly relevant unless we're doubting his complete credibility. And there are plenty of reasons outside of purely revenge for this. How about there being actual consequences in the industry? I wouldn't want someone who is totally abusive and tries to shit on your work in the industry if I had a choice. Are you saying he should've just never said anything? Or that he should've said something sooner? Because it sounds like the latter has been done and has failed.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have said anything, of course it's good to speak up if you have legitimate reasons for concern, which he had. I'm only criticizing the timing (in regard to the recent surge in sexual harassment accusations) and the medium he used for his statement (social media witch-hunts are just disgraceful in general, justified or not).
If a twitter witch-hunt was indeed the only way for people to realize what a cunt Redeye is, then I agree that it's also an issue with how modern society works.
By the way, if it sounds like I'm trying to defend Redeye for what he did, I'm not. Never cared for the guy and since he wasn't involved with SC2 anyway, good riddance indeed.
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On June 30 2020 09:54 BronzeKnee wrote:Sticks and stone break bones, words never hurt. Anyone equating Twitter attacks to physical violence is someone who has never been abused. Those who resort to violence deserve to be called out and have no place in civil society. Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 06:40 Starecat wrote:
So in the current reality the guy at the SC2 IEM insulting him was right?
Dude... This year is going from bad to worse. It is a lot better than it used to be, where bullies would say... become President because people would be afraid to speak out. The downfall is great to watch, both of the bullies and those that silently enable them.
your entire comment is ridiculous, and this is coming from someone who thinks he probably should no longer continue working in esports based on the claims.
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Calling someone out for being an asshole on multiple occasions due their anger management issues, fine.
Slandering them, pushing to cancel their careers and bringing their family into it.. fuck off social justice warriors.
Sometimes I wish twitter had never existed.
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On June 30 2020 10:27 fastr wrote:
My two cents on the matter:
1. I'm happy to see most people remaining prudent and critical in the face of a mostly he-said/she-said situation, because things are never black and white in this kind of stories, and none of the statements made from either party should be taken at face value without actual proof.
2. It is almost certain that, based on the numbers of corroborating statements and comments, Redeye was, to put it lightly, "difficult to work with", or as I would call it, a cunt. Now, is being a cunt to your coworkers and subordinates enough of a reason to lose your career? That is not for me to answer, and I honestly don't know.
3. Redeye choosing to walk away from Esport does not equate to him admitting guilt NOR does it absolves him from any of the accusations if they were proven to be true.
4. Punching a coworker is obviously very serious, and I think if any of us did that at our respective jobs, we'd be sending resumes soon after. The thing is, nobody knows who or what started this argument, and I honestly believe some people deserve to be punched in the ribs. It was still an incredibly stupid things to do and Redeye was lucky he wasn't just fired on the spot.
5. This being the most important point to me. James Banks decided to come up with his statement at a very specific time, when numerous women in the esport scene came up with their own stories of sexual harassment/abuse. He obviously thought that by posting this now, his story would gain more traction (which it did), caught in the wind of all those other stories. I have a big problem with that. Like I said before, Redeye may deserve to get kicked out of esports, but that's beside the point. The reason Banks started this whole smear campaign wasn't due to any form of personal harassment or abuse. Mr Bank took revenge on Redeye because Redeye was his superior at the time and denied him an opportunity to host an undisclosed number of events.
Redeye lost his career because of a personal vendetta. It doesn't mean that he didn't deserve to go down. I just find it disgusting how this Banks fella used the #MeToo movement for his own little revenge. If being denied a promotion by your boss is enough ground to start a grand smear campaign on Twitter and end this person's career, what a sad, sad era we are entering upon.
it's possible he saw it as an opportunity to exact vengeance but also possible that he felt emboldened by all the recent accusations to say something important that he lacked the courage to say earlier. I don't know a ton about case (read a few tweets but that's about it) so maybe you are aware of certain details that have pointed you towards thinking a personal vendetta is the more probable reason. If so, I would like to know.
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Lets be done with all this "don't bring drama to twitter", its pretty much "dont discuss drama in a place that is made for communication". You want to moderate your own discussion forum were we only talk about unicors and rainbows you make it yourself.
Anyone that has been a victim of power abuse and actual abuse at work knows that communicating with the perpetrator or the rest of the actual organization is many times moot. Look at Riot, nothing happened until the actual bullies got widespread media coverage, it didnt matter how many reported them inhouse. If you are abused by your boss or similar and the organizations got their backs you are powerless. Your options are either to bring widespread attention to the problem, just take it (like a victim should?) or leave the company (and let the bully continue to ruin careers and lives).
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On June 30 2020 17:40 spookey1 wrote:
Slandering them, pushing to cancel their careers and bringing their family into it.. fuck off social justice warriors.
Just want to say that from what I have read in this thread no one did that, no one pushed for him to end his career, no one slandered him and the one who brought his family into it was Redeye himself.
Redeyes reply to this situation was,; "Stop blaming me for something I freed from in a court of law", Redeye made it seem like he had been freed of the things he was accused of. Which was not true, since he himself brough the court up in order for us "the public" to know if he had actually been freed from charges relating to what he was being blamed for we needed to know what the court case was for. The reason we can read the court case is because Redeye himself brought it up as defense to make it sound like had been freed in court and wasnt a harasser. A bald face lie that we know can see through.
Its so funny when people are like: "How do we know he did anything wrong?"
Perpetrator: "But dont harass my children"
Same people: "How the hell could you guys harass his children".
He has shown no proof of his children being harassed or even indicated in any way how they have been harassed.
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On June 30 2020 17:40 spookey1 wrote:
Calling someone out for being an asshole on multiple occasions due their anger management issues, fine.
Slandering them, pushing to cancel their careers and bringing their family into it.. fuck off social justice warriors.
Sometimes I wish twitter had never existed.
The allegations in this case are rather more severe than Redeye just being "an asshole on multiple occasions". Physically assaulting someone in the workplace should be more than enough to result in expulsion from that workplace and line of business.
Besides, why is social justice a bad thing? Seems like a pretty good goal to fight for, to me.
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On June 30 2020 10:27 fastr wrote:
My two cents on the matter:
1. I'm happy to see most people remaining prudent and critical in the face of a mostly he-said/she-said situation, because things are never black and white in this kind of stories, and none of the statements made from either party should be taken at face value without actual proof.
2. It is almost certain that, based on the numbers of corroborating statements and comments, Redeye was, to put it lightly, "difficult to work with", or as I would call it, a cunt. Now, is being a cunt to your coworkers and subordinates enough of a reason to lose your career? That is not for me to answer, and I honestly don't know.
3. Redeye choosing to walk away from Esport does not equate to him admitting guilt NOR does it absolves him from any of the accusations if they were proven to be true.
4. Punching a coworker is obviously very serious, and I think if any of us did that at our respective jobs, we'd be sending resumes soon after. The thing is, nobody knows who or what started this argument, and I honestly believe some people deserve to be punched in the ribs. It was still an incredibly stupid things to do and Redeye was lucky he wasn't just fired on the spot.
5. This being the most important point to me. James Banks decided to come up with his statement at a very specific time, when numerous women in the esport scene came up with their own stories of sexual harassment/abuse. He obviously thought that by posting this now, his story would gain more traction (which it did), caught in the wind of all those other stories. I have a big problem with that. Like I said before, Redeye may deserve to get kicked out of esports, but that's beside the point. The reason Banks started this whole smear campaign wasn't due to any form of personal harassment or abuse. Mr Bank took revenge on Redeye because Redeye was his superior at the time and denied him an opportunity to host an undisclosed number of events.
Redeye lost his career because of a personal vendetta. It doesn't mean that he didn't deserve to go down. I just find it disgusting how this Banks fella used the #MeToo movement for his own little revenge. If being denied a promotion by your boss is enough ground to start a grand smear campaign on Twitter and end this person's career, what a sad, sad era we are entering upon.
Well said and I agree with most of it. In Banks initial post he did however link to a tweet he did back in Feb, whether or not he should continue with his quest. So while his timing for maximal publicity couldn't be better, it was still in the works. I do agree that even though Banks is very "this is not a vendetta", I too get the feeling it's exactly that. From a personal standpoint, I'm glad RedEye is leaving Esport. I was in contact with him like 10 years ago when he was at QuadV and later Heaven Media, and he came across as a real tyrant.
edit: somewhat nicer
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I don't even know... to laugh or cry. LMAO! Look to what you turned esports scene, as it wasn't in bad state???!!! Well played.
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On June 30 2020 18:14 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 17:40 spookey1 wrote:
Calling someone out for being an asshole on multiple occasions due their anger management issues, fine.
Slandering them, pushing to cancel their careers and bringing their family into it.. fuck off social justice warriors.
Sometimes I wish twitter had never existed. The allegations in this case are rather more severe than Redeye just being "an asshole on multiple occasions". Physically assaulting someone in the workplace should be more than enough to result in expulsion from that workplace and line of business. Besides, why is social justice a bad thing? Seems like a pretty good goal to fight for, to me.
Some people are just desperate to claw at any excuse so they could act like victims and blame everything on some made-up army of evil leftists. It's nice to see that TL is mostly reasonable and prudent in this but even here you see some bizarre posts from people out of the loop or repeating some real head-scratchers from their favourite alt-right youtubers.
All in all, lata to every cretin outed and dismissed with what has overall been a positive movement.
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On June 30 2020 08:18 Circumstance wrote:
I'm not going to miss Redeye. But you know who I will miss a whole lot? The person I thought Redeye was. The person everybody who didn't work in the industry thought Redeye was. Ironically, he was known for bringing an air of class to large events. His ability to command a stage or an analysis desk was both formal and entertaining in times when both were needed - now we know what that command actually involved.
Good riddance to Paul, and may he find a way to reintegrate himself into offline society in a non-violent manner where he is incapable of abusing others. But goodbye to the fictional character known as Redeye, who did right by the fans and made esports moments absolute classics.
Yeah, the public Redeye persona will be missed by me as well. I am sad that seemingly backstage it was not all posture.
There are multiple reports of him punching. This alone is bad enough and I am disappointed.
On June 30 2020 09:31 her0craft wrote:
Wait until you get accused of something you have not done. Being helpless to save the life you have built.
I don't know the context of these situations because most of this seems to be a he said, she said, kind of deal, so I refuse to take sides.
While more people accusing someone of something does increase the chances of something to be true, all of you are sinners (secular) as well, so I wouldn't be so judgmental. Many of you just haven't been disproportionately been exposed or possess low impact jobs, that it doesn't matter what errors you make.
NONE of you know the entire context of the situation.
Don't let the best be the enemy of the good. There is some evidence, Redeye denied the most important accusations but generally admitted problematic behavior, then multiple persons came forward, mounting on more testimony. Then Redeye quit and issued an apology. It seems a lot that much of what was said about him is true. Just because we might also did something wrong (though to a lesser degree) does not mean victims cannot seek consequences for bad actions of others.
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