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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
June 29 2020 17:39 GMT
#21
I think stepping down is probably the best thing he could do at this point to prevent further damage against himselfe, his family, the company and the community.
MaxPax
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
June 29 2020 17:39 GMT
#22
On June 30 2020 02:32 Big-t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 02:23 raff100 wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:17 Big-t wrote:
Noooo, what have the social justice warriors done now?? What is happening lately? Has none been taught on how to solve problems like an adult? Why are we bringing drama more and more to social media? This has to stop...

Turns like that using your power against weaker workers is not solving problems like an adult, it means being a coward. It's really easy to act like a bully against people who cannot defend themselves in the fear of losing their job and then say "I'm sorry , all gone".
I'm really glad that all these people ,men and women, are voicing their abuses so we know how many bullies are in the esports and clean them all.


Ah, I didn't mean punching someone is an adult way of problem solving. I think it is very good that he lost his job for this behavior. What I meant was the way on how this happend. Involving his family and even kids (how old are they? If they are underaged this is beyond not OK) is too much imo. Pointing out that he did something wrong was the right move, but I think if the people who got him into nearly suicide and harassed his famaily get away with this, it would send the wrong message to further similar situations. However I have no suggestion on what to do...


From what I understand, noone harassed his family. It was his family that brought him to court for phisical abuses. This is what Banks reported at least.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
June 29 2020 17:40 GMT
#23
On June 30 2020 02:39 raff100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 02:32 Big-t wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:23 raff100 wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:17 Big-t wrote:
Noooo, what have the social justice warriors done now?? What is happening lately? Has none been taught on how to solve problems like an adult? Why are we bringing drama more and more to social media? This has to stop...

Turns like that using your power against weaker workers is not solving problems like an adult, it means being a coward. It's really easy to act like a bully against people who cannot defend themselves in the fear of losing their job and then say "I'm sorry , all gone".
I'm really glad that all these people ,men and women, are voicing their abuses so we know how many bullies are in the esports and clean them all.


Ah, I didn't mean punching someone is an adult way of problem solving. I think it is very good that he lost his job for this behavior. What I meant was the way on how this happend. Involving his family and even kids (how old are they? If they are underaged this is beyond not OK) is too much imo. Pointing out that he did something wrong was the right move, but I think if the people who got him into nearly suicide and harassed his famaily get away with this, it would send the wrong message to further similar situations. However I have no suggestion on what to do...


From what I understand, noone harassed his family. It was his family that brought him to court for phisical abuses. This is what Banks reported at least.


Oh Ok, then sorry for the fake news :/
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
June 29 2020 17:42 GMT
#24
On June 30 2020 02:39 raff100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 02:32 Big-t wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:23 raff100 wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:17 Big-t wrote:
Noooo, what have the social justice warriors done now?? What is happening lately? Has none been taught on how to solve problems like an adult? Why are we bringing drama more and more to social media? This has to stop...

Turns like that using your power against weaker workers is not solving problems like an adult, it means being a coward. It's really easy to act like a bully against people who cannot defend themselves in the fear of losing their job and then say "I'm sorry , all gone".
I'm really glad that all these people ,men and women, are voicing their abuses so we know how many bullies are in the esports and clean them all.


Ah, I didn't mean punching someone is an adult way of problem solving. I think it is very good that he lost his job for this behavior. What I meant was the way on how this happend. Involving his family and even kids (how old are they? If they are underaged this is beyond not OK) is too much imo. Pointing out that he did something wrong was the right move, but I think if the people who got him into nearly suicide and harassed his famaily get away with this, it would send the wrong message to further similar situations. However I have no suggestion on what to do...


From what I understand, noone harassed his family. It was his family that brought him to court for phisical abuses. This is what Banks reported at least.


Even so, it's hard to say if the family would want to be thrust in the public spotlight like this - they may just want to live their lives in peace and leave the past in the past. Hard to say what they want without actually knowing them or them telling us what they want.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
ploguidice
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States230 Posts
June 29 2020 17:48 GMT
#25
On June 30 2020 02:42 Kitai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 02:39 raff100 wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:32 Big-t wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:23 raff100 wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:17 Big-t wrote:
Noooo, what have the social justice warriors done now?? What is happening lately? Has none been taught on how to solve problems like an adult? Why are we bringing drama more and more to social media? This has to stop...

Turns like that using your power against weaker workers is not solving problems like an adult, it means being a coward. It's really easy to act like a bully against people who cannot defend themselves in the fear of losing their job and then say "I'm sorry , all gone".
I'm really glad that all these people ,men and women, are voicing their abuses so we know how many bullies are in the esports and clean them all.


Ah, I didn't mean punching someone is an adult way of problem solving. I think it is very good that he lost his job for this behavior. What I meant was the way on how this happend. Involving his family and even kids (how old are they? If they are underaged this is beyond not OK) is too much imo. Pointing out that he did something wrong was the right move, but I think if the people who got him into nearly suicide and harassed his famaily get away with this, it would send the wrong message to further similar situations. However I have no suggestion on what to do...


From what I understand, noone harassed his family. It was his family that brought him to court for phisical abuses. This is what Banks reported at least.


Even so, it's hard to say if the family would want to be thrust in the public spotlight like this - they may just want to live their lives in peace and leave the past in the past. Hard to say what they want without actually knowing them or them telling us what they want.


Are they being thrust into the public spotlight about this? Like yes the story of alleged abuse is being shared, but afaik no one is sharing their names, ages, whereabouts, or basically any information beyond their relationship to Redeye and the crime he committed against them.
I'm Joe
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
June 29 2020 18:18 GMT
#26
On June 30 2020 02:48 ploguidice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 02:42 Kitai wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:39 raff100 wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:32 Big-t wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:23 raff100 wrote:
On June 30 2020 02:17 Big-t wrote:
Noooo, what have the social justice warriors done now?? What is happening lately? Has none been taught on how to solve problems like an adult? Why are we bringing drama more and more to social media? This has to stop...

Turns like that using your power against weaker workers is not solving problems like an adult, it means being a coward. It's really easy to act like a bully against people who cannot defend themselves in the fear of losing their job and then say "I'm sorry , all gone".
I'm really glad that all these people ,men and women, are voicing their abuses so we know how many bullies are in the esports and clean them all.


Ah, I didn't mean punching someone is an adult way of problem solving. I think it is very good that he lost his job for this behavior. What I meant was the way on how this happend. Involving his family and even kids (how old are they? If they are underaged this is beyond not OK) is too much imo. Pointing out that he did something wrong was the right move, but I think if the people who got him into nearly suicide and harassed his famaily get away with this, it would send the wrong message to further similar situations. However I have no suggestion on what to do...


From what I understand, noone harassed his family. It was his family that brought him to court for phisical abuses. This is what Banks reported at least.


Even so, it's hard to say if the family would want to be thrust in the public spotlight like this - they may just want to live their lives in peace and leave the past in the past. Hard to say what they want without actually knowing them or them telling us what they want.


Are they being thrust into the public spotlight about this? Like yes the story of alleged abuse is being shared, but afaik no one is sharing their names, ages, whereabouts, or basically any information beyond their relationship to Redeye and the crime he committed against them.


Well, they probably know that thousands more people know about the case now, even if their personal info hasn't been floated.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
June 29 2020 18:26 GMT
#27
True or not, I don't think that bringing on the family cause was necessary from Banks. There are sure way more stories esports related that he could have used to prove his point.
Anyway, Redeye showed his violent personality and I feel bad for all the people who were abused at work because of the acceptance of such behaviors. People need to understand how hard is for someone who is not in the economical position or just too peaceful to fight back and give the bully a lesson. It's the coworkers who should have taken the part of the victims and fire the bully from the company.
DSh1
Profile Joined April 2017
292 Posts
June 29 2020 18:40 GMT
#28
On June 30 2020 02:22 Nakajin wrote:
I think we can all agree a twitter shitstorm is not the best way for this to have gone down, but considering it seems to have gone on for years without repercussion, maybe it was the only way.


Very much agree with that. Certainly, didn't seem very pretty, in the way that Bank's conducted the revelation. But then, if the accusations are true, then I also don't know how else it could be done. Leaves an uncomfortable feeling though the way it was done.


On June 30 2020 02:39 dbRic1203 wrote:
I think stepping down is probably the best thing he could do at this point to prevent further damage against himselfe, his family, the company and the community.

Respect for his level headed response and not dragging down other people in the mud with him.
desuduesdeus
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany18 Posts
June 29 2020 18:50 GMT
#29
I think this was handled exactly as cases like this should be handled. How can you agree that abuse of power-like behaviour should be stopped but feel bad when it's done via the victims speaking out about it? There's some kind of mental disconnect that I can't wrap my mind around. Feel free to help me understand if you will.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44192 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 18:56:31
June 29 2020 18:56 GMT
#30
Good. Physically assaulting and continuously harassing and belittling people should not be taken lightly, and we definitely shouldn't keep these people in our community.

There's more information about him and the people who have spoken out against him and corroborated the allegations in the appropriate harassment/abuse thread.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
474 Posts
June 29 2020 19:00 GMT
#31
On June 30 2020 03:50 desuduesdeus wrote:
I think this was handled exactly as cases like this should be handled. How can you agree that abuse of power-like behaviour should be stopped but feel bad when it's done via the victims speaking out about it? There's some kind of mental disconnect that I can't wrap my mind around. Feel free to help me understand if you will.

Veery good question.
Good point.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
June 29 2020 19:08 GMT
#32
Never understood fully why people were so enamored with the man, but that's irrelevant to what's happened here. Although concrete evidence may not exist, why suddenly retire if these allegations have no backing? Most people are able to work and not have allegations of assault made against them, so his reactions definitely make him seem guilty.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
June 29 2020 19:13 GMT
#33
Better now then never. If true then we are all better off now.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25035 Posts
June 29 2020 19:18 GMT
#34
On June 30 2020 04:08 sparklyresidue wrote:
Never understood fully why people were so enamored with the man, but that's irrelevant to what's happened here. Although concrete evidence may not exist, why suddenly retire if these allegations have no backing? Most people are able to work and not have allegations of assault made against them, so his reactions definitely make him seem guilty.

My best guess on the matter is that others in the industry covered for his behaviour, and now there’s cracks in the dam they/Redeye decided to avert a more wide-ranging and costly scandal.

Just my 2 cents.

If that or something like were not the case, Redeye could easily take a break from the scene, get anger management counselling or whatever, and presumably re-enter the scene at some later juncture.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
kramvti
Profile Joined July 2019
73 Posts
June 29 2020 19:19 GMT
#35
On June 30 2020 04:00 aringadingding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 03:50 desuduesdeus wrote:
I think this was handled exactly as cases like this should be handled. How can you agree that abuse of power-like behaviour should be stopped but feel bad when it's done via the victims speaking out about it? There's some kind of mental disconnect that I can't wrap my mind around. Feel free to help me understand if you will.

Veery good question.
Good point.


Things that happen at a place of business should be handled by the business, and an authorities needed to resolve it.
It sure as hell shouldn't be spewn everywhere where there is effectively no discourse to even be had. Twitter is a mob, they will not stop until whomever is brought down they want, rightly or wrongly.
Talking about court cases that have to do with family is just pathetic. It is none of any of your gd business what happens in his home life. none. zero. zilch. nada.
If the allegations turn out to hold water then, yes he needs to step away.

I know someone that punched a guy at work...does that mean he should be banished from life as well? Oh does it matter that the guy spewed shit in his face for 5 min before he finally lost his temper, or is belligerently instigating a fight, then getting one enough to shitcan the one that threw the punch?

I bring this up because the context of the alleged altercation is very sketchy, and not qualified in the least.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
June 29 2020 19:48 GMT
#36
Best of luck in his future, I don't know much about him and don't have the mental capacity to focus on all of this drama.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25035 Posts
June 29 2020 19:48 GMT
#37
On June 30 2020 04:19 kramvti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 04:00 aringadingding wrote:
On June 30 2020 03:50 desuduesdeus wrote:
I think this was handled exactly as cases like this should be handled. How can you agree that abuse of power-like behaviour should be stopped but feel bad when it's done via the victims speaking out about it? There's some kind of mental disconnect that I can't wrap my mind around. Feel free to help me understand if you will.

Veery good question.
Good point.


Things that happen at a place of business should be handled by the business, and an authorities needed to resolve it.
It sure as hell shouldn't be spewn everywhere where there is effectively no discourse to even be had. Twitter is a mob, they will not stop until whomever is brought down they want, rightly or wrongly.
Talking about court cases that have to do with family is just pathetic. It is none of any of your gd business what happens in his home life. none. zero. zilch. nada.
If the allegations turn out to hold water then, yes he needs to step away.

I know someone that punched a guy at work...does that mean he should be banished from life as well? Oh does it matter that the guy spewed shit in his face for 5 min before he finally lost his temper, or is belligerently instigating a fight, then getting one enough to shitcan the one that threw the punch?

I bring this up because the context of the alleged altercation is very sketchy, and not qualified in the least.

Who are the authorities who intervene in these particular scenarios?

eSports hasn’t quite hit the level of maturation that other industries have, you don’t have unions, human resource departments etc that internally can arbitrate in such disputes.

You only have to look at the other big accusations within the DoTA scene where managers etc were made aware of allegations and covered for the accused.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
June 29 2020 19:52 GMT
#38
On June 30 2020 01:40 freelifeffs wrote:
disgusting times we live in where keyboard social justice warriors are mass ruining peoples lives via twitter.


Amen to that man ! : / so fcking sadly true
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24193 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 20:33:48
June 29 2020 20:31 GMT
#39
On June 30 2020 04:52 ZergX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 01:40 freelifeffs wrote:
disgusting times we live in where keyboard social justice warriors are mass ruining peoples lives via twitter.


Amen to that man ! : / so fcking sadly true

I'm not sure this will quite be the popular opinion, but I agree so much. Just try to set things right without exposing it this way, go to courts, I don't know. Those twitter hanging courts disgust me.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 20:40:29
June 29 2020 20:39 GMT
#40
There's a thread on liquiddota compiling some of the most notable parts of this saga, if you want any to add to OP (
https://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/560825-redeye-steps-away-from-esports-amid-accusations )


The most important one is probably this, which is that the person he punched came forward publicly. Was apparently 3 punches, not something minor.


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