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On June 30 2020 04:19 kramvti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 04:00 aringadingding wrote:On June 30 2020 03:50 desuduesdeus wrote:
I think this was handled exactly as cases like this should be handled. How can you agree that abuse of power-like behaviour should be stopped but feel bad when it's done via the victims speaking out about it? There's some kind of mental disconnect that I can't wrap my mind around. Feel free to help me understand if you will.
Veery good question. Good point. Things that happen at a place of business should be handled by the business, and an authorities needed to resolve it. It sure as hell shouldn't be spewn everywhere where there is effectively no discourse to even be had. Twitter is a mob, they will not stop until whomever is brought down they want, rightly or wrongly. Talking about court cases that have to do with family is just pathetic. It is none of any of your gd business what happens in his home life. none. zero. zilch. nada. If the allegations turn out to hold water then, yes he needs to step away. I know someone that punched a guy at work...does that mean he should be banished from life as well? Oh does it matter that the guy spewed shit in his face for 5 min before he finally lost his temper, or is belligerently instigating a fight, then getting one enough to shitcan the one that threw the punch? I bring this up because the context of the alleged altercation is very sketchy, and not qualified in the least.
Punching someone is bad, but it's the years of power abuse that have (absolutely rightly) ended his career. Singular incidents won't ruin your career, but this was reportedly pathologic power abuse that according to multiple sources related to esports comes at no surprise.
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Did Redeye face battery charges from the 2015 incident?
edit: I mean I can't believe stuff like that not being reported to the authorities right away. This is not to say that I doubt the overall story portrayed here if there really are multiple people speaking out against Redeye.
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On June 30 2020 06:15 capu wrote:
Did Redeye face battery charges from the 2015 incident?
edit: I mean I can't believe stuff like that not being reported to the authorities right away. This is not to say that I doubt the overall story portrayed here if there really are multiple people speaking out against Redeye.
Red-eye himself acknowledged it as "the incident" at gfinity. He never used the words punch or assault, but he also never tried to deny it either which sticks out since he tried to deny or spin everything else.
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This is really a time of reckoning of the age-old question: how big of an asshole are you allowed to be to other people, especially if you're in a position of power? The answer used to be as big as you want to be as long as it doesn't get you sued, but that answer is changing.
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So in the current reality the guy at the SC2 IEM insulting him was right?
Dude... This year is going from bad to worse.
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On June 30 2020 01:40 freelifeffs wrote:
disgusting times we live in where keyboard social justice warriors are mass ruining peoples lives via twitter.
But... What if... He was mass ruining peoples lives in person?!!
Honestly, everyone in the industry apparently knew he was a fucking problem. People didn't even need to bring up his name, you just say there's a British guy who is problematic, and apparently the first person who comes to mind is Redeye. It's obvious to us all now that he's terrible. Just we (the public, the fans, etc.) never knew. That alone tells us that all the shit that's been done has gone effectively unpunished. The fact that he's trying to portray himself as a victim in this is mostly laughable now.
People saying shit like "SJWs ruining people's careers, cancelling shit right and left..."
You guys realize that tons of corrupt shit happens all the time in various industries, plenty in the video game industry, tech industry, just about any big business, and instead of it being resolved "professionally", it just gets covered up and swept under the rug? With all the recent reveals of people with abusive behavior, do you think all of those are false? Do you actually think any of that was ever addressed?? Do you think all of those people should be able to carry on with their jobs, regardless of the terrible things they've done, even within their job? Do you actually think your decisions shouldn't have consequences so long as long you have the power to limit any? Should CEOs be impervious to any consequences? Should rich people???
If anything, the cancel-culture movement has been the first time where consumers had ANY real influence over a business. There may be times where it's taken in a silly direction, but I'll be real. I'd so much rather have people who care about shit and actually create change than ones who are complacent with the shit going on.
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To be honest his twitter post reads like a guy trying to shift blame off himself.
The revelations of his abuse of power and general nastiness force him to resign from esports. He is acting like SJW or twitter has forced him but he has no one to blame but himself.
Classic attempt to muddy the waters.
He won't be missed
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Companies can choose to disassociate with people for being creepy/abusive even if they never technically broke a law and/or were never convicted. So it's more complicated than just he was never found legally guilty of anything.
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On June 30 2020 03:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Good. Physically assaulting and continuously harassing and belittling people should not be taken lightly, and we definitely shouldn't keep these people in our community.
There's more information about him and the people who have spoken out against him and corroborated the allegations in the appropriate harassment/abuse thread.
Here you are again. You realise he wasnt guilty right? Oh wait, that doesnt matter to people like you.
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I liked him as a caster and actually missed him in SC2. However considering his actions, I'm now glad he's leaving esports. Just because he's not a convicted criminal doesn't mean he should still be around the scene.
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If there's proof, I won't shed a tear. If the accusations are false, people should be ashamed.
Redeye was great during the initial years of WCS. But if he really did those things...well, fuck.
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The only real thing we know about this is that several people have spoken up that Redeye is an asshole to work with. And he's admitted this himself as a flaw. But there's also a lot of people who hes helped in their work and who did have good experience with him.
There's the punching thing of which we know zero details on how, what, or why.
There's a closed court case of which we know zero details except some anonymous internet post claiming he hit his wife. He was also found not guilty in the case....
And there is a work dispute where James Banks got demoted from caster to interviewer by Redeye and he developed mental health issues from this. Banks claims Redeye made an effort to 'destroy his career' but I've yet to see any proof for that.
I really don't like how 'public opinion' has now decided Redeye is a horrible person.
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The person who got punched has gone public. Gfinity event in 2015, he was punched 3 times.
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On June 30 2020 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The only real thing we know about this is that several people have spoken up that Redeye is an asshole to work with. And he's admitted this himself as a flaw. But there's also a lot of people who hes helped in their work and who did have good experience with him.
There's the punching thing of which we know zero details on how, what, or why.
There's a closed court case of which we know zero details except some anonymous internet post claiming he hit his wife. He was also found not guilty in the case....
And there is a work dispute where James Banks got demoted from caster to interviewer by Redeye and he developed mental health issues from this. Banks claims Redeye made an effort to 'destroy his career' but I've yet to see any proof for that.
I really don't like how 'public opinion' has now decided Redeye is a horrible person.
Bullying and threatening to end one's career isn't just "being an asshole to work with". That's a serious issue which can fundamentally mess with people's lives.
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Huh, I guess 'punched into retirement' isn't so much a meme as I had thought.
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On June 30 2020 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The only real thing we know about this is that several people have spoken up that Redeye is an asshole to work with. And he's admitted this himself as a flaw. But there's also a lot of people who hes helped in their work and who did have good experience with him.
There's the punching thing of which we know zero details on how, what, or why.
There's a closed court case of which we know zero details except some anonymous internet post claiming he hit his wife. He was also found not guilty in the case....
And there is a work dispute where James Banks got demoted from caster to interviewer by Redeye and he developed mental health issues from this. Banks claims Redeye made an effort to 'destroy his career' but I've yet to see any proof for that.
I really don't like how 'public opinion' has now decided Redeye is a horrible person.
So :
1. His wife accuses him of shameful physical abuses.
2. His coworker accuses him of physical abuse in workplace, with probably a lot of witnesses of the event
3. Banks accuses him of various illegal actions like blackmailing and abuse of power, with more stuff from different witnesses to be unleashed
4. Pyrion , one of the chillest dota2 guys who has never been evolved in anything, says that he knew that all this shitstorm was coming because of the stories he heard and watched in first person
For me is enough to define him as a bully, abusive with the weak and coward with the strong.
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On June 30 2020 08:05 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The only real thing we know about this is that several people have spoken up that Redeye is an asshole to work with. And he's admitted this himself as a flaw. But there's also a lot of people who hes helped in their work and who did have good experience with him.
There's the punching thing of which we know zero details on how, what, or why.
There's a closed court case of which we know zero details except some anonymous internet post claiming he hit his wife. He was also found not guilty in the case....
And there is a work dispute where James Banks got demoted from caster to interviewer by Redeye and he developed mental health issues from this. Banks claims Redeye made an effort to 'destroy his career' but I've yet to see any proof for that.
I really don't like how 'public opinion' has now decided Redeye is a horrible person. So : 1. His wife accuses him of shameful physical abuses. 2. His coworker accuses him of physical abuse in workplace, with probably a lot of witnesses of the event 3. Banks accuses him of various illegal actions like blackmailing and abuse of power, with more stuff from different witnesses to be unleashed 4. Pyrion , one of the chillest dota2 guys who has never been evolved in anything, says that he knew that all this shitstorm was coming because of the stories he heard and watched in first person For me is enough to define him as a bully, abusive with the weak and coward with the strong.
You're probably right. Still the court case really hasn't to do anything with his behaviour in esports which seems to have been rightout unacceptable for years.
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I'm not going to miss Redeye. But you know who I will miss a whole lot? The person I thought Redeye was. The person everybody who didn't work in the industry thought Redeye was. Ironically, he was known for bringing an air of class to large events. His ability to command a stage or an analysis desk was both formal and entertaining in times when both were needed - now we know what that command actually involved.
Good riddance to Paul, and may he find a way to reintegrate himself into offline society in a non-violent manner where he is incapable of abusing others. But goodbye to the fictional character known as Redeye, who did right by the fans and made esports moments absolute classics.
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While I can't know what really happened, I have to say that it's really strange to me that he would just walk away from a 18 year long career so easily if he's innocent and hasn't done anything wrong. As far as I'm concerned he didn't really even attempt to defend himself. This is obviously purely speculation as I don't know what has happened behind the scenes, but him quitting so easily strengthens my belief that he has actually done at least some of the things he has been accused of. If he's done way more than what's now been said and wants to keep it hidden to avoid possible legal trouble etc. the "smart" thing to do would just be to put out a statement like he did and walk away.
Now, the thing to look out for is whether or not people start outing more cases of his abuse. If there's complete silence after this I'd wager that there probably were some "incidents" but it was primarily an angry social media mob that drove him away. If people start coming out saying that "yeah he has abused me too" it will make for a stronger case that the allegations were true.
I don't believe that he should necessarily be driven out of esports over this, but in order to stay he should make a sincere apology and vow to better himself in the future. After that any comments or actions out of line and I think then it's justified to say that he should go.
But then again I'm just a dude on a forum what do I know, just my opinion.
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On June 30 2020 08:05 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The only real thing we know about this is that several people have spoken up that Redeye is an asshole to work with. And he's admitted this himself as a flaw. But there's also a lot of people who hes helped in their work and who did have good experience with him.
There's the punching thing of which we know zero details on how, what, or why.
There's a closed court case of which we know zero details except some anonymous internet post claiming he hit his wife. He was also found not guilty in the case....
And there is a work dispute where James Banks got demoted from caster to interviewer by Redeye and he developed mental health issues from this. Banks claims Redeye made an effort to 'destroy his career' but I've yet to see any proof for that.
I really don't like how 'public opinion' has now decided Redeye is a horrible person. So : 1. His wife accuses him of shameful physical abuses. 2. His coworker accuses him of physical abuse in workplace, with probably a lot of witnesses of the event 3. Banks accuses him of various illegal actions like blackmailing and abuse of power, with more stuff from different witnesses to be unleashed 4. Pyrion , one of the chillest dota2 guys who has never been evolved in anything, says that he knew that all this shitstorm was coming because of the stories he heard and watched in first person For me is enough to define him as a bully, abusive with the weak and coward with the strong.
Did his wife actually speak out? Afaik there's only there's only the anonymous reddit post about a court case
I only now read that the 'punched guy' spoke up few hours ago and yeah this is not a good look for Redeye at all, agreed. We still don't know circumstances though.
The 'blackmailing' stuff (which was 'if you say something bad, I'll say something bad too') was between Banks and this Luke Cotton who seem to have some history, not Redeye. I don't really know what this is, I read that conversation and it's just weird from both sides.
What actual abuse of power is he accused of? Banks claimed he stopped journalists from publishing his story but I don't see how Redeye would have power over journalists. It's more that Banks is not a good writer and his story had some unverifiable claims.
Pyrion said Redeye has been very rude to people and I believe that. It's sad but not enough to remove someone from the scene like this.
I just feel like we really dont know much but a verdict has been made already. I don't like it in that sense.
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