EPTSC2 teams react to War Chest Team League - Page 2
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elluel
62 Posts
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ilax30
720 Posts
On June 17 2020 09:01 elluel wrote: who are those teams? basically no name teams trying to start something lol. Good on TL for not signing this garbage. Yeah shit on Alpha X and the other teams that pay for trips of players which will be playing GSL next season and helping the scene in general. They also provice content in terms of showmatches and some teams organise tournaments themselves in which anyone can play. There are loads of teams in sc2 with great rosters as well. They make some valid points | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On June 17 2020 06:44 ivancype wrote: I dont think SC2 should have teams. To little money from sponsors to be divided between the different teams and the money should go as directly as possible to players, similar to tennis. If you get real good, you get money from sponsors "directly" plus prize money. You know pretty much every single top sc2 player is on a team right? | ||
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dalecooper
56 Posts
The guy has been trying to teach and judge AfreecaTV for putting her own money in SC. I think that's pretty sad. And looks like he is missing something very important. Money from Warchest - is our money, right? He doesn't do anything as like as Rotti or ZG. They don't want to see the better scene. They want only money from it. The rich get richer. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
I would have love to have seen a team tournament too. I do feel having real team that are frequently a bit imbalance can create some amazing moments and players are usualy more willing to prepare special builds and surprising upset given a good format. (BJ destruction league is kind of a good exemple of the downside of those event) But in any case, it should be a great event and I'm gonna tune in for sure! | ||
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dalecooper
56 Posts
On June 17 2020 10:33 Nakajin wrote: Dunno if I'd call a Sc2 community caster "rich", but I would have love to have seen a team tournament too. I do feel having real team that are frequently a bit imbalance can create some amazing moments and players are usualy more willing to prepare special builds and surprising upset given a good format. (BJ destruction league is kind of a good exemple of the downside of those event) But in any case, it should be a great event and I'm gonna tune in for sure! Not only casters but the same number of players (including TL players). And GST Championship is the best example what we need. | ||
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
On June 17 2020 04:40 Waxangel wrote: I'm of the opinion that incorporating 'real' teams into a Team League effort would be much more beneficial than what is being proposed now. Perhaps none of these teams (except a handful of Chinese teams) are paying players at the old KeSPA level, but they're still providing stability by giving players some non-zero amount of support. I imagine teams would be fine having a tournament where the player prize cut is 100%, just because it would be nice to have a competition that justifies the existence of the team. Seems a bit elitist to say 'real' teams should be involved. Any team that achieves the qualification standard for an online team league should be allowed to participate. Regardless of whether or not they pay their players a salary. A community is built from the bottom up, not the top down. As for your comment on teams allowing players have a 100% prize cut. I genuinely can't imagine any professional organization that would allow this. Look at how often Dota and CSGO players jump between teams, with one of the primary reasons being that 'real' teams are eating into their tournament winnings. Liquid used to have a TI contender team that shed the TL banner to make their own player org. You don't need a manager who takes X% of your winnings to buy plane tickets. I would be much more convinced that amateur orgs allow their players to have a 100% prize cut. Amateur orgs don't have to pay for managers, advertisers, and company CEOs. Last year even I was part of Alpha X. I didn't sign any contract I just asked to join and happened to have the minimum MMR cutoff. If I was good enough to compete in something like this there is no way they would be taking a cut from me. You would know better than me here, but I would be surprised if any team in Starcraft is paying at the old KeSPA level. Regardless of if they're a 'real' team or not. | ||
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dalecooper
56 Posts
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
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Htime
58 Posts
Blizzard creates, say, three War Chests with similar content, but one supports Caster-driven draft team league (current proposal), another supports an ESL style qualifier-based team tourney (that would be agreeable to existing teams), and the third option would be to support the existing 1v1 structure (ESL, GSL, IEM, ROG, etc). Then users can fund the event-style they want and creates a few cash streams that would give each type of event a reasonable support base. Since the interests of various groups are in different formats, rather than put it all in one place, you can put on three pretty good tourneys with ~50K each and then pull in all of the extra interest from each of those different support groups. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
Without professional teams, the pro players have one less source of revenue. It's a no brainer to spend the 150K towards real pro teams. Putting 150K into SC2 is great, but this is a poorly thought out decision by Blizzard's esports division. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
 Even if that means, we don t see Showtime, Gabe, Serral, Neeb, ... | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On June 17 2020 12:58 xelnaga_empire wrote: Why isn't Blizzard spending the 150K towards real professional teams? The professional teams help to provide funding for the pro players. Without professional teams, the pro players have one less source of revenue. It's a no brainer to spend the 150K towards real pro teams. Putting 150K into SC2 is great, but this is a poorly thought out decision by Blizzard's esports division. why would they prop up random teams with warchest money? blizzard has never even sponsored a team. now you want them to decide which team gets how much, which teams are eligible etc? I think its cool they are doing a one off event for 10th anniversary. the players will represent their teams like they always do, the event just has a twist a bit like gsl vs the world team match. Never read anyone complain about that match. Seems to me like the team owners are just frustrated with the general situation, but I dont see why you would drag this tourney into this instead of complaining at ie the community summit etc. | ||
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On June 17 2020 12:58 xelnaga_empire wrote: Why isn't Blizzard spending the 150K towards real professional teams? The professional teams help to provide funding for the pro players. Without professional teams, the pro players have one less source of revenue. It's a no brainer to spend the 150K towards real pro teams. Putting 150K into SC2 is great, but this is a poorly thought out decision by Blizzard's esports division. Well the GTC is directly funded by Blizzard. | ||
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rayl991
Afghanistan80 Posts
On June 17 2020 10:25 dalecooper wrote: https://twitter.com/Wardixo/status/1273000012818067457 The guy has been trying to teach and judge AfreecaTV for putting her own money in SC. I think that's pretty sad. And looks like he is missing something very important. Money from Warchest - is our money, right? He doesn't do anything as like as Rotti or ZG. https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/1273000950144405507 https://twitter.com/ZGGaming/status/1273001066251108352 They don't want to see the better scene. They want only money from it. The rich get richer. imagine calling SC2 casters rich. If money is what they want, they would have move on to other more popular games. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
I know that AS teams, they'd like a proper team league where they can get more of the spot light, but... come on. This isn't 2011. I don't even know more than 1-2 of those teams. Admittedly, I've become a filthy casual, but I USED to be pretty big on SC2, and I have to imagine that a lot of people are in my shoes as well. How many people are going to tune in to watch a team league with teams they don't even know? On the other hand, most people do remember their favorite casters, and I'd DEFINITELY tune in to see a caster coached team pick tournament. Idk, seems like the people complaining here are a little too close to the action to have much perspective on this. Kudos to Blizzard and Wardi for organizing something interesting and fun. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
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loft
United States344 Posts
These guys are only upset because the title "Team League" is misleading and they prob thought they were going to be involved since they are "teams". | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
On June 17 2020 09:49 ilax30 wrote: You know pretty much every single top sc2 player is on a team right? So? players should get the money teams get. I dont think SC2 is so small that individuals cant negotiate with sponsors themselves, but maybe it is. I dont know how Neeb got his deal with Ting, or Reynor with Red Bull. So instead of all these clans complaining they could get together with players and form a big organization that would help players find sponsors, instead of these responsibility be divided with many teams. But I actually like team leagues, i enjoyed watch Proleague and TeamStory Cup. Team leagues add entertainment to SC2, We can watch a tournament because we like the game, a player and also a team. I thought about WCS being a team league, similar to Formula 1, with GSL, DH and ESLs as the circuit stops. BlizzCon could be a tournament with the players with most wins in the circuit. | ||
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