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On June 17 2020 10:25 dalecooper wrote:
The guy has been trying to teach and judge AfreecaTV for putting her own money in SC. I think that's pretty sad.
And looks like he is missing something very important. Money from Warchest - is our money, right? He doesn't do anything as like as Rotti or ZG.
They don't want to see the better scene. They want only money from it.
The rich get richer.
Are you real? SC casters are rich? Wardi doesn't do anything? People who have been in this scene for years, putting hours and hours into it don't want to better their scene? Attacking Rotterdam, a person who just oozes good intentions and passion for the scene, and Wardi, who literally pours thousands of dollars into the scene and deals with bullshit behind-the-scenes stuff all the time?
I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to attack people directly on TL but lord almighty.
Just ???
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On June 17 2020 19:35 ZombieGrub wrote:Are you real? SC casters are rich? Wardi doesn't do anything? People who have been in this scene for years, putting hours and hours into it don't want to better their scene? Attacking Rotterdam, a person who just oozes good intentions and passion for the scene, and Wardi, who literally pours thousands of dollars into the scene and deals with bullshit behind-the-scenes stuff all the time? I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to attack people directly on TL but lord almighty. Just ???
100% agree. I don't know why people can't debate this without attacking people.
I think it's healthy to debate things like this. It shows that people genuinely care about the scene. So whilst it's not helpful to act entitled about SC2 pro teams, I also think it's not helpful to shut down a debate by labelling it as 'drama' or people not being grateful for what they get.
Mostly it's people that care a lot about the scene putting forward their opinion on what is best for the scene. So I really don't understand what Wardi is moaning about tbh.
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On June 17 2020 17:27 loft wrote:
If it was called the War Chest All-Star Tournament or something, then I don't think anyone would be complaining...
These guys are only upset because the title "Team League" is misleading and they prob thought they were going to be involved since they are "teams".
Seeing all of this is quite sad, people debating over things that are fact and attacking the hard-working casters.
Maybe like said, it's just the matter of title, but seeing how big a response it is from those team owners, blizzard need to do something.
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On June 17 2020 19:35 ZombieGrub wrote:Are you real? SC casters are rich? Wardi doesn't do anything? People who have been in this scene for years, putting hours and hours into it don't want to better their scene? Attacking Rotterdam, a person who just oozes good intentions and passion for the scene, and Wardi, who literally pours thousands of dollars into the scene and deals with bullshit behind-the-scenes stuff all the time? I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to attack people directly on TL but lord almighty. Just ???
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" is an aphorism. If you don't know. I said it because i want to point out that we have the same people in everywhere. It would be nice to give a money to teams and young players. Not you. You have your cut. And i'm not attacking my precious man Rotterdam. Wardi pours money from subs and donations. He doesn't have a job. He is not working as an engineer/doctor/astronaut/teacher etc. The real passion is when a person does something for free. He has a job and supports the scene. Gives money just like that. Making content for free. And don't even asking you about anything.
You should get out of the room. Get education. That how world is works. Passion will not save you.
Peace.
User was temp banned for this post.
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I think the War Chest Team event is nice, but I also understand "real" teams point of view.
Maybe we can enjoy this War Chest Team league event for now and hope for Blizzard to use future War Chests money in some kind of proleague with real teams?
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On June 17 2020 20:28 dalecooper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2020 19:35 ZombieGrub wrote:Are you real? SC casters are rich? Wardi doesn't do anything? People who have been in this scene for years, putting hours and hours into it don't want to better their scene? Attacking Rotterdam, a person who just oozes good intentions and passion for the scene, and Wardi, who literally pours thousands of dollars into the scene and deals with bullshit behind-the-scenes stuff all the time? I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to attack people directly on TL but lord almighty. Just ??? "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" is an aphorism. If you don't know. I said it because i want to point out that we have the same people in everywhere. It would be nice to give a money to teams and young players. Not you. You have your cut. And i'm not attacking my precious man Rotterdam. Wardi pours money from subs and donations. He doesn't have a job. He is not working as an engineer/doctor/astronaut/teacher etc. The real passion is when a person does something for free. He has a job and supports the scene. Gives money just like that. Making content for free. And don't even asking you about anything. You should get out of the room. Get education. That how world is works. Passion will not save you. Peace.
Agreed. Wardi doesn't do enough. He should sell his organs and donate the proceeds to the teams to show his passion.
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Canada8991 Posts
On June 17 2020 14:41 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2020 12:58 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Why isn't Blizzard spending the 150K towards real professional teams? The professional teams help to provide funding for the pro players.
Without professional teams, the pro players have one less source of revenue. It's a no brainer to spend the 150K towards real pro teams. Putting 150K into SC2 is great, but this is a poorly thought out decision by Blizzard's esports division. Well the GTC is directly funded by Blizzard.
Oh, it is? I thought it was autonomous.
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Do we know who the casters would be that choose the teams?
I also assume that the coaches will be casting their own teams games. That should make for some amazing casts.
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On June 17 2020 21:03 Mverdo wrote:
Do we know who the casters would be that choose the teams?
I also assume that the coaches will be casting their own teams games. That should make for some amazing casts.
We can let the coaches of the two teams cast together, that'll be epic, but blizzard really need to get all this mess sorted first
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On June 17 2020 20:53 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2020 14:41 digmouse wrote:On June 17 2020 12:58 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Why isn't Blizzard spending the 150K towards real professional teams? The professional teams help to provide funding for the pro players.
Without professional teams, the pro players have one less source of revenue. It's a no brainer to spend the 150K towards real pro teams. Putting 150K into SC2 is great, but this is a poorly thought out decision by Blizzard's esports division. Well the GTC is directly funded by Blizzard. Oh, it is? I thought it was autonomous.
It used to be funded by scboy and all the sponsers scboy found, starting this year it is sponsered by netease blizzard, that's why it's now GTC not CTC, don't know how big a portion blizzard take part in that.
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And god, that dalecooper guy should be banned from internet, sure he'll be doing same stuff on other websites and social medias.
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On June 17 2020 20:42 Serimek wrote:
I think the War Chest Team event is nice, but I also understand "real" teams point of view.
Maybe we can enjoy this War Chest Team league event for now and hope for Blizzard to use future War Chests money in some kind of proleague with real teams?
I can get behind this. This event is a great idea. Viewers will enjoy it for sure but the teams really do need more support as well. They are essential to the SC 2 pro scene.
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Blizzard has a small attempt at getting back in tournament organizing and immediately all hell breaks lose. I'll see this as confirmation that leaving tournament organizing to ESL, Afreeca, and NetEase is a brilliant idea 
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I think let the first iteration of this event happen first and see how it goes. This event may be to just put out feelers - at this point we don't know if it's a one off or if it's a longer term repeat event.
Maybe it was just a case of making logistics easier for this run through. Getting your team included requires you register, which teams qualify, how many players on a roster etc.
There's going to be 36 players (9 commentators x 4 players each) and i'm not sure I will recognize all the names as it is.
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I'm very much against the idea of the warchest teamleague, but I'm also very uncomfortable with voicing my opinion, since there is a small group of very vocal trolls which use it as an opportunity to attack individuals in a very disgusting way.
I'll try to keep is short and sober. I'm very concerned about three things:
1. That it is a team league which ignores the existing teams in Starcraft 2 (see op).
2. That casters will lead the teams, not players.
3. How the casters leading the teams will be chosen.
Normally, those three points wouldn't bother me too much. But since the warchest is exclusively funding this event, I consider it a successor of the past Blizzcons and IEM Katowices, so I am a bit more critical with it.
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On June 18 2020 00:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Normally, those three points wouldn't bother me too much. But since the warchest is exclusively funding this event, I consider it a successor of the past Blizzcons and IEM Katowices, so I am a bit more critical with it.
I think just because it's funded by Warchest money you shouldn't compare it to Blizzcon or Katowice. Those are the world championships (well Blizzcon used to be). This is more like GSL vs The World - fun extra content largely based on popularity. And probably a one-of for the 10 year anniversary.
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Anyone know the player pool the casters will be picking from? I heard Rotti say on his stream he doesn't know if Korean players will be included.
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On June 18 2020 00:57 mikedupp wrote:
Anyone know the player pool the casters will be picking from? I heard Rotti say on his stream he doesn't know if Korean players will be included.
Wardi said they were looking at the top 40-ish players in the world, that's the only thing I heard.
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Why does everyone keep saying its a one off event / possibility?
As far as i know Warchest is coming back every year. This means having a continuous team league could be provided constantly by warchest money.
An other thing is Blizzard gonna use the warchest money for the 10th anniversary event? In this case this wouldnt be an "extra" for the anniversary, just warchest money spent differently which would be a disappointment.
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China6332 Posts
On June 17 2020 20:53 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2020 14:41 digmouse wrote:On June 17 2020 12:58 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Why isn't Blizzard spending the 150K towards real professional teams? The professional teams help to provide funding for the pro players.
Without professional teams, the pro players have one less source of revenue. It's a no brainer to spend the 150K towards real pro teams. Putting 150K into SC2 is great, but this is a poorly thought out decision by Blizzard's esports division. Well the GTC is directly funded by Blizzard. Oh, it is? I thought it was autonomous.
It's basically the reason Twitch coverage was stopped on week 7 abruptly.
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