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SC2 teams react to War Chest Team League

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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-16 19:32:14
June 16 2020 19:28 GMT
#1
Together with the latest patch and the new ladder season, Blizzard has announced and quickly released the sixth edition of the War Chest, once again offering a variety of skins and in-game items, with the earned money being used to support the StarCraft 2 scene.



Our goal for War Chest 6 is to make War Chest Team League a success. To that end, we’re committing the first USD $150,000 of the proceeds (less taxes) to prizing and tournament operations for the event. We’ll have full details about the tournament in another upcoming post, but in short, we’re selecting 9 prominent StarCraft II commentators to draft teams of four players each, who will then duke it out in an action-packed clan wars-style format, with tons of opportunities for everyone to shine.

Stay tuned for a complete rundown soon. (Source)


Organizing a team event without involving any of the established teams still active in StarCraft 2 has, however, proven to be a point of contention in what they see as long-term negligence and lack of support for them by Blizzard. Since the announcement, several team owners have come out and released an open letter together, denouncing their exclusion from the event and proposing changes to the league, which would give established teams more spotlight, amongst many other suggestions to support the teams in the scene.



On June 11th, Blizzard, in collaboration with WardiTV, announced a brand new War Chest Team League, which would be the first StarCraft II team league directly supported by the main publisher since GSTL (ANZ Proleague and GTC have been sponsored by other Blizzard branches).

There is no denying that bringing back a team-based tournament is great news overall, as the scene could really benefit from having more highly funded team events. That being said, on behalf of existing SC2 teams, we would like to raise our concerns with how this is being implemented.

Seeing a team league with $150,000 behind it (operations + prize pooling) that excludes current professional teams is disappointing from the perspective of us team owners. While we do understand that this is supposed to be a fun community event, this format disregards current teams that would really benefit from this sort of event. Blizzard could do more to support the SC2 teams, and unfortunately the War Chest Team League is a big missed opportunity for them to do so.

Teams play an integral role in the development of SC2 players, and we would like Blizzard to provide more support for the teams that help the very players who make up the professional scene.

The role of professional teams in StarCraft II

For more than 20 years of its esports history, StarCraft has mainly been an individual discipline. Given the lack of regular major team events, the contribution of professional teams to the development of the SC2 competitive scene seems less obvious and noticeable to the general public, but is no less important. A regular SC2 viewer might not pay any attention to a particular player’s clan tag, but every viewer is interested in seeing fresh blood compete at the highest levels of the SC2 scene.

Professional teams play a great role in that process: they scout young talent, provide them with financial support, and give them opportunities to travel to and participate in major tournaments. Without this support, up-and-coming players find it much more difficult to develop into players who are able to challenge the professional scene’s elite players. Teams provided younger players like Astrea, Clem, Future, Reynor, SKillous, and Vanya support in order to help them succeed.

While Blizzard has already done a great job of growing the competitive scene with the WCS system and passing the torch onto ESL with the ESL Pro Tour, the majority of players only get a chance to travel to and participate in these major tournaments because of their teams’ financial support. That support provided by teams is often not a profitable business, so support from the developer is necessary to offset these costs and help keep the scene in a healthy place.

War Chest Team League format: its pros and cons

According to the official announcement, the format of this team league event will include 9 casters drafting teams with 4 players each, for a total of 36 players. As you can see, this format excludes existing professional teams. This team league format reduces our motivation to keep our teams running, as representation from players is a major part of running our teams in the first place. Moreover, it may make actual teams less appealing to existing and prospective sponsors.

There are certainly positive sides of such a format for this tournament: a deeper involvement of casters in the team format makes it easier to raise $150k from the sale of War Chests. It also allows to introduce a very likeable format of team competitions to the wider audience. Still, we are wondering if there is another way to get casters involved along with providing more support for existing professional teams.

Proposed changes to War Chest Team League format

We urge Blizzard to review the current format of the War Chest Team League and allow professional teams to participate in it. To do so, we would like to propose the following changes:

  • Run an open qualification process with any team allowed to participate as long as they meet a certain criteria (ex: teams must have full GM rosters).

  • Divide the teams into several divisions (based on overall EPT points) and run several seasons throughout the entire year. This will provide stable team competition throughout the year and give teams stronger reason to continue operating and to bolster their rosters. Between seasons, run new qualifiers to give new teams opportunities to participate and prevent existing teams from remaining complacent.

  • Another way of getting casters involved: after the qualifications are over, casters can choose a team they want to work with, then they can work together to produce content. Otherwise, Blizzard can host another “all-star” event with the caster/player teams.

We are very happy that Blizzard has once again turned their attention to team competitions and are ready to make every effort to produce a great show out of it. Anyway, in order to achieve that, #LetTeamsPlay in StarCraft II. Please, #LetTeamsPlay in your league!

Further Suggestions to acknowledge and support teams

Along with our proposed changes to the War Chest Team League above, we would also like to bring your attention to Blizzard’s lack of support for teams in general. To address this concern, we would like to propose the following changes.

  • Provide professional teams with monetization options as long as they meet certain criteria. These monetization options being in the form of selling in-game items. For example, allowing teams to upload graphics such as logo designs, player pictures or other assets to function as in-game portraits or sprays that would be sold. Perhaps also team themed consoles. There is a precedent for this, with Blizzard commissioning player portraits for players who have qualified for BlizzCon as well as flag portraits for Nation Wars.

  • Create an official teams’ standing based on player performances and results so that teams would have more visibility and relevance. Perhaps also reward top performing teams at the end of year with a competition or modest prize money. OSC has run this before in the past - OSC Team Championship 2018 .

  • Establish a direct line of communication between teams and Blizzard (i.e. a private Discord server with Blizzard and team owners/managers).

Thank you very much.

PSISTORM Gaming
Alpha X
Raise Your Edge Gaming
Cascade
3D Clan
Black Night
Archangel Team eXoN
b100 esports
Reason Gaming
Starcom
Kosmos Esports

Appendix
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/h7ex42/thoughts_on_new_warchest_and_team_league
2. https://www.scboy.com/?thread-121861.htm (Statements by SCBoy‘s Xiaose expressing his disapproval and threatening the boycott by Chinese teams and their players. Translation below) New statement included below.
3. PSISTORM Gaming Tweet
4. 3D!Clan Tweet
5. Archangel Gaming Tweet


The letter has been signed by (Wiki)PSISTORM Gaming, (Wiki)Alpha X, (Wiki)Raise Your Edge Gaming, (Wiki)Cascade, (Wiki)3D Clan, (Wiki)Black Night, (Wiki)Archangel, (Wiki)Team eXoN, (Wiki)b100 esports, (Wiki)Reason Gaming, and (Wiki)Starcom, with other teams such as (Wiki)Kosmos Esports supporting it since it was released.

SCBoy, organizers of the Gold Series Team League, also weighed in on the situation.

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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1773 Posts
June 16 2020 19:27 GMT
#2
Team Liquid notably didnt sign it. I kind of selfishly just want to see the 36 best players and I think the draft format is pretty cool. That's me though.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-16 19:41:20
June 16 2020 19:34 GMT
#3
Personally, I'd prefer a 'real' team league, with real teams, not some lame draft where random players end up with each other. Just doesn't have the same vibe and character to it. If the field isn't as competitive then, so be it. CTC/GTC turned out to be a blast even with this issue.

That said, the main issue the teams want to advertise is the lack of opportunities for them compared to what they do for the scene, independently of this event specifically, and I really can't blame them for it. This just feels like a big missed chance (150k more in the scene is definitely a positive, ofc).
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33425 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-16 19:41:51
June 16 2020 19:40 GMT
#4
On June 17 2020 04:27 ssg wrote:
Team Liquid notably didnt sign it. I kind of selfishly just want to see the 36 best players and I think the draft format is pretty cool. That's me though.


Obviously, having any new War Chest money entering competitive SC2 is a good thing. And I don't expect the average fan to have some deep interest in the health of the SC2 team ecosystem.

Still, when you're handing out $150,000 in prize money and are representing the super-official Blizzard name, you have an obligation and responsibility to try and use the money in the most beneficial way possible. To make an extreme example, a $150,000 showmatch between Maru and Serral would be hype as fuck, but people would rightfully complain about whether or not it was money well spent.

I'm of the opinion that incorporating 'real' teams into a Team League effort would be much more beneficial than what is being proposed now. Perhaps none of these teams (except a handful of Chinese teams) are paying players at the old KeSPA level, but they're still providing stability by giving players some non-zero amount of support. I imagine teams would be fine having a tournament where the player prize cut is 100%, just because it would be nice to have a competition that justifies the existence of the team.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-16 19:45:19
June 16 2020 19:43 GMT
#5
On June 17 2020 04:34 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Personally, I'd prefer a 'real' team league, with real teams, not some lame draft where random players end up with each other. Just doesn't have the same vibe and character to it. If the field isn't as competitive then, so be it. CTC/GTC turned out to be a blast even with this issue.

That said, the main issue the teams want to advertise is the lack of opportunities for them compared to what they do for the scene, independently of this event specifically, and I really can't blame them for it.


This is certainly much more similar to BJ Destruction Match as opposed to GTC.

The obvious upside of building fake teams for this event is that you end up with much more even teams and avoid notable omissions like Serral not being there. Which would make a large different in viewership.

There's a certain catch-22 to all this where teams don't get the opportunities they need, which likewise makes providing opportunities for teams harder. Traditional team leagues have frequently had problem with no-shows and scheduling and just overall lower viewership than individual events. So a one-off 'team-like' event like this feels safer in a way.
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
June 16 2020 19:52 GMT
#6
That sounds.. not that well thought out with regards to how it would look. Hm.

More Starcraft is always bad but super active teams lie Psistorm and AlphaX among others justfly feel left out.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-16 19:57:45
June 16 2020 19:57 GMT
#7
Well I'll just assume SCBoy is right and this is actually a show event for the 10 year anniversary of SC2. Beyond that, the only thing I'm judging from Blizzard for now is the fact we got an announcement of an announcement instead of an actual announcement.
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pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States277 Posts
June 16 2020 20:05 GMT
#8
If it is a just showmatch, I would like to support it. But of course, I would rather love to see a "real" team league like old Kespa and current CTC/GTC.


Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-16 20:42:57
June 16 2020 20:42 GMT
#9
I want a 150 grand showmatch between Maru and PartinG
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33425 Posts
June 16 2020 21:25 GMT
#10
On June 17 2020 05:42 Ej_ wrote:
I want a 150 grand showmatch between Maru and PartinG


fans like you are killing StarCraft >:0
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1450 Posts
June 16 2020 21:26 GMT
#11
Wow, finally! Hopefully ence, mouz, big, ago and others will expand and participate!
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
June 16 2020 21:40 GMT
#12
On June 17 2020 05:42 Ej_ wrote:
I want a 150 grand showmatch between Maru and PartinG


Zest vs Impact thanks. The greatest rivalry of LotV.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
June 16 2020 21:40 GMT
#13
It would be great to let the actual teams to take a part, SC2 scene needs a team league and there is a chance to make it right!

Make a league for 10-12-14 teams

Get porportionally small amount of invites (2-3-4)

The rest spots are decided via x amount of qualis (1 to 4)

Make round robin format so each team plays each

Matches are BO4 or BO6, this way you can avoid Serral factor

In BO4 there are 3 1v1 and single 2v2, in BO6 there are 5 1v1 and single 2v2

Victory matters first, amoint of points scored follows, so a victory with 4:0 score is much better than 3:1. For a win you get 3 points, for a draw 1 point.

Top 4 of the season goes to final stage, which has all-kill format (Serral factor wokrs again), with season winner getting spot in a grand-finale, second place of the season is seeded to semi-finale, and 3 vs 4 place clashing in quaters.

And fair money distribution across the board :O

Just a proposal
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ivancype
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil485 Posts
June 16 2020 21:44 GMT
#14
I dont think SC2 should have teams. To little money from sponsors to be divided between the different teams and the money should go as directly as possible to players, similar to tennis. If you get real good, you get money from sponsors "directly" plus prize money.
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DoctorFoxer
Profile Joined August 2012
United States191 Posts
June 16 2020 22:10 GMT
#15
Just wanted to point out that Kosmos Esports did sign the original letter, which can be found here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VnJJQpnD9mbDolQet7w4h_9b6KiRC_TU/view

It just wasn't included in the Twitlonger by accident.
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1gragequit
Profile Joined June 2020
31 Posts
June 16 2020 22:14 GMT
#16
I agree with the criticisms of the teams. The 150k prizepool could be leveraged to be idk, say, $450k if you allow it to be driven by well-established teams that can draw in sponsorship money.

Consistent income through established teams' advertising money is so much more valuable than a one and done tourney prizepool for the following reasons:

1) Money is distributed more evenly.
2) Money is used to build the foundations of a team: e.g. 'Oh cool big team league, let's ensure we have more sophisticated PR and reach out to sponsors;.
3) Money can be used to support up and coming players.

Team leagues are pro teams' dream. They create genuine affinity for a particular team by building up storylines (think about how much less sentiment there would be with teams like Prime and StarTale without GSTL).

This affinity leads to a fanbase for the team. Which makes sponsoring this team more valuable. I mean let's be real for a second, who is a fan of Raise Your Edge or 3D Clan? Very few people. Sure, people appreciate them supporting the scene and players they like but who wants Raise Your Edge merch? However, high profile team leagues give these teams the opportunity to create storylines and characters.They give meaning to team names that currently are 'just another team'.

This is a massive missed opportunity if things continue as they do. I just hope Blizzard have the humility to listen to the community and readjust their thinking (or at least consider it).
BlackPride
Profile Joined July 2012
United States186 Posts
June 16 2020 22:17 GMT
#17
Definitely would be excited to see a Caster team league as originally outlined. I don't understand Teams' entitlement to running a tournament the way they dictate. This new one would be an awesome change of pace. Really hoping Blizzard doesn't give in to the pressure.
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
June 16 2020 22:28 GMT
#18
We need a poll to see what the community thinks
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LaughNgamezAfreeca
Profile Joined October 2018
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-16 22:41:09
June 16 2020 22:39 GMT
#19
On June 17 2020 07:17 BlackPride wrote:
Definitely would be excited to see a Caster team league as originally outlined. I don't understand Teams' entitlement to running a tournament the way they dictate. This new one would be an awesome change of pace. Really hoping Blizzard doesn't give in to the pressure.


It wouldn't be a change of pace at all, Blizzard has been doing invitationals with the top pros for years some even with team matches.

Teams in other esports get tons of support, without teams the pro scene would be nowhere near its current existence. There's plenty of justification for supporting teams. Not supporting them is one thing, organizing a team league without them is insulting.
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
June 16 2020 23:31 GMT
#20
On June 17 2020 07:17 BlackPride wrote:
Definitely would be excited to see a Caster team league as originally outlined. I don't understand Teams' entitlement to running a tournament the way they dictate. This new one would be an awesome change of pace. Really hoping Blizzard doesn't give in to the pressure.

Blizzards proposal is fun, but over the years they show no supports to teams and now they're doing a team league without those actual teams, must feel very bad if you're the owner of teams.
Also,at least half of the players in the European scene would just not been see by the public if there aren't any teams.
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