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Code S RO16 Preview: TY, Solar, Stats, Cure

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Code S RO16 Preview: TY, Solar, Stats, Cure

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May 8th, 2020 10:42 GMT

Code S Season 1 - Round of 16

by Wax

After a surprisingly competitive night of games in Group A, Code S RO16 action continues now in Group B. To many fans, this might be the mini-group of death (the group of severe head trauma?), packed with players who would look right at home in the playoffs. But to me, it's the group of Cure, the most perplexing player of the 2020 season so far.

More info: GSL Code S Season 1 on Liquipedia


Group B Preview: TY, Solar, Stats, Cure

Start time: Friday, May 08 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

I'll do this group in reverse order, because I want to start off with the player I think is the most interesting. TL.net readers could justifiably accuse me of repeating the same "is online-Cure for real" talking point over and over again in preview articles. Guilty as charged! But the thing is, Cure deserves all that attention. The Korean scene has been quite stale for the last few years—if you can't get hyped when someone finally threatens to intrude upon the most elite, top-tier of players, then what will you get excited for?

So, one more time, let's examine Cure's peculiar online-offline win-rate splits. So far this season, he's 188-44 in online matches for a ludicrously high 81.03% win-rate. As with most online records, there's plenty of stat-padding against foreigners, but he also has victories against nearly every Code S player (including Maru, Dark and Rogue in a handful of rare occasions where they played online). Offline, he's a mere 14-10 in the same period, and has lost most of his matches against players we'd consider Code S RO8 quality (TY, Stats, Zest, etc).

Unfortunately, I'm starting to run out of hope for our online king. Twice now, major offline tournaments have suggested Cure is not-for-real. At IEM Katowice, he dropped out of the RO24 group stage with losses to TY, Serral, and sOs. Those were three tough opponents to go up against, but exactly the kind Cure had to beat to prove there was substance behind the hype. At the Super Touranment, Cure defeated the perennially inconsistent Dear in the first round, only to lose 1-3 to Solar in the quarterfinals. First place advancement in his Code S RO24 group would have been reassuring, but instead he lost to Zest and advanced by beating Impact twice.

For me, this group decides whether or not this hype train is worth riding anymore. Obviously, Cure has improved significantly from 2019. But even back then, he was able to grind his way to the RO16 of Code S on a couple of occasions. If he fails to go further than that, I might have to admit that this is where the new and improved Cure maxes out.

Facing Cure in his first match is the player who comes close to being the "anti-Cure." It's funny to hear Stats' peers give him credit for always playing at a higher level when the stakes are raised. There's a vibe of praise with faint damning when that happens—no one truly fears Stats like an INnoVation or Maru, but Korean pros seem to recognize that in-studio Stats is going to be a much tougher opponent than the one they face on ladder or in online cups.

Now, what I said above probably isn't the most fair appraisal of Stats at this exact moment—he's actually been excellent in the limited online competitions he's participated in this season, winning a number of weekly cups. His stature during the group selections seemed to reflect that somewhat—he was respectfully taken 4th from last, with Dark nope-ing him away to a different group.

Beating Stats would be a great way for Cure to earn legitimacy as a title contender, but alas: he's on a six-match losing streak to Stats since July of last year. If Cure can't beat Stats online, does he stand a chance against him at all in Code S?

Sticking with the Cure theme (indulge me here, this might be the last time we see him this season), this group also contains Cure-lite in Solar. While any sort of offline play seems to level-down Cure's abilities, Solar suffers from a more specific affliction. He's a fantastic player in every competition except GSL Code S. With just one Code S playoff appearance since 2017, casual fans might regard him as group stage filler on par with Hurricane or Impact. But in the same period, he made the playoffs at four consecutive IEM Katowice events, placed runner-up at three major-tier tournaments, and reached the semis of three GSL Super tournaments. No wonder some of his fellow players singled him out as the most underrated player in a recent GSL video package.

Solar's GSL troubles are more confounding than Cure's. At least when Cure talks about feeling mental pressure when playing offline, it applies consistently to every tournament. Solar somehow players better at tournaments like IEM Katowice, where the stakes and pressure are elevated, and the playing conditions are worse (jet lag, long days with several matches, playing in a foreign environment). Just as intrigued as I am in Cure, I'm also curious to see if Solar will bring his A-game to the Code S stage.

Finally, we have inverse-Cure rounding out the group. TY's brief stint on Triumphant Song Gaming was disastrous, as he was cut from the Chinese team after struggling to put up even a 50% win-rate in the online Chinese team leagues. And it's not like TY was losing to ace players in Dark or INnoVation—he was dropping maps to non-Code S players like iAsonu, Astrea, and DynaMite in online matches. And yet, TY's reputation seems to have barely suffered. In fact, he's leading the group in terms of Liquibet predictions at the time of writing.

That's what a history of excellence earns you. TY's double world championships in 2017 might be ancient history in StarCraft II time, but they still carry some weight in our minds. Moreover, TY never went through any drastic slumps since winning those titles—compared to the peaks and valleys we've gone through with Maru and INnoVation, TY has come to represent a form of consistent Terran greatness.

Personally, I think that reputation has clouded our perception when looking at TY's performances this year. Group stage elimination at IEM Katowice, first round elimination in the Super Tournament (an absolutely brutal drubbing at the hands of Zest), and dismal performances in in what should have been his most significant online matches (Chinese team leagues)—Had anyone else put up those results, we'd call it a slump. TY has been the de facto #3 Terran in the world for a while now, but Cure could very well take that title away from him in this group.

Predictions:

TY > Solar
Stats > Cure
Stats > TY
Cure > Solar
Cure > TY

Stats and Cure advance.



Credits and acknowledgements

Writer: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
May 08 2020 10:49 GMT
#2
Agree, TY is overrated. Long live to Cure the Third best Terran.

Cure has to dismount TY from his horse and ride it instead as a horseman alongside INno and Maru from tomorrow. What better chance than in a Ro16 Code S TvT decider match?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 11:03:59
May 08 2020 11:01 GMT
#3
Maru has been in a class of his own for years now w.r.t. the top Terrans, but Inno has been looking to join him as of late. At the very least a worthy challenger. TY and Cure are pretty far from those rarefied heights.

That being said, this group is still harder to call than Group D. I'd favor Stats and TY; even though Solar and Cure look to be in better form recently their GSL history is lackluster. And GSL matches always seem to favor preparation/mindset over form.
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col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
May 08 2020 11:06 GMT
#4
TYTY fighting.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 11:50:55
May 08 2020 11:50 GMT
#5
There's a group with all 3 ex-Splyce players in it and the preview theme is Cure. What a waste.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 12:06:47
May 08 2020 12:06 GMT
#6
This is the Group that will Kill my Liquibet win streak
I have 0 confidence in predicting any outcome here, all 4 Players could easily get 1st or 4th in this group..
Going to be super exciting to see what they have prepared for us
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shadow4723
Profile Joined October 2018
87 Posts
May 08 2020 12:07 GMT
#7
Stats #1 after his recent performances...... idk Kev
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33341 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 12:25:31
May 08 2020 12:25 GMT
#8
On May 08 2020 20:50 Elentos wrote:
There's a group with all 3 ex-Splyce players in it and the preview theme is Cure. What a waste.

like Splyce
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
May 08 2020 12:37 GMT
#9
On May 08 2020 21:25 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2020 20:50 Elentos wrote:
There's a group with all 3 ex-Splyce players in it and the preview theme is Cure. What a waste.

like Splyce

Just write previews I agree with so I don't have to complain how hard can it be
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
May 08 2020 15:16 GMT
#10
Looking forward to this.
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Chemist391
Profile Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
May 08 2020 15:30 GMT
#11
I always want to see the Shield of Aiur win everything, partially because that's the playstyle I try to emulate, and also because Stats seems like such a nice guy. However, I don't hold out too much hope for a macro-based Protoss in this patch/meta.
seopthi
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
391 Posts
May 08 2020 17:05 GMT
#12
Contrary to many posters here I believe that TY's skill is underrated. Rather, it depends on the definition of skill - I believe that his A-game is truly great, but he has issues bringing it often.

The difference between him and someone like Maru is not the ability to strategize, multi-task, etc., but maybe just to have the proper mental stability. His quality of play is greatly varied even within series; he will play a deciding match in a bo5 much differently than other players.

Overall performance might be overrated but the A-game underrated.
Htime
Profile Joined March 2019
58 Posts
May 08 2020 17:33 GMT
#13
Wow, not a lot of love for Solar here. I'd put his chance at advancing as better than Stats in this group (strong play of late, avoids the risky ZvZ matchup). With the retirements of Classic, herO, Gumi, etc, I'd love to see Cure and Solar move into a Code S Ro8 level consistently.
TY vs Cure for 3rd best Terran is a fun battle, hopefully the winner's match. This group is pretty stacked with Solar as probably the 5th best Zerg in the world (<Serral, Dark, Rogue, Reynor) and Stats is still probably top 3 Protoss. Not possible to be surprised if anyone advances, this one is total hype.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 20:51:59
May 08 2020 18:00 GMT
#14
The horseman era ended when Maru became undoubtedly the best Terran in 2018, everything since was a fight for a far away second best. TY has been losing that fight on every front.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
May 08 2020 19:32 GMT
#15
This group is impossible to call.
Mettis
Profile Joined June 2019
84 Posts
May 08 2020 20:30 GMT
#16
I hope Cure and Stats make it. An aside, 5 years ago there was an article for the anniversary called 20 greatest of all time. Will there be a revision for the 10 year anniversary?!
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 20:51:38
May 08 2020 20:51 GMT
#17
Double post plz delete.
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finallyfrenzied
Profile Joined May 2020
3 Posts
May 08 2020 21:19 GMT
#18
TY is no longer the same player he was in 2017 or 2018, ever since his Stim snipe with 2 Ravens, I think he's been mechanically slowing down and knows that he cannot play a straight up game. So, he preps very carefully to gain early and mid game advantages with Bio or play Mech against Protoss.

Once he feels like he can't do it anymore, he's gonna go full time caster.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
May 08 2020 22:26 GMT
#19
Time to shine Cure.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
May 08 2020 23:14 GMT
#20
On May 09 2020 06:19 finallyfrenzied wrote:
TY is no longer the same player he was in 2017 or 2018, ever since his Stim snipe with 2 Ravens, I think he's been mechanically slowing down and knows that he cannot play a straight up game. So, he preps very carefully to gain early and mid game advantages with Bio or play Mech against Protoss.

Once he feels like he can't do it anymore, he's gonna go full time caster.


TY has always played a bit outside the norm but recently he seems more like Gumiho, way outside the standard meta. Mech vs Protoss and such. And his mechanics have seemed more like Gumiho's too.

I would've bought the idea of getting older and slowing down a few months ago, but Inno went through a big resurgence and now his mechanics are super crisp and clean even though he's older than ever.
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