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On February 06 2020 10:16 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 07:13 xongnox wrote:
Well, this s*xx, but for the foreseeable future Asians tournaments will have to go full online ( still way better than nothing, for players and viewers... ). Except maybe GSL (no-public but offline, only for Koreans residents ?), if Korea situation doesn't degrade too much. Making Korean tournaments non-public or online only is an insane overreaction. That's something you do only when society is forced into full quarantine and closes public transportation, restaurants, movie theaters, concerts, sporting events, and a whole lot more. That's black death level and we are nowhere near that.
They are doing that, LOL. Public events have been cancelled, Shanghai Disneyland has shut down, etc.
It's not an overreaction because if they contain the spread, everything can go back to normal within a few weeks or a month. One month of shutting stuff down is a small price to pay if the virus spread can be contained/reversed.
I would say the virus initially spread because the main city where it spread from, Wuhan, didn't shut stuff down. Had Wuhan "overreacted" earlier and shut stuff down, the spread of the virus would have been contained earlier.
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On February 06 2020 15:30 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Any planned China Team Championships are likely out of commission as well for the forseeable future. I'll be curious if any players get released from their CTC teams due to lack of events.
Worst case scenario is the CTC itself is dicontinued due to the coronavirus and all SC2 players on Chinese teams are let go. Hopefully that won't be the case but the situation looks bad as of right now.
Most of CTC matches were online, the only issue would be holding the finals which were offline. Hoping it's not cancelled though, that's a lot of money down the drain.
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On February 06 2020 10:16 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 07:13 xongnox wrote:
Well, this s*xx, but for the foreseeable future Asians tournaments will have to go full online ( still way better than nothing, for players and viewers... ). Except maybe GSL (no-public but offline, only for Koreans residents ?), if Korea situation doesn't degrade too much. Making Korean tournaments non-public or online only is an insane overreaction. That's something you do only when society is forced into full quarantine and closes public transportation, restaurants, movie theaters, concerts, sporting events, and a whole lot more. That's black death level and we are nowhere near that.
Well.Even if we have better ways of treating deasease today... Spanish flu was 100 years ago and did more death than the first world war so.... Maybe it's overreaction. But i guess it's better than underreaction
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On February 06 2020 10:16 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 07:13 xongnox wrote:
Well, this s*xx, but for the foreseeable future Asians tournaments will have to go full online ( still way better than nothing, for players and viewers... ). Except maybe GSL (no-public but offline, only for Koreans residents ?), if Korea situation doesn't degrade too much. Making Korean tournaments non-public or online only is an insane overreaction. That's something you do only when society is forced into full quarantine and closes public transportation, restaurants, movie theaters, concerts, sporting events, and a whole lot more. That's black death level and we are nowhere near that.
You simply describe China, the next door country..
We will see the evolution the next few days and the next 2/3 weeks, but with 28 cases, a lot of travel to/from China, and a (very) infectious incurable (for now) pandemic, better be safe than sorry.
You need to overreact at first to kill the spread at the start... else you can have actual China which under-reacted for the fist month or so.
Hoping for the best, maybe the situation will be under control in SK in a few weeks and GSL can proceed nearly normally or so.
But if the situation is bad (China etc), offline tournament should go online instead of cancelling. Dozens and dozens of millions people are nearly locked at home and, after basic needs, humans also need a bit of fun and distraction, particularly in theses situations.
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On February 06 2020 18:28 xongnox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 10:16 Boggyb wrote:On February 06 2020 07:13 xongnox wrote:
Well, this s*xx, but for the foreseeable future Asians tournaments will have to go full online ( still way better than nothing, for players and viewers... ). Except maybe GSL (no-public but offline, only for Koreans residents ?), if Korea situation doesn't degrade too much. Making Korean tournaments non-public or online only is an insane overreaction. That's something you do only when society is forced into full quarantine and closes public transportation, restaurants, movie theaters, concerts, sporting events, and a whole lot more. That's black death level and we are nowhere near that. You simply describe China, the next door country.. We will see the evolution the next few days and the next 2/3 weeks, but with 28 cases, a lot of travel to/from China, and a (very) infectious incurable (for now) pandemic, better be safe than sorry. You need to overreact at first to kill the spread at the start... else you can have actual China which under-reacted for the fist month or so. Hoping for the best, maybe the situation will be under control in SK in a few weeks and GSL can proceed nearly normally or so. But if the situation is bad (China etc), offline tournament should go online instead of cancelling. Dozens and dozens of millions people are nearly locked at home and, after basic needs, humans also need a bit of fun and distraction, particularly in theses situations.
In fact I think this shouldn't be called over reaction.
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On February 06 2020 10:52 Nakajin wrote:
I think they are already doing that for LOL, at least they are doing it in some place in China. Overall the directive there seems to be don't have big gathering if you don't need to.
Maybe there's some insurance related thing as well IDK.
Overall at least in China, the government is flexing his power to make sure to get it under control. Sure it's maybe excessive, but in another way, there's a reason why no country with a stable modern state has had an epidemic in almost 100 years, this shit works.
On February 06 2020 16:18 xelnaga_empire wrote:
They are doing that, LOL. Public events have been cancelled, Shanghai Disneyland has shut down, etc.
It's not an overreaction because if they contain the spread, everything can go back to normal within a few weeks or a month. One month of shutting stuff down is a small price to pay if the virus spread can be contained/reversed.
I would say the virus initially spread because the main city where it spread from, Wuhan, didn't shut stuff down. Had Wuhan "overreacted" earlier and shut stuff down, the spread of the virus would have been contained earlier.
On February 06 2020 18:28 xongnox wrote:
You simply describe China, the next door country..
We will see the evolution the next few days and the next 2/3 weeks, but with 28 cases, a lot of travel to/from China, and a (very) infectious incurable (for now) pandemic, better be safe than sorry.
You need to overreact at first to kill the spread at the start... else you can have actual China which under-reacted for the fist month or so.
Hoping for the best, maybe the situation will be under control in SK in a few weeks and GSL can proceed nearly normally or so.
But if the situation is bad (China etc), offline tournament should go online instead of cancelling. Dozens and dozens of millions people are nearly locked at home and, after basic needs, humans also need a bit of fun and distraction, particularly in theses situations.
Say it with me: Korea is not China. What is reasonable at ground zero of a viral outbreak is not reasonable hundreds or thousands of miles away.
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On February 06 2020 23:40 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 10:52 Nakajin wrote:
I think they are already doing that for LOL, at least they are doing it in some place in China. Overall the directive there seems to be don't have big gathering if you don't need to.
Maybe there's some insurance related thing as well IDK.
Overall at least in China, the government is flexing his power to make sure to get it under control. Sure it's maybe excessive, but in another way, there's a reason why no country with a stable modern state has had an epidemic in almost 100 years, this shit works. Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 16:18 xelnaga_empire wrote:
They are doing that, LOL. Public events have been cancelled, Shanghai Disneyland has shut down, etc.
It's not an overreaction because if they contain the spread, everything can go back to normal within a few weeks or a month. One month of shutting stuff down is a small price to pay if the virus spread can be contained/reversed.
I would say the virus initially spread because the main city where it spread from, Wuhan, didn't shut stuff down. Had Wuhan "overreacted" earlier and shut stuff down, the spread of the virus would have been contained earlier. Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 18:28 xongnox wrote:
You simply describe China, the next door country..
We will see the evolution the next few days and the next 2/3 weeks, but with 28 cases, a lot of travel to/from China, and a (very) infectious incurable (for now) pandemic, better be safe than sorry.
You need to overreact at first to kill the spread at the start... else you can have actual China which under-reacted for the fist month or so.
Hoping for the best, maybe the situation will be under control in SK in a few weeks and GSL can proceed nearly normally or so.
But if the situation is bad (China etc), offline tournament should go online instead of cancelling. Dozens and dozens of millions people are nearly locked at home and, after basic needs, humans also need a bit of fun and distraction, particularly in theses situations. Say it with me: Korea is not China. What is reasonable at ground zero of a viral outbreak is not reasonable hundreds or thousands of miles away.
Keep in mind they will have to fly out a team of Chinese team members on site. WESG headquarters are in Chongqing which is a place under outbreak threat right now.
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On February 07 2020 00:21 digmouse wrote:
Keep in mind they will have to fly out a team of Chinese team members on site. WESG headquarters are in Chongqing which is a place under outbreak threat right now.
Canceling events in China is possibly reasonable depending on the proximity to major outbreak sites though possibility hysteria as it is a massive country and something can be in China and still very far away. But the point I was making that cancelling public GSL and Korean tournament matches is an insane overreaction at this moment unless Seoul is swamped with cases and I just haven't heard anything about it yet.
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Well my point was not to discuss precisely the situation in South Korea and China - Hubei, but... :
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Currently it's acting like a pandemic sweeping thought Asia. South Korea have 23 confirmed cases (maybe way more unconfirmed cases :/ ). If you look at a timeline, China had similar number of cases.... only a month ago ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019–20_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak ).
So yeah, you need to freak-out and 'over-react' at the very beginning, if you wait for the situation to be as bad at Wuhan is currently, it's probably way too late to contain the epidemic. (you can still slow it tho...). If China had 'over-reacted' over a month ago, they may have contained and extinguished the epidemic. Look at where we are now.
So no it's not 'over-reaction', because to contain an exponential spread you need to act at the very beginning. It's like having a very, very very small fire in my barn full of Straw. Better dump all your extinguisher now than to wait.
Anyway neither us nor GSL organizers will decide it, most likely Korean government will issue instructions. If situation worsen and they have local community transmission, they will ( correctly) freak out and ban every possible mass gathering.
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China6331 Posts
We didn't act when it was a small fire. Look at what it has become. There is no overreaction when it comes to a epidemic.
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Flu killed 25,000 people last year, and that didn't stop any StarCraft events.. why is this such a big deal?
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On February 07 2020 05:24 ThunderJunk wrote:
Flu killed 25,000 people last year, and that didn't stop any StarCraft events.. why is this such a big deal?
Because this virus is human made....."queues up resident evil 1 soundtrack"
Naw but this is a new virus that is not well understood yet. Better be safe than sorry; until we can study it more and know the full extent of its power.
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On February 07 2020 05:24 ThunderJunk wrote:
Flu killed 25,000 people last year, and that didn't stop any StarCraft events.. why is this such a big deal?
Influenza deaths generally come from the young, the old, and immune damaged. The normal healthy human has some immunity to the various influenza strains that are in human circulation. For the new virus, no one has immunity, so the healthy are at an enhanced risk of death. That's why this is such a big deal.
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On February 07 2020 05:24 ThunderJunk wrote:
Flu killed 25,000 people last year, and that didn't stop any StarCraft events.. why is this such a big deal?
It's a big f'n deal because the epicenter of the disease is in China. Viral Pandemic + 1.4 billion people = MASSIVE DANGER
If things get much worse China could, and probably will, close their borders completely and ban large public gatherings like sports/esports events altogether inside China until the epidemic is sufficently contained.
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Influenza is multiple strains of viruses that already have a worldwide presence and a deathrate of under 1/100th of a percent.
This is a single disease with a variable and possibly very long incubation period, a very high level of contagiousness with possible asymptomatic transmission, and a fatality rate of somewhere likely between 2-5% but likely higher if hospitals fill up.
In other words, this disease is *extremely* dangerous, and what is happening in China is awful and the people there do not deserve it. What everyone everywhere needs to do is take this virus seriously because the comparisons to the flu is wrong, this is incredibly dangerous and we better hope that international cases continue to slow. What is happening in China is much worse than what the CCP reports, and what is being reported is already awful.
The reality is this virus will likely continue to spread, it is likely unstoppable, and I believe the hope now is to slow it enough that medicinal treatments are able to handle it before the number of cases get out of control. And I think we will likely be able to do that, at least on a global level.
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Better safe than sorry I guess. Conspiracy theories aside, a viral epidemic should be alarming enough to raise the level of caution. I certainly hope that this gets contained in the near future. But SC2 tournaments don't have to be offline. The organizers like scboy for example are free to whip out a new schedule and possibly move the entire CTC online. I don't know if guys at Alibaba can do that though, given they are not the most flexible organizer by any means.
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It is a bit amusing that we are facing Zombie Apocalypse and your greatest worries are SC2 tournaments ^^'
But I can understand that point of view completely. Here in Germany everybody is super relaxed about Corona. I hope it stays that way. The only thing worse than an epidemic is an epidemic that leads to mass panic, looting and rioting
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On February 06 2020 18:28 xongnox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 10:16 Boggyb wrote:On February 06 2020 07:13 xongnox wrote:
Well, this s*xx, but for the foreseeable future Asians tournaments will have to go full online ( still way better than nothing, for players and viewers... ). Except maybe GSL (no-public but offline, only for Koreans residents ?), if Korea situation doesn't degrade too much. Making Korean tournaments non-public or online only is an insane overreaction. That's something you do only when society is forced into full quarantine and closes public transportation, restaurants, movie theaters, concerts, sporting events, and a whole lot more. That's black death level and we are nowhere near that. You simply describe China, the next door country.. We will see the evolution the next few days and the next 2/3 weeks, but with 28 cases, a lot of travel to/from China, and a (very) infectious incurable (for now) pandemic, better be safe than sorry. You need to overreact at first to kill the spread at the start... else you can have actual China which under-reacted for the fist month or so.
Well said by xongnox. Overreaction is better than under reaction. Under reaction gets you Wuhan, where the government was slow to react. And it's not like it's permanent either. Countries just need to be vigilant over the next one or two months. If the number of cases for the virus drop over the next one or two months, then they can start to relax policies put up to protect the public and let things gradually return to normal.
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On February 07 2020 11:20 travis wrote:
What everyone everywhere needs to do is take this virus seriously because the comparisons to the flu is wrong, this is incredibly dangerous and we better hope that international cases continue to slow.
Agree with Travis. The comparisons to the flu are just silly. Just look at Wuhan and what the virus can possibly do if left unchecked. A typical flu won't overfill Wuhan hospitals, leading them to have to build makeshift hospitals because they ran out of space. But if you read the news in Wuhan now, the hospitals have no space, and they building the temporary hospitals that took them something like 2 weeks to build.
Also, the fatality rate for flu is 0.01%: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/. The fatality rate for this Coronavirus so far is about 2% to 3% but it may mutate further, leading to a higher fatality rate.
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On February 07 2020 18:12 xelnaga_empire wrote:
The fatality rate for this Coronavirus so far is about 2% to 3% but it may mutate further, leading to a higher fatality rate.
Extremely unlikely to become more fatal through mutation. It's a slow mutating virus + being more deadly is a very bad evolutionary tactic for a virus. If it would mutate it would probably become less fatal.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two-scenarios-if-new-coronavirus-isnt-contained/
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