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tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
October 30 2019 23:16 GMT
#21
Why are you people so excited? This organization, which is a child of your big brother google, is engineering the alpha phase of your replacement. How do you people have such little foresight? Skynet isn't just fiction—it's also prophecy.
ClaudeSc2
Profile Joined May 2014
United States73 Posts
October 30 2019 23:50 GMT
#22
From what I remember against Mana this thing only won because the primitive microbot part of its play. I recall like 2-3 screens of blink stalkers being controlled at once...I think it'd get wrecked by the automaton 2000 too, so idk what to make of any of it.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 31 2019 01:07 GMT
#23
It's interesting, but nothing too new. Back in July/August when people spotted AlphaStar on ladder we got a pretty good idea of what its level was at. I wonder if Deepmind is still working on Starcraft given that this result is certainly not as satisfying as what they achieved in Go for instance. I hope the paper helps guide the Starcraft AI community at any rate.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
October 31 2019 01:42 GMT
#24


They also released replays for all of AlphaStar's ladder matches.
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Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
October 31 2019 01:56 GMT
#25
On October 31 2019 06:45 loppy2345 wrote:
So when's Alphastar going to play Serral?
I feel like they need 3 series of bo5, one for each race!

They played in a TvZ, Serral beat the shit out of AlphaStar.
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
October 31 2019 02:32 GMT
#26
Isn't Deepmind a Google partner project with Waymo? Or it's owned in part by Waymo or Google?

Deepmind doesn't need to make money; Deepmind is proving proof of concept to eventually replace thinking jobs.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States741 Posts
October 31 2019 02:59 GMT
#27
On October 31 2019 08:16 tigon_ridge wrote:
Why are you people so excited? This organization, which is a child of your big brother google, is engineering the alpha phase of your replacement. How do you people have such little foresight? Skynet isn't just fiction—it's also prophecy.


Guys, they devoted 150 computers with 28 processing cores EACH to this project. Human brains cost less to operate. We'll be okay.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 03:51:22
October 31 2019 03:43 GMT
#28
On October 31 2019 06:59 loppy2345 wrote:
Deepmind must be burning through cash on this Starcraft project. Their losses were $570 mil in 2018, and $370 mil in 2017. I feel they could well run out of money very soon, unless they manage to find a commercial use for this type of research.


Deepmind is funded by Google. Or rather, Alphabet, the parent company of Google. A couple hundred million is nothing. Deepmind may have lost $570 million last year, but the company as a whole turned a profit of $30 billion. Money is no object for them.

The actual danger for Deepmind is Google deciding their little Starcraft experiment has taught them all it can about reinforcement learning, and that it's time to move on.
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tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
October 31 2019 03:59 GMT
#29
On October 31 2019 11:59 ThunderJunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2019 08:16 tigon_ridge wrote:
Why are you people so excited? This organization, which is a child of your big brother google, is engineering the alpha phase of your replacement. How do you people have such little foresight? Skynet isn't just fiction—it's also prophecy.


Guys, they devoted 150 computers with 28 processing cores EACH to this project. Human brains cost less to operate. We'll be okay.

Once again, not able to see past one's nose. By the time you do see it, it may be too late.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 05:48:39
October 31 2019 05:19 GMT
#30
On October 31 2019 12:59 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2019 11:59 ThunderJunk wrote:
On October 31 2019 08:16 tigon_ridge wrote:
Why are you people so excited? This organization, which is a child of your big brother google, is engineering the alpha phase of your replacement. How do you people have such little foresight? Skynet isn't just fiction—it's also prophecy.


Guys, they devoted 150 computers with 28 processing cores EACH to this project. Human brains cost less to operate. We'll be okay.

Once again, not able to see past one's nose. By the time you do see it, it may be too late.


I agree. AI is the single largest threat to humans surviving the next 100 years.

Climate change could wipe us out but improved technology and consumer pressure will probably solve that. Nuclear war is still a threat but is unlikely to happen.

But trying to control something that will be much more intelligent than us, I see no scenario where we will not be wiped out.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
October 31 2019 05:45 GMT
#31
Super cool, just hope this is not the end.

I want to see Alphastar vs Serral on a big stage.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Bomzj
Profile Joined July 2018
Belarus24 Posts
October 31 2019 06:23 GMT
#32
Please bring AlphaStar into Team Games as well!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 31 2019 06:56 GMT
#33
On October 31 2019 14:45 Musicus wrote:
Super cool, just hope this is not the end.

I want to see Alphastar vs Serral on a big stage.

They should definitely do a showmatch while the humans still have a fighting chance
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
October 31 2019 07:11 GMT
#34
just wanna say lmfao at the people who think fucking alphastar is anywhere remotely close to representing a rise of sapient machine intelligence and recommend that they read fewer clickbait headlines and more actual science
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heqat
Profile Joined October 2011
Switzerland96 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 07:24:08
October 31 2019 07:23 GMT
#35
On October 31 2019 12:43 pvsnp wrote:

The actual danger for Deepmind is Google deciding their little Starcraft experiment has taught them all it can about reinforcement learning, and that it's time to move on.


Which seems to be the case. I've the feeling the result is good enough for their research and they will move to another project now.
heqat
Profile Joined October 2011
Switzerland96 Posts
October 31 2019 07:25 GMT
#36
On October 31 2019 16:11 brickrd wrote:
just wanna say lmfao at the people who think fucking alphastar is anywhere remotely close to representing a rise of sapient machine intelligence and recommend that they read fewer clickbait headlines and more actual science


Yes, we're very far from machine true intelligence. But it is still pretty impressive that an AI can play SC2 just by watching pixels moving on the screen.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 31 2019 07:28 GMT
#37
On October 31 2019 16:25 heqat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2019 16:11 brickrd wrote:
just wanna say lmfao at the people who think fucking alphastar is anywhere remotely close to representing a rise of sapient machine intelligence and recommend that they read fewer clickbait headlines and more actual science


Yes, we're very far from machine true intelligence. But it is still pretty impressive that an AI can play SC2 just by watching pixels moving on the screen.

It doesn't. It reads the game state.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
heqat
Profile Joined October 2011
Switzerland96 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 07:35:12
October 31 2019 07:34 GMT
#38
On October 31 2019 16:28 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2019 16:25 heqat wrote:
On October 31 2019 16:11 brickrd wrote:
just wanna say lmfao at the people who think fucking alphastar is anywhere remotely close to representing a rise of sapient machine intelligence and recommend that they read fewer clickbait headlines and more actual science


Yes, we're very far from machine true intelligence. But it is still pretty impressive that an AI can play SC2 just by watching pixels moving on the screen.

It doesn't. It reads the game state.


Don't think it is based on game state. From what I understood they have a simplified rendering of the view (like one image for the building, one for the enemies, etc. but it is based on pixels:




xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
October 31 2019 07:45 GMT
#39
On October 31 2019 16:28 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2019 16:25 heqat wrote:
On October 31 2019 16:11 brickrd wrote:
just wanna say lmfao at the people who think fucking alphastar is anywhere remotely close to representing a rise of sapient machine intelligence and recommend that they read fewer clickbait headlines and more actual science


Yes, we're very far from machine true intelligence. But it is still pretty impressive that an AI can play SC2 just by watching pixels moving on the screen.

It doesn't. It reads the game state.


not anymore, this version has a lot of limitations in APM and in screen information.
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 07:58:51
October 31 2019 07:58 GMT
#40
Glad to have been wrong then.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
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