Classic just announced on Twitter that has received permission to travel abroad, making him eligible to compete in the WCS Global Finals.
"I've got permission to travel overseas! After the points for qualifying and the overall tournament details became clearer I began the process of getting permission from August, but we hit some unexpected road bumps along the way, causing this decision to be delayed. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused the players and tournament organizers. Special thanks to Mr. Yoo Dong Koo of KeSPA who helped me out a lot."
"I'll try to make the most out of this opportunity that I fought hard to get!"
Classic's confirmation to participate in the Global Finals has eliminated TY, the #9 seed in Korea, from participating. The sixteen players participating at the WCS Global Finals have now been determined, as well as the groups.
So fucking sad for TY, I'm utterly disappointed :/. Only 1 korean terran this year . At least Classic is a good protoss, he better not lose to any foreigner in the groupstage.
And we have the Maru - Serral - Stats - TIME group of death awaiting, in bo5, we have high chances of getting a Maru vs Serral match!
A: Dark, SoOwtime (really have no idea where these two stand right now) B: Serral, Maru C: Classic, Reynor D: Rogue, Treeb (How is Neebs PvP right now?)
EDIT: It is played GSL style right? Is the match order shown on LP right?
It sucks that TY won't be going this year, we're really going to miss him at blizzcon. I was really hoping he would go, especially after playing that well the last couple of months.
Nevertheless, I can't be disappointed at all that Classic is going. This will be his final tournament as a pro and he more than earned his place there. Let's hope that the old man is going to crush it and end his career in glory.
I’ve loved Classic’s play all year. Really excited that he gets to go. It’s his last year before the army so I’ll be cheering for him to win. Toss hasn’t much luck this year, but if anyone can do it it’s classic.
On October 15 2019 18:49 Harris1st wrote: Finally!!!
Predictions:
A: Dark, SoOwtime (really have no idea where these two stand right now) B: Serral, Maru C: Classic, Reynor D: Rogue, Treeb (How is Neebs PvP right now?)
EDIT: It is played GSL style right? Is the match order shown on LP right?
EDIT2: HYYYYPPPPEEEEEEUUUUU
If recent matches are to be believed, Neeb's PvP is decent as he beat stats and showtime at GSL vs the world
Honestly I would be surprised if Maru beats Stats if/when they meet.
On October 15 2019 19:11 General_Winter wrote: I’ve loved Classic’s play all year. Really excited that he gets to go. It’s his last year before the army so I’ll be cheering for him to win. Toss hasn’t much luck this year, but if anyone can do it it’s classic.
Love both TY and Classic and they will always remain in my heart. But this year Classic deserves a bit more a spot in Grand Finals. He was always on top in Korean GSL's this year or at least on semi's and he got a Super Tournament trophy (2nd in a row btw!!!). For a while TY was tempted by that BC's early build and he lost lot's of WCS points because of those brave moves in Code S Season 2 especially.
Happy for Classic, sad we got so few high class terrans.
My delusion Group A sees Dark move on undefeated and SpeCial gets carried by the rematch curse. In group B the two terran prodigies ascends out of the grup, Maru and TIME beats the odds and makes it out of ro16. Group C gets smashed by the korean protosses, Classic and herO onwards! Rogue and Neeb claw themselves out of group D which turned out to be full of wacky weird games where everyone looked bad or worse.
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Classic earned his place at WCS Global Finals, him being allowed to go feels right and it also gives us more interesting groups; Serral vs Maru is still not granted to happen.
My prediction and hopes: A-Dark(for sure), ?(ideally Special, but his shape is bad too. Maybe soO). B-Impossible to predict. It's still a weekender(or Code S like groupstages), so I would say Serral and Stats. C-Classic's shape doesn't convince me. I would go with Reynor and herO(unless the biggest of Gabes becomes huge). D-Rogue without any doubt, then Elazer(ZvZ and ZvP make his chances skyrocket, Trap seems to be in a slump and Neeb's PvZ have become worse throughout the year).
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Actually I didn't see anyone cheering for Classic not to go, I saw several wanting TY to be able to go. Which are two clearly different things, the only way to do what you ask is if no one had any investment in any team or player and everyone had 100% logically objective perspectives. Isn't it natural that you want your favorite player/team to go play in the world championship? Maybe its just me then.
Consider this happening in actual sports, NBA Miami heat moves on and Orlando magic is about to drop out. A technical reason pops up that might make it so Miami heat will not get to play in the upcoming matches at which point Orlando magic would take their spot. I don't see anyone ever blaming Orlando magic fans for hoping that their team can continue playing, even if it is due to another team that beat them fairly gets DQed. The overwhelming majority of Orlando magic fans would hope for their team to be able to get further, its the norm in sports to cheer for your team or players. But maybe you don't have any favorites? What are you an emotionless machine?
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Actually I didn't see anyone cheering for Classic not to go, I saw several wanting TY to be able to go. Which are two clearly different things
On October 15 2019 20:03 opisska wrote: The key question is to what lengths are maru and serral willing to go to dodge each other and on whom is it going to backfire?
Considering the current balance situation and Maru's shaky TvT we can see 1) 0 T in RO8 (check the local prediction which are giving chances only to Maru and only some) 2) 0 Serral v Maru games 3) 4 Z players in RO4.
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Dude, this is a happy day! What got your panties all in a bunch?
Maybe TY will still be there at the caster desk, cursing people left and right ^_^
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Dude, this is a happy day! What got your panties all in a bunch?
Maybe TY will still be there at the caster desk, cursing people left and right ^_^
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Actually I didn't see anyone cheering for Classic not to go, I saw several wanting TY to be able to go. Which are two clearly different things
It's literally the same thing.
It's not. One is a positive style of cheering and the other is a negative style. While the result is the same the path to it is important too. One is light while the other is filled with hatred and leads to the dark side!
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Actually I didn't see anyone cheering for Classic not to go, I saw several wanting TY to be able to go. Which are two clearly different things
It's literally the same thing.
It's not. One is a positive style of cheering and the other is a negative style. While the result is the same the path to it is important too. One is light while the other is filled with hatred and leads to the dark side!
Not gonna lie I wouldn't be particularly sad if herO won the lotery tomorrow and quited Starcraft to go live on a private island.
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Dude, this is a happy day! What got your panties all in a bunch?
Maybe TY will still be there at the caster desk, cursing people left and right ^_^
Implying korean casters can cast blizzcon
The Ro16 is played in the GSL studio. Don't you think there will be a Korean cast? O.o
On October 15 2019 20:26 Nakajin wrote: Not gonna lie I wouldn't be particularly sad if herO won the lotery tomorrow and quited Starcraft to go live on a private island.
Was thinking the same'ish thing. Both TY and Classic go and herO doesn't ...
GG TIME, you had a good run. If you make it back in time, you can still cast ro8 matches in Shanghai But seriously, it's going to be a fantastic series this year. Serral meets Maru so early too, finally!!
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Dude, this is a happy day! What got your panties all in a bunch?
Maybe TY will still be there at the caster desk, cursing people left and right ^_^
Implying korean casters can cast blizzcon
The Ro16 is played in the GSL studio. Don't you think there will be a Korean cast? O.o
On October 15 2019 20:26 Nakajin wrote: Not gonna lie I wouldn't be particularly sad if herO won the lotery tomorrow and quited Starcraft to go live on a private island.
Was thinking the same'ish thing. Both TY and Classic go and herO doesn't ...
Poor herO, from "the good hero" to "the bad hero, that prevented TY from going to blizzcon"
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Dude, this is a happy day! What got your panties all in a bunch?
Maybe TY will still be there at the caster desk, cursing people left and right ^_^
Implying korean casters can cast blizzcon
The Ro16 is played in the GSL studio. Don't you think there will be a Korean cast? O.o
On October 15 2019 20:26 Nakajin wrote: Not gonna lie I wouldn't be particularly sad if herO won the lotery tomorrow and quited Starcraft to go live on a private island.
Was thinking the same'ish thing. Both TY and Classic go and herO doesn't ...
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Actually I didn't see anyone cheering for Classic not to go, I saw several wanting TY to be able to go. Which are two clearly different things
It's literally the same thing.
You need to work on your logic circuitry.
I hope Maru wins Blizzcon ≠ I hope Classic loses
Maru can't win Blizzcon unless Classic loses but saying you hope Maru wins is literally (you should check what that means btw) not the same as saying Classic loses.
I could say I wish the end of the world would come, which would literally not be the same as saying I wish you died. Even though we cannot have one without the other.
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Actually I didn't see anyone cheering for Classic not to go, I saw several wanting TY to be able to go. Which are two clearly different things
It's literally the same thing.
It's not. One is a positive style of cheering and the other is a negative style. While the result is the same the path to it is important too. One is light while the other is filled with hatred and leads to the dark side!
In this case, I don't think you can say that if you actually read the comments people said.
This thread is about Classic finally confirming he can go to Blizzcon, a spot he rightfully earned through great performance all here. Not only that, we spend most of the year thinking he couldn't even go. The fact that he can go is really great news. To come in here and be "very disappointed" that TY isn't going and not even mention Classic in their posts kinda shows the obvious bias there.
The fact is: if you wanted TY to go, you were hoping Classic wouldn't be able to due to a technicality. Which is fine, cos honestly I would've preferred TY to go for entertainment sake and having an extra terran is always nice. But coming into a "Classic able to participate at BlizzCon" thread and saying nothing about Classic but expressing disappointment about TY not being able to go, well that literally means you were waiting for news that would've prevented Classic from going to Blizzcon. Again, if that's how you feel, I have no problem with that cos you can cheer for whoever you want to. But let's not pretend that hoping classic can't go, and hoping TY can go are different things in this situation when TY can literally only go due to Classic being prevented from going.
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Dude, this is a happy day! What got your panties all in a bunch?
Maybe TY will still be there at the caster desk, cursing people left and right ^_^
Implying korean casters can cast blizzcon
The Ro16 is played in the GSL studio. Don't you think there will be a Korean cast? O.o
On October 15 2019 20:26 Nakajin wrote: Not gonna lie I wouldn't be particularly sad if herO won the lotery tomorrow and quited Starcraft to go live on a private island.
Was thinking the same'ish thing. Both TY and Classic go and herO doesn't ...
Poor herO, from "the good hero" to "the bad hero, that prevented TY from going to blizzcon"
You either die a hero or live long enough to become an adept all-inner
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Actually I didn't see anyone cheering for Classic not to go, I saw several wanting TY to be able to go. Which are two clearly different things
It's literally the same thing.
It's not. One is a positive style of cheering and the other is a negative style. While the result is the same the path to it is important too. One is light while the other is filled with hatred and leads to the dark side!
In this case, I don't think you can say that if you actually read the comments people said.
This thread is about Classic finally confirming he can go to Blizzcon, a spot he rightfully earned through great performance all here. Not only that, we spend most of the year thinking he couldn't even go. The fact that he can go is really great news. To come in here and be "very disappointed" that TY isn't going and not even mention Classic in their posts kinda shows the obvious bias there.
The fact is: if you wanted TY to go, you were hoping Classic wouldn't be able to due to a technicality. Which is fine, cos honestly I would've preferred TY to go for entertainment sake and having an extra terran is always nice. But coming into a "Classic able to participate at BlizzCon" thread and saying nothing about Classic but expressing disappointment about TY not being able to go, well that literally means you were waiting for news that would've prevented Classic from going to Blizzcon. Again, if that's how you feel, I have no problem with that cos you can cheer for whoever you want to. But let's not pretend that hoping classic can't go, and hoping TY can go are different things in this situation when TY can literally only go due to Classic being prevented from going.
I don't really get the issue. In both cases (Classic can go - Classic can't go) people are gonna be disappointed, because Classic going prevents TY from doing so, and Classic not going means Classic doesn't go in spite of being one of the top protoss in a BlizzCon where everyone fears a 3+zergs ro4.
Most people would be fine with TY + Classic going instead of Classic + 8th spot herO, thus saying that you are disappointed that TY doesn't go doesn't mean you'd not be disappointed if Classic couldn't go.
On October 15 2019 19:09 Ej_ wrote: It sucks that the guy with more points qualified, over the player I like.
Yeah, how dare fans have favorite players, everyone should just be 100% objective with no emotional investment at all.
Whats wrong with some of us being sad TY is not going, doesn't mean we didn't want Classic to go. Just that we wanted TY to go more, the forums is exactly the right place to show our sadness for something Starcraft related. Don't want to read it? Don't be here
It doesn't seem weird to you, that on a forum about competitive Starcraft, people were cheering for a player who rightfuly qualified to be prevented from participation, in favor of one he had outperformed throughout the year? Maybe it's just me then.
Actually I didn't see anyone cheering for Classic not to go, I saw several wanting TY to be able to go. Which are two clearly different things
It's literally the same thing.
It's not. One is a positive style of cheering and the other is a negative style. While the result is the same the path to it is important too. One is light while the other is filled with hatred and leads to the dark side!
In this case, I don't think you can say that if you actually read the comments people said.
This thread is about Classic finally confirming he can go to Blizzcon, a spot he rightfully earned through great performance all here. Not only that, we spend most of the year thinking he couldn't even go. The fact that he can go is really great news. To come in here and be "very disappointed" that TY isn't going and not even mention Classic in their posts kinda shows the obvious bias there.
The fact is: if you wanted TY to go, you were hoping Classic wouldn't be able to due to a technicality. Which is fine, cos honestly I would've preferred TY to go for entertainment sake and having an extra terran is always nice. But coming into a "Classic able to participate at BlizzCon" thread and saying nothing about Classic but expressing disappointment about TY not being able to go, well that literally means you were waiting for news that would've prevented Classic from going to Blizzcon. Again, if that's how you feel, I have no problem with that cos you can cheer for whoever you want to. But let's not pretend that hoping classic can't go, and hoping TY can go are different things in this situation when TY can literally only go due to Classic being prevented from going.
But it's not the same. If people are sad that TY can't attend that doesn't mean they want Classic to not go. Especially if you use the word "literally". You're implying your own view on the posts. The posts say - it's sad TY can't go. Nothing more, nothing less. And I'm ignoring the negative/positive relation.
Feeling good for classic to participate so we are able to see maru vs serral game that we are wanting for,also feel bad for time with such a little chance of go into ro8, probably will see him casting ro8 in Shanghai
On October 15 2019 21:39 Sorathez wrote: Ran the whole bracket through aligulac and this is the median result: (Assuming ro8 works as A1vC2, B1vD2, C1vA2, D1vB2)
Group A
Dark 3 - 2 Showtime soO 3 - 2 Special
Dark 3 - 2 soO Showtime 2 - 3 Special
soO 3 - 2 Special
Dark and soO advance
Group B Maru 3 -1 TIME Stats 1-3 Serral
Maru 3 - 2 Serral TIME 1-3 Stats
Serral 3 - 1 Stats
Maru and Serral advance
Group C Classic 3 - 2 Heromarine Hero 2-3 Reynor
Classic 2-3 Reynor Heromarine 2-3 Hero
Classic 3 - 2 hero
Reynor and Classic advance
Group D Trap 2 - 3 Elazer Rogue 3 - 2 Neeb
Elazer 1 - 3 Rogue Trap 2 - 3 Neeb
Elazer 2 - 3 Neeb
Rogue and Neeb advance
Ro8 Dark 3 - 2 Classic Maru 3-2 Neeb Reynor 3-2 soO Serral 3-1 Rogue
Ro4 Dark 3-2 Maru Reynor 1-3 Serral
Final Dark 2-4 Serral
Serral is the champion!
It predicts that Serral will lose to Maru in the group but then ZvZ his way to victory in the knockout bracket.
Only 3 Zergs in the RO4, there's some error in the algorithm
Happy for classic that he got what he deserved. But I think the majority of people would have rather seen TY, another Korean Terran. Especially since it doesn’t seem like Maru will make it out of the group, so there is a real chance there are no terrans in the Ro8 which would suck. Besides Maru the only other Terran with a sizeable chance to make it out of groups is Special if he can overcome his hate for Zerg and beat soO (and showtime which isn’t a guarantee).
Does seem like each group has an at least decent chance of producing a foreigner. Some fun groups in Ro16, still worried about what the Ro8 will look like
On October 15 2019 22:19 ZugzwangSC wrote: I will be very stoked for BlizzCon this year! Can't wait. Well, technically, it's almost certain that I will, but I would prefer not to.
On October 15 2019 21:39 Sorathez wrote: Ran the whole bracket through aligulac and this is the median result: (Assuming ro8 works as A1vC2, B1vD2, C1vA2, D1vB2)
Group A
Dark 3 - 2 Showtime soO 3 - 2 Special
Dark 3 - 2 soO Showtime 2 - 3 Special
soO 3 - 2 Special
Dark and soO advance
Group B Maru 3 -1 TIME Stats 1-3 Serral
Maru 3 - 2 Serral TIME 1-3 Stats
Serral 3 - 1 Stats
Maru and Serral advance
Group C Classic 3 - 2 Heromarine Hero 2-3 Reynor
Classic 2-3 Reynor Heromarine 2-3 Hero
Classic 3 - 2 hero
Reynor and Classic advance
Group D Trap 2 - 3 Elazer Rogue 3 - 2 Neeb
Elazer 1 - 3 Rogue Trap 2 - 3 Neeb
Elazer 2 - 3 Neeb
Rogue and Neeb advance
Ro8 Dark 3 - 2 Classic Maru 3-2 Neeb Reynor 3-2 soO Serral 3-1 Rogue
Ro4 Dark 3-2 Maru Reynor 1-3 Serral
Final Dark 2-4 Serral
Serral is the champion!
It predicts that Serral will lose to Maru in the group but then ZvZ his way to victory in the knockout bracket.
I can live with that
but I think in reality there will be waaaaay more 3:0's
I'm very happy for Classic. He fought hard to get to play and he is rewarded. Now hopefully he can improve his form going into Blizzcon to bring us some peak Old Man play.
It's a bit regrettable to only have Maru representing Korean Terrans, and have him in the hardest group. But oh well, nothing to be done.
On October 15 2019 18:27 DieuCure wrote: Awful for TY.
What a shitty comment, lol. If TY had performed better he wouldn't have to depend on a better player getting DQ'd. Really happy for Classic that he can travel to that tournament that he deserves, to finish off his stellar year!
Played in Korea, all games best of 5? Serral has a shot of going trough, but with these groups rip foreigners tbh. It is even possible we will see 0 foreigners at blizzcon if Serral doesn't make it.
Leave it to this community to be able to turn literally any op into arguement lmao. At least we are consistent. Happy for classic sad for ty soooooo hyped for group B.
On October 16 2019 00:14 kajtarp wrote: Played in Korea, all games best of 5? Serral has a shot of going trough, but with these groups rip foreigners tbh. It is even possible we will see 0 foreigners at blizzcon if Serral doesn't make it.
These groups look better for foreigners than the ones we had last year, except for Serral's that's indeed harder. No foreigners at BlizzCon is as likely as five advancing; did you watch GSL vs The World, played in Korea with bo5 matches? I would personally expect to see two or three foreigners at BlizzCon.
Serral, Neeb (don't forget Trap's winrate has gone downhill since his 4-0 GSL loss to teammate Rogue ) have fairly good shots at advancing, Elazer might if his ZvZ is as good as GSL vs the world and Trap is indeed mentally broken. Reynor has a relatively easy group if his ZvP/ZvT are relatively close to Serral. Special will have to exceed expectations but he tends to do that in various BlizzCons so it could happen! If he doesn't, then it's probably Showtime that qualifies (I don't think soO is in a good enough shape to beat him these days, and the favourable zerg meta doesn't suit his style as well as the 2017 meta)
So imho foreigners have good groups in order to advance.
On October 16 2019 00:14 kajtarp wrote: Played in Korea, all games best of 5? Serral has a shot of going trough, but with these groups rip foreigners tbh. It is even possible we will see 0 foreigners at blizzcon if Serral doesn't make it.
These groups look better for foreigners than the ones we had last year, except for Serral's that's indeed harder. No foreigners at BlizzCon is as likely as five advancing; did you watch GSL vs The World, played in Korea with bo5 matches? I would personally expect to see two or three foreigners at BlizzCon.
Whats your point with GTW? Look at the bracket. Foreigners vs each other, koreans vs each other most of the time. Yes, i did watch it. Don't get me wrong, i would be happy if you are right. I certainly does not hate any of the foreigners.
Well, not only Classic, there are more effects for other players. Classic was born on 1991. And soO, Zest, Stats and herO were all born in 1992. Since Classic is allowed to go abroad, more players may play harder in order to get a ticket to Blizzcon in their last year before military.
On October 15 2019 22:37 TentativePanda wrote: Happy for classic that he got what he deserved. But I think the majority of people would have rather seen TY, another Korean Terran. Especially since it doesn’t seem like Maru will make it out of the group, so there is a real chance there are no terrans in the Ro8 which would suck. Besides Maru the only other Terran with a sizeable chance to make it out of groups is Special if he can overcome his hate for Zerg and beat soO (and showtime which isn’t a guarantee).
Does seem like each group has an at least decent chance of producing a foreigner. Some fun groups in Ro16, still worried about what the Ro8 will look like
really? on what are you basing your claim that "the majority of people" would prefer to see the player who legitimately qualified barred by his government from an amazing and well-earned competitive experience? surely you're not just inventing out of thin air that most people agree with you because of shallow egotism and balance salt?
So now we can officially say God-form Maru 2018-S1 2019 was definitively hiding the reality of Terran weakness (in Korea at least, in final phases of tournaments. In ForeignLand Terran is exceptionally weak since at least 2013.. and by this norm they did fine this year).
Tbh someone would have told me,a few years ago, that we would see again BL/festor parties and ZvZvP bracket nightmare for months/years, i would have not taken it seriously...
Would be a bit of a blow now if he fails to get out of his group lol. Wish him the best though as this is probably the last time we see Classic play SC2 for a while.
Group C... I don't see this ending well for classic i don't feel herO is championship material but PvP materials... oh yeah. And Reynor... Classic should win on paper but hum.. As for HeroMarine well... he's the TIME of group B
While I don't think TIME is getting out, I think you're severely underestimating TIME's form.
In the show Tristan gave this card to Joey so he could beat Mai, so watch TIME wins this whole group. But shouldn't Serral be Ra since Ra is considered the best? If anything, Maru is Slifer and Stats is Obelisk.
While I don't think TIME is getting out, I think you're severely underestimating TIME's form.
In the show Tristan gave this card to Joey so he could beat Mai, so watch TIME wins this whole group. But shouldn't Serral be Ra since Ra is considered the best? If anything, Maru is Slifer and Stats is Obelisk.
I think it's mostly just going by race logo color association: Obelisk = Blue = Terran = Maru, Slifer = Red = Zerg = Serral, there's no green for protoss but Ra = Yellow = Golden Armada = Protoss = Classic.
Also the terran logo looks like Obelisk and the zerg logo looks like Slifer.
What a shame for TY, best player of 2017, who made consecutive Blizzcon appearances since 2016 isn't making it... And he isn't doing that bad lately. Happy for Classic, he truly deserves it + Show Spoiler +
On October 16 2019 02:45 Pandemona wrote: Would be a bit of a blow now if he fails to get out of his group lol. Wish him the best though as this is probably the last time we see Classic play SC2 for a while.
once dude joins the army, its very unlikely that he will try to compete again... thats why i want the old man in blizzcon moar
Hate to say it but I think a lot of people feel like me that current state of Zerg kinda draws away from the epicness of it all. Would have loved to see Maru and Serral play when the meta was more even
Group A: Dark ans SoO destroy the group, ezpz Group B: Serral smashes the group while Maru looses his first match just in TIME to avoid giving us a Maru-Serral winners match. Maru qualifies vs Stats in a close match. Group C: Classis wins (why not?) and herO eliminates Reynor to qualify. Group D: Rogue and Neeb qualify both narrowly vs Elazer.
Therefore 4 Zergs, 3 Protoss and 1 Terran in RO8, 2 foreigners and 6 koreans.
as much as I would like to see Ty at the tournament, it sure would've been a shitty way for it to happen. glad Classic can go out on his terms and collect some cash in the process.
Group A: Dark and SpeCial - I mean, I know soO is great but special seems to always makes it far in the global finals Group B: Stats/Serral - Maru is in potato mode and TIME... well, F Group C: Classic/Reynor - unless herO can cheese Classic in PvP and beat Reynor with early 2 base timings Group D: Trap/Rogue - I think Elazer hasn't played well in the latest WCS, Neeb has the potential to take a series off Trap/Rogue but I don't expect him to beat both in a row so I don't have much hope for the foreigners in this group
On October 16 2019 10:42 Darkness2k11 wrote: Group A: Dark and SpeCial - I mean, I know soO is great but special seems to always makes it far in the global finals Group B: Stats/Serral - Maru is in potato mode and TIME... well, F Group C: Classic/Reynor - unless herO can cheese Classic in PvP and beat Reynor with early 2 base timings Group D: Trap/Rogue - I think Elazer hasn't played well in the latest WCS, Neeb has the potential to take a series off Trap/Rogue but I don't expect him to beat both in a row so I don't have much hope for the foreigners in this group
on paper these predictions seem the most realistic but I feel like herO will make it out of his group. I don't remember who said it, but herO apparently is in really good PvZ form so I think he has a good chance.
On October 15 2019 18:27 DieuCure wrote: Awful for TY.
If Classic somehow wins it all, he better fucking dedicate it to TY.
Why would Classic dedicate anything to TY? It's not like he got in because of something TY did. Classic literally owes him nothing in regards of being able to participate....
On October 15 2019 18:27 DieuCure wrote: Awful for TY.
If Classic somehow wins it all, he better fucking dedicate it to TY.
Why would Classic dedicate anything to TY? It's not like he got in because of something TY did. Classic literally owes him nothing in regards of being able to participate....
Yeah, the other way around it would actually make sense.
grats classic! sorry to ty, but classic did get more points to it's not really that much of a shaft. i love ty as much as the next guy but one got more points..
Classic should actually be grateful for the person in KESPA for getting him to travel to pull this off. So it may be best for him to dedicate it to that person instead.
I'm still salty as fuck though, TY getting shut down 4-0 by Dark so recently and basically having his status in question due to Classic's own issues. Korean Terrans represented by literally Maru. I get it that life isn't fair, but a situation like that seems bullshit regardless.
Either way, I expect Serral to mop up and destroy everyone.
On October 16 2019 16:44 yoshi245 wrote: I'm still salty as fuck though, TY getting shut down 4-0 by Dark so recently and basically having his status in question due to Classic's own issues. Korean Terrans represented by literally Maru. I get it that life isn't fair, but a situation like that seems bullshit regardless.
It actually was fair this one time. Which is why it's Classic at Blizzcon.
On October 16 2019 16:44 yoshi245 wrote: I'm still salty as fuck though, TY getting shut down 4-0 by Dark so recently and basically having his status in question due to Classic's own issues. Korean Terrans represented by literally Maru. I get it that life isn't fair, but a situation like that seems bullshit regardless.
It actually was fair this one time. Which is why it's Classic at Blizzcon.
why are ppl mad about Classic over TY when there's 5 players between them
This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Is it just my imagination, or was herO playing better PvP than Classic at the last Super Tournament? That was unusual to see, but maybe Classic was just having an off day and I shouldn't look into it too much. I'm sure he'll be back in form come Blizzcon.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
It will be major upset if Serral cannot advance from this group of death.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
On October 16 2019 23:30 Noonius wrote: hah, no Korean terrans. But sucks for TY
Very happy for Classic. It's hard to imagine Blizzard still supporting sc2 to the same capacity in 2021. Glad Classic is getting this opportunity while it's still here.
On October 17 2019 08:33 MarianoSC2 wrote: Oh boy Serral is in real trouble. Yes, his race is OP, but I just dont see him beating Maru in a BO5 and beating Stats twice
Are you sure Serral is the one who is in trouble? Stats and Maru are very tough opponents, two he has even map score against; I am quite sure they would avoid Serral if they could.
First of all, his skill is more than enough to carry him regardless of Zerg's balance; these pitiful tentatives of portraying Serral as the favourite because Zerg is strong right now just ignore the fact that he is because he is the best and it has widely demonstrated it in twelve months before last patch.
If you can't see Serral advancing as first, the problem is yours(it's a solid possibility); also, to advance as second he would only need to beat Maru or Stats, once.
I’m just happy that for the most part the most deserving players got in. Classic IS more deserving than TY (I like both of them) but I also like people getting chances they have earned.
The only real dispute I can think of might be ShoWTimE vs Scarlett but we would be arguing over seed #16 overall so not sure how much you want to pull on that thread.
On October 17 2019 08:33 MarianoSC2 wrote: Oh boy Serral is in real trouble. Yes, his race is OP, but I just dont see him beating Maru in a BO5 and beating Stats twice
Are you sure Serral is the one who is in trouble? Stats and Maru are very tough opponents, two he has even map score against; I am quite sure they would avoid Serral if they could.
First of all, his skill is more than enough to carry him regardless of Zerg's balance; these pitiful tentatives of portraying Serral as the favourite because Zerg is strong right now just ignore the fact that he is because he is the best and it has widely demonstrated it in twelve months before last patch.
If you can't see Serral advancing as first, the problem is yours(it's a solid possibility); also, to advance as second he would only need to beat Maru or Stats, once.
When did Maru play Serral outside of WESG last year (3-0 Maru) and gsl vs the world team match (1-0 Serral)? I need to watch this to feed my rising hype! Orr are u counting 18 katowice quals that Maru played from Kr lmao?
I’ve been compiling a list of all SC2 player results since the beginning of the year (this includes HSC XVIII from November since it took place after BlizzCon)
These rankings add up all WCS Points on the year: points were also tallied based on the results of HSC, WESG and GSL vs The World. Foreigners who participated in Code S also got points.
Maybe this will give us a better picture of where players actually stand going into BlizzCon? Can’t hurt.
1. Serral 2. Dark 3. Reynor (tie) 3. Trap (tie) 5. Maru 6. Classic 7. soO 8. Stats 9. Neeb 10. INnoVation 11. SpeCial 12. Rogue 13. TY 14. herO 15. Elazer 16. Zest 17. HeRoMaRinE 18. TIME 19. Solar 20. Dear 21. Scarlett 22. GuMiho 23. RagnaroK 24. ShoWTimE 25. Hurricane
Based on rankings here, Serral, Dark, Reynor and Trap all advance in 1st. ShoWTimE, TIME, herO and Elazer all go out first.
So that leaves the double matches: SpeCial vs soO, Maru vs Stats, Classic vs HeRoMaRinE and Neeb vs Rogue. Can these eight survive not one but two Bo5s?
On October 17 2019 13:01 StarcraftSquall wrote: I’m just happy that for the most part the most deserving players got in. Classic IS more deserving than TY (I like both of them) but I also like people getting chances they have earned.
The only real dispute I can think of might be ShoWTimE vs Scarlett but we would be arguing over seed #16 overall so not sure how much you want to pull on that thread.
What dispute? Showtime is a solid 650 points above Scarlett. Even if she played WCS Spring challenger and main event, her other results point to aditional points between 240 and 440. Still far away from the #8 spot
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
On October 15 2019 22:20 Akio wrote: Super tragic for TY. Also now TIME is officially the biggest dark horse of the tournament.
No hope at all. Honestly, as a Chinese player, I have the comprehensive acquaintance with TIME. His level is about 6400MMR to 6500MMR in Korean serve. The weak mind and the poor experience is the biggest problem for him. Though he has the well done basic skill and macro/micromanagement. Facing these three powerful opponents, I prefer to believe that he will lose because of the weaknesses above. He still has a long way to go.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
My questions is: what has anything of that to do with Maru's ability to play 2-3 Bo5's in one day? You confuse me I haven't made the slightest statement towards any kind of balance. Maybe you should learn to read yourself...
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
Rogue didn't say anything about ZvT being imbalanced in zerg's favor.
Serral only said that Zerg lategame is advantaged only if Zerg plays perfectly....who plays perfectly? In the same statement he also said it's very easy for Zerg to lose thanks to ghosts.
TvZ is terran favored imo. Including lategame. And maru is a TvZ monster. Meanwhile Serral's biggest wins were mainly at the expense of Protoss and Zerg players.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
My questions is: what has anything of that to do with Maru's ability to play 2-3 Bo5's in one day? You confuse me
The effort it took for Maru to beat Dark is not something he's holding up for 3 bo5s. You can't play out of your mind and drive games to exhaustion more than once or twice a series.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
TvZ is terran favored imo. Including lategame.
Lmao, outside of Maru what terrans are winning lategames vs Z? I don't know if I've seen any of the foreign terrans (special, time, heromarine, uthermal) do it.
On October 17 2019 13:01 StarcraftSquall wrote: I’m just happy that for the most part the most deserving players got in. Classic IS more deserving than TY (I like both of them) but I also like people getting chances they have earned.
The only real dispute I can think of might be ShoWTimE vs Scarlett but we would be arguing over seed #16 overall so not sure how much you want to pull on that thread.
Scarlett really hasn’t had a great year, her reputation tends to outweigh her results if one was to go and look at them, although she’s still a great player.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
My questions is: what has anything of that to do with Maru's ability to play 2-3 Bo5's in one day? You confuse me
The effort it took for Maru to beat Dark is not something he's holding up for 3 bo5s. You can't play out of your mind and drive games to exhaustion more than once or twice a series.
I don’t think exhaustion is going to be the factor, it’s just a really difficult, high risk, high reward kind of style that’s really unforgiving and you can’t really make too many mistakes at all, whereas your opponent has some wriggle room.
The odd time in tennis or golf a player just goes for it and plays for the risky shots and blows their opponents away, but it rarely is sustainable over a full match/round, never mind a full tournament.
I think Maru’s got a shot for sure, but not if he tries to play for the lategame every single game. One of his sets against Ragnarok was probably the best lategame ZvT I’ve seen in quite some time, but Serral and Dark are a step up again.
Very excited to see what everyone brings to the table anyway!
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
My questions is: what has anything of that to do with Maru's ability to play 2-3 Bo5's in one day? You confuse me
The effort it took for Maru to beat Dark is not something he's holding up for 3 bo5s. You can't play out of your mind and drive games to exhaustion more than once or twice a series.
And Dark played that game with mouse only? I get the argument per se, I just don't understand why it only applies to Maru. Sure it is rather ominous that most of the prominent cases of wrist issues are Terran ( MVP, Taeja, Maru), but I think if you play a taxing and close game, both parties are rather exhausted
EDIT: I mean it IS the group Bonjwa , chances are that the winner of the whole thing is in that group, so everyone has to play their best right from the getgo
TvZ is terran favored imo. Including lategame. And maru is a TvZ monster. Meanwhile Serral's biggest wins were mainly at the expense of Protoss and Zerg players.
According to recent tournaments, top zergs almost never lose to terrans. The opposite is not true.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
TvZ is terran favored imo. Including lategame.
Lmao, outside of Maru what terrans are winning lategames vs Z? I don't know if I've seen any of the foreign terrans (special, time, heromarine, uthermal) do it.
Theyre doing it in droves.
Dark lost to Keen in the lategame just now in code S s3.
Time beat soO in the lategame in GSL vs the World
Heromarine beat elazer’s lategame WCS summer
Heromarine vs reynor (i think he did it a couple of times vs reynor, the one i remember was wcs winter though)
special vs reynor in gsl vs the world
soul vs lambo in WCS challenger
soul vs reynor in WCS fall eu qualifiers
Masa vs scarlett recently in WCS
Heromarine vs lambo in wcs summer
Soul vs namshar in sc2 royal
Then you have the early 2019 games like Gumiho beating Serral in IEM and Fantasy beating Leenock in Code S S1
On October 15 2019 18:27 DieuCure wrote: Awful for TY.
If Classic somehow wins it all, he better fucking dedicate it to TY.
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Nice try buddy. it should be, if TY wins, he dedicates it to Classic. Classic was there either way he doesn't own TY shit.
On October 18 2019 20:06 Slydie wrote: No Terran in the Ro8 it is, then. Time for some buffs, if nothing else than just to challenge the best Zergs and mix up the tournament results a bit.
The TvX matchups are also fairly appreciated among Z/P viewers afaik.
Big Gabe will become HUUGEEE Gabe and Major SpeCial will deliver us some fine planned All-Ins. You just wait for it
Oh and Maru will obviously be in the top 8, doing Maru things and attacking with a 14 pronged attack
On October 18 2019 20:06 Slydie wrote: No Terran in the Ro8 it is, then. Time for some buffs, if nothing else than just to challenge the best Zergs and mix up the tournament results a bit.
The TvX matchups are also fairly appreciated among Z/P viewers afaik.
Big Gabe will become HUUGEEE Gabe and Major SpeCial will deliver us some fine planned All-Ins. You just wait for it
Oh and Maru will obviously be in the top 8, doing Maru things and attacking with a 14 pronged attack
I really hope Maru doesn’t bring what he brought to GSL vs the World and brings something approaching his best
I have no real preferences over who advances from the group of death my main hope is all those guys bring their absolute A game.
Shame there aren’t more Korean Terrans but there could have been. Whether people think the game is balanced or not Innovation did not have a good year at all, TY has been really impressive the last few months he just hit form a little too late sadly.
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
My questions is: what has anything of that to do with Maru's ability to play 2-3 Bo5's in one day? You confuse me I haven't made the slightest statement towards any kind of balance. Maybe you should learn to read yourself...
You did. See the bolded part in your post. The rest was already answered.
On October 18 2019 20:06 Slydie wrote: No Terran in the Ro8 it is, then. Time for some buffs, if nothing else than just to challenge the best Zergs and mix up the tournament results a bit.
The TvX matchups are also fairly appreciated among Z/P viewers afaik.
There won't be any reasonable buffs. I repeated it after ST1, GSL S2 and then most of the people stopped posting this when they saw Blizzard don't care
On October 16 2019 18:32 FuRong wrote: This is the way it should be, but it's unfortunate that this leaves group B unchanged.
It's pretty brutal that (at least) one out of Stats, Maru and Serral will be out before the quarterfinals. And with Stats as the biggest threat to Serral in the whole tournament (based on past record) and Maru still the de facto best Terran in the world (despite underperforming in weekenders), there is a decent chance that player will be Serral.
At the same time we're in a zerg favoring state of the game, so Serral has the power of balance on his side. (especially considering the recent results - 2 GSL, ST, WCS, GSL vs tW) And it's not like he himself didn't say so
Well Maru just won a 25min war of attrition against Dark, both playing standard (Bio vs Ling/Bling/Muta)
Yeah, how many games can you win like this in 3 BO5? Let's say it's just 3 3:0s, if every game takes 20 minutes we're talking about what, 3 hours of gaming? Are Maru's wrist ready for this? I believe they're not.
What are you saying? If you want to be champ you have to win a lot of games in row. If he can't do that it has nothing to do with your believe that Zerg is imba....
Did you read what I write?
It's Serral and Rogue who said zerg imba It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
My questions is: what has anything of that to do with Maru's ability to play 2-3 Bo5's in one day? You confuse me I haven't made the slightest statement towards any kind of balance. Maybe you should learn to read yourself...
You did. See the bolded part in your post. The rest was already answered.
On October 18 2019 20:06 Slydie wrote: No Terran in the Ro8 it is, then. Time for some buffs, if nothing else than just to challenge the best Zergs and mix up the tournament results a bit.
The TvX matchups are also fairly appreciated among Z/P viewers afaik.
There won't be any reasonable buffs. I repeated it after ST1, GSL S2 and then most of the people stopped posting this when they saw Blizzard don't care
They got buffs, just ones that have been impactful in vP. Which was what race everyone was complaining about at the time and less so about Zerg.
On October 19 2019 08:33 fgonzo wrote: Here are my predictions:
Group A Dark 2-0 Showtime Soo 1-2 Special Dark 2-0 Special Soo 2-1 Showtime Special 2-1 Soo
Dark and Special advance
Group B Maru 1-2 Time Stats 1-2 Serral Time 0-2 Serral Maru 2-1 Stats Maru 2-1 Time
Serral and Maru advance
Group C Classic 2-0 Heromarine Hero 1-2 Reynor Classic 2-1 Reynor Hero 2-1 Heromarine Reynor 2-1 Hero
Classic and Reynor advance
Group D Trap 2-0 Elazer Rogue 2-1 Neeb Trap 0-2 Rogue Elazer 0-2 Neeb Trap 2-1 Neeb
Trap and Rogue advance
imagine a world where time takes a single map off maru ever. these two are not close in skill level at all.
Imagine being a super exhalted fanboy of Maru and not knowing TIME actually beat Maru 3-2 once; this could lead to nonsensical comments like the one above.
Thus said, Maru is considerably favored over TIME.
On October 21 2019 07:40 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: Is the final round of 8, all held in 1 day? that's what liquipedia has....thought it was round of 8 on Friday, then semi and finals on Saturday...??
I think it is held in 1 day. It's gonna be crazy lol.
I just realized I can't watch this weekend. Which is bad, cause TL writers are so freaking fast with their articles that I can't visit TL fearing I'll be spoilered.
Then I vaguely remembered some button that makes TL spoiler free or sth? Where is that damn button? ^_^
On October 21 2019 19:03 Harris1st wrote: I just realized I can't watch this weekend. Which is bad, cause TL writers are so freaking fast with their articles that I can't visit TL fearing I'll be spoilered.
Then I vaguely remembered some button that makes TL spoiler free or sth? Where is that damn button? ^_^
On October 19 2019 08:33 fgonzo wrote: Here are my predictions:
Group A Dark 2-0 Showtime Soo 1-2 Special Dark 2-0 Special Soo 2-1 Showtime Special 2-1 Soo
Dark and Special advance
Group B Maru 1-2 Time Stats 1-2 Serral Time 0-2 Serral Maru 2-1 Stats Maru 2-1 Time
Serral and Maru advance
Group C Classic 2-0 Heromarine Hero 1-2 Reynor Classic 2-1 Reynor Hero 2-1 Heromarine Reynor 2-1 Hero
Classic and Reynor advance
Group D Trap 2-0 Elazer Rogue 2-1 Neeb Trap 0-2 Rogue Elazer 0-2 Neeb Trap 2-1 Neeb
Trap and Rogue advance
imagine a world where time takes a single map off maru ever. these two are not close in skill level at all.
Imagine being a super exhalted fanboy of Maru and not knowing TIME actually beat Maru 3-2 once; this could lead to nonsensical comments like the one above.
Thus said, Maru is considerably favored over TIME.
On October 19 2019 08:33 fgonzo wrote: Here are my predictions:
Group A Dark 2-0 Showtime Soo 1-2 Special Dark 2-0 Special Soo 2-1 Showtime Special 2-1 Soo
Dark and Special advance
Group B Maru 1-2 Time Stats 1-2 Serral Time 0-2 Serral Maru 2-1 Stats Maru 2-1 Time
Serral and Maru advance
Group C Classic 2-0 Heromarine Hero 1-2 Reynor Classic 2-1 Reynor Hero 2-1 Heromarine Reynor 2-1 Hero
Classic and Reynor advance
Group D Trap 2-0 Elazer Rogue 2-1 Neeb Trap 0-2 Rogue Elazer 0-2 Neeb Trap 2-1 Neeb
Trap and Rogue advance
It's going to be bo5 even in groupstage, you migh need to revise your predictions!
Thanks for informing me.
Then add +1 (on both sides) to each 2-1, and +1 to only the winner on the 2-0 matches. Yeah I realize that there will be at least a 3-1, but I'm too lazy to fix everything.
But the outcomes will be the same I think
On October 21 2019 07:40 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: Is the final round of 8, all held in 1 day? that's what liquipedia has....thought it was round of 8 on Friday, then semi and finals on Saturday...??
Budget for WCS was probably cut and they needed the stage for something else.
EPT
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Poor TIME.
It's not me thinking it, if you don't believe Serral and Rogue who should you? I certainly won't believe you.
