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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 13 2019 10:16 DomeGetta wrote: Serral is definitely favored head to head vs dark. KR ZvZ has been behind Eu ZvZ for a while now based on Serral raising the overall level of the matchup on Eu. However, in my mind that doesnt make him a bigger favorite to win blizzcon - even in the current state of the game. Darks ZvT is the best in the world imo (3-1 Maru 4-0 TY vs Serral having much more competitive series with TY and Inno) I also like him better in matchups vs Kr Toss than Serral. In terms of overall year performance I have to give the edge to Dark who had the better year. Serral was eliminated from WESG in the finals by innovation..a player who didnt even qualify for blizzcon (due to playing in a much more competitive overall region). He also lost to Reynor twice in WCS events and soO (who is definitely this year in worse form than Dark). I see Serral/Reynor/Rogue as Darks opportunities for elimination @ blizzcon while I see Stats/Maru/Rogue/Trap/Classic/Reynor all having potential for eliminating Serral. Overall Serral is very obviously the best ZvZ player in the world right now but I think in terms of overall you would have to give Dark an edge. One Kr Terran qualifying for blizzcon and the fact that Serral is a big favorite in a head to head matchup however makes me put the odds at a coinflip between which one of them wins it. When soO and Innovation defeated Serral in March, they were in a much better shape than they are right now; if the same Inno showed up for the rest of the year, be sure he would have qualified for Global Finals, GSL as a region has nothing to do with that. Dark performed has been playing at quite high level for the whole year but had an outstanding performance at Super Tournament(that made him seem godlike but is he, really?) ZvP seems to favor Zerg at the moment, Dark is performing better than usual in the matchup; in ZvT he actually seems shakier than he used to be, he looked unstoppable at ST finally beating Maru and destroying TY, but before that he barely edged out Keen, Fantasy and TY. He may or may not be stronger than Serral in those matchups, I personally think he isn't. ZvZ is no contest, as you said. Trap and Classic beating Serral? It's possible, of course, but it doesn't seem more likely than one of them beating Dark. Maru and Stats always made Dark sweat, they have more than a chance of eliminating him. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On October 13 2019 10:50 BisuDagger wrote: Dark is player of the year imo. Especially if he wins blizzcon. Crucial ZvZ losses are the only reason why he doesn't have more golds. If he can focus strictly on that matchup then he will be the global champion. I think frontrunners for player are: 1. Serral 2. Dark 3. Classic 4. Stats 5. Maru 6. Rogue I think winner of BlizzCon has a good claim to it if it's one of the above players. Some dependence on where the above end up, e.g if Dark is 2nd and Rogue wins I'd say Dark overall. Serral probably could be player of the year with only a semi finals run imo | ||
Waxangel
United States33713 Posts
On October 13 2019 12:24 Dave4 wrote: I think frontrunners for player are: 1. Serral 2. Dark 3. Classic 4. Stats 5. Maru 6. Rogue I think winner of BlizzCon has a good claim to it if it's one of the above players. Some dependence on where the above end up, e.g if Dark is 2nd and Rogue wins I'd say Dark overall. Serral probably could be player of the year with only a semi finals run imo might be better to make a list of players who wouldn't win Player of the Year even if they did win BlizzCon  | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On October 13 2019 13:07 dysenterymd wrote: Serral's been eliminated from five tournaments this year, exclusively by the future champions. By contrast, Dark has been eliminated six times, and only once by the future champion. He was eliminated by Stats in IEM (who didn't go on to win), Serral in WESG (who didn't go on to win), Classic in GSL (who didn't go on to win), Gumiho in ST 1 (who didn't go on to win), Elazer in GSL vs the world (who didn't g utho on to win), and finally Rogue in GSL who did go on to win. Serral's losses to Reynor could be considered less excusable, but then again, I think Reynor/Dark would be 50/50. While Serral has not been as dominant as last year, you need to be in championship form to beat him, which is not true of Dark. This is pretty hand wavey imo. You cant make the same arguement for WCS region as you can for Kr based tournaments. There is best case scenario 2 tournament champion contenders in WCS tournaments. GSL its about 50 percent of the field. Losing to Classic / Stats and Serral is losing to tournament champion contenders period. Whether they went on to win the tournament or not is irrelevant because presumably in these tournaments the players left are also tournament contending champions. In WCS yes very obviously if Serral didnt win Reynor was going to. The loss to Elazer is the only shocking one for Dark and as we have talked to death its his worst matchup so not that big of a surprise. If Stats beats soO in katowice your arguement is backwards etc. This is a normal part of tournaments when the field is full of contenders vs. just a couple. In contrast. Serral in tournaments w top kr entrants this year: 1 win and 3 losses (and asus rog really only a handful of top kr players entered) Dark 2 wins and 5 losses so looking a lot closer here. | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1972 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
"Year after year, It's been the same story: Dark is the fire-breathing dragon in someone else's fairy tale. Even as the 2019 Global Finals beckons as the opportunity for ultimate redemption, I have to wonder whose turn it will be to plunge his sword past Dark's armored scales and into his heart, and by his blood be anointed. If there's a chance that this year is any different, it will be because Dark is no longer the most terrifying monster in the dungeon." Love it!  My hopes are still put to the scenario where Blizzcon Ro4 group would be containing only top Zergs, Dark naturally being one of them. That, Not because I wouldn't like see other matchups too, but because that way we all would need hear LESS imba whining afterwards about legitimacy of the title, it's worth and prestige as the race balance aspect would've then removed from the last phases of the tournament, reducing (or should I say, ascending) competition to a question of pure skill and grit between mechanically balanced, symmetric matchups. Reynor -Dark Serral - Rogue A series of dragon fights in a dungeon for who is the most terrifying. In good fantasy literature you however cannot ever know what is going to happen, and its very well possible there will be PvT Ro4 carnivals of joy and happiness when these kind of Hobbits gather around the village oak to wonder how they even managed to travel so near Isengard across all that damn creep. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On October 13 2019 23:38 Elentos wrote: You're absolutely crazy to think people wouldn't whine about a Zerg winning Blizzcon from an all-Zerg Ro4. Yeah. I maybe crazy, but at least nobody could use imba-arguments and depict race imbalance as a deciding factor of a result of the Finals matchup. No doubt, there will be enormous crying all around, but that gonna happen in every conceivable scenario anyway. I only hope that who ever the Blizzcon champion will be, he is not obliged to cater public opinion by downplaying his own achievement. And that kind of purity of victory can be achieved only if Finals are mirror matchup, ZvZ being currently most probable scenario for that due obvious reasons. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On October 13 2019 23:43 UnLarva wrote: Yeah. I maybe crazy, but at least nobody could use imba-arguments and depict race imbalance as a deciding factor of a result of the Finals matchup. No doubt, there will be enormous crying all around, but that gonna happen in every conceivable scenario anyway. I only hope that who ever the Blizzcon champion will be, he is not obliged to cater public opinion by downplaying his own achievement. And that kind of purity of victory can be achieved only if Finals are mirror matchup, ZvZ being currently most probable scenario for that due obvious reasons. Wait, you are saying that it's good that Zerg is OP, because then the tournament winner won't win due to imbalance? | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On October 14 2019 00:01 Ej_ wrote: Wait, you are saying that it's good that Zerg is OP, because then the tournament winner won't win due to imbalance? No, its not good that any race is OP. And what comes to imbalance favoring Zerg, Serral has indicated that indirectly, and Rogue has said it openly. I just take their comments as face value. Otherwise I think my comments above doesn't require any further explanations about their rationale. | ||
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terribleplayer1
95 Posts
GSL vs World was 2 Zerg in ro8. Issue is you still need to be really good as Zerg to do well in current meta, which wasnt the case with the Protoss 2 base all ins earlier in the year (7 of 8 Protoss in a ro8). | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7445 Posts
Brings some personality to the table | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 13 2019 10:50 BisuDagger wrote: Dark is player of the year imo. Especially if he wins blizzcon. Crucial ZvZ losses are the only reason why he doesn't have more golds. If he can focus strictly on that matchup then he will be the global champion. He should have been player of the year in 2016 as well but TL seems to weight the blizzcon title very heavily. Although they didn't give POTY to Rogue in 2017, who by 2016/2018 standards would have won it as well. As far as this year goes, he definitely wins WeSG, GSL vs The World, and GSL season 3 if not for his ZvZ. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 14 2019 23:28 Fango wrote: He should have been player of the year in 2016 as well but TL seems to weight the blizzcon title very heavily. Although they didn't give POTY to Rogue in 2017, who by 2016/2018 standards would have won it as well. As far as this year goes, he definitely wins WeSG, GSL vs The World, and GSL season 3 if not for his ZvZ. Lol, just no. AT WESG, Zerg had no real answer to Terran's nukespam in the lategame, Inno would have won that title anyway. Dark was eliminated in the ro16 at GSL vs the World, there is no way he "definitely" wins it. Given Trap's PvZ, Dark would have most likely beaten him again in the finals. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On October 14 2019 23:52 Xain0n wrote: AT WESG, Zerg had no real answer to Terran's nukespam in the lategame, Inno would have won that title anyway. Inno just barely beat Serral, who was ill during the entirety of WESG, because the build orders ended up working out in his favor. There was only 1 late game with nukes, and Serral won that. I'm pretty confident Inno would have never reached the finals if he had to play Dark in the Ro8 (whereas I think it's still likely Serral would have made it to the finals playing Lambo and Maru). He lost to soO in Code S, then Solar, Rogue and Ragnarok at IEM. The matches vs Serral are basically his only high profile TvZ wins all year. | ||
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fgonzo
108 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 15 2019 01:53 Elentos wrote: Inno just barely beat Serral, who was ill during the entirety of WESG, because the build orders ended up working out in his favor. There was only 1 late game with nukes, and Serral won that. Don't you think it's ironic you feel the need of telling this to me? Serral should have won, we agree. If you had expressed that opinion right after WESG you would have been accused of looking for excuses. In my opinion, Inno would have beaten Dark; if they faced in the ro8, Dark wouldn't have won the tournament anyway since he would have met Maru. In any of case, Dark hypothetically having a godlike ZvZ wouldn't have necessarily led to a WESG title as Fango implies. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On October 15 2019 02:13 fgonzo wrote: Where are those flipping cards with the players' headshots? Most importantly, where's the medieval fantasy fanfic? | ||
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