EPTThe last time INnoVation beat Dark in a series, was when the Terran won GSL in 2017.
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Ej_
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The last time INnoVation beat Dark in a series, was when the Terran won GSL in 2017. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 14 2019 23:52 Xain0n wrote: Lol, just no. AT WESG, Zerg had no real answer to Terran's nukespam in the lategame, Inno would have won that title anyway. Dark was eliminated in the ro16 at GSL vs the World, there is no way he "definitely" wins it. Given Trap's PvZ, Dark would have most likely beaten him again in the finals. You can't be serious with this one. Do you really have the mindset that because Serral lost to INno that any other zerg would? "no real answer to terran's nukespam" where the hell is this coming from? The only game at WeSG that even went to the lategame Serral won. Dark even 3-0'd INno in the WeSG Korea qualifiers, and also won his last 8 series against INno. While INno has lost almost every high profile TvZ this year outside of vs Serral. As for GSL vs the World, imagine thinking Dark wouldn't beat TIME and Neeb.... | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On October 15 2019 12:13 Fango wrote: You can't be serious with this one. Do you really have the mindset that because Serral lost to INno that any other zerg would? "no real answer to terran's nukespam" where the hell is this coming from? The only game at WeSG that even went to the lategame Serral won. Dark even 3-0'd INno in the WeSG Korea qualifiers, and also won his last 8 series against INno. While INno has lost almost every high profile TvZ this year outside of vs Serral. As for GSL vs the World, imagine thinking Dark wouldn't beat TIME and Neeb.... Serral's has 58.62% (62.69% overall) ZvT win rate against Koreans offline from beginning of this year while Dark has 71.1% ZvT winrate (68.80% overall) in same period. Serral did have tougher Korean opponents but 12% difference is very significant. Rogue has 67.65% vs-Korean offline winrate this year too and 66.67% in ZvT (although he only played 27 ZvT games). Serral is still the favourite to win and his odds of doing so are probably close to as good as in 2018. However, I would say the Korean playing field this year is a lot more level so there are more competitors that will give him a run for his money. | ||
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DomeGetta
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[QUOTE]On October 15 2019 12:13 Fango wrote: [QUOTE]On October 14 2019 23:52 Xain0n wrote: [QUOTE]On October 14 2019 23:28 Fango wrote: [QUOTE]On October 13 2019 10:50 BisuDagger wrote: Dark is player of the year imo. Especially if he wins blizzcon. Crucial ZvZ losses are the only reason why he doesn't have more golds. If he can focus strictly on that matchup then he will be the global champion.[/QUOTE] He should have been player of the year in 2016 as well but TL seems to weight the blizzcon title very heavily. Although they didn't give POTY to Rogue in 2017, who by 2016/2018 standards would have won it as well. As far as this year goes, he definitely wins WeSG, GSL vs The World, and GSL season 3 if not for his ZvZ. [/QUOTE] Lol, just no. AT WESG, Zerg had no real answer to Terran's nukespam in the lategame, Inno would have won that title anyway. Dark was eliminated in the ro16 at GSL vs the World, there is no way he "definitely" wins it. Given Trap's PvZ, Dark would have most likely beaten him again in the finals. [/QUOTE] You can't be serious with this one. Do you really have the mindset that because Serral lost to INno that any other zerg would? "no real answer to terran's nukespam" where the hell is this coming from? The only game at WeSG that even went to the lategame Serral won. Dark even 3-0'd INno in the WeSG Korea qualifiers, and also won his last 8 series against INno. While INno has lost almost every high profile TvZ this year outside of vs Serral. As for GSL vs the World, imagine thinking Dark wouldn't beat TIME and Neeb.... Serral's has 58.62% (62.69% overall) ZvT win rate against Koreans offline from beginning of this year while Dark has 71.1% ZvT winrate (68.80% overall) in same period. Serral did have tougher Korean opponents but 12% difference is very significant. I think Dark would have beaten INnoVation 4-2 in WESG finals tbh, especially considering he 3-0'd him in the qualifiers. [QUOTE/] It makes very good sense that Dark should have stronger ZvT and ZvP(to a lesser degree) for the same reason that Serral has stronger ZvZ. Its the strength of their competiton based on region lock. Imagine trying to practice for ZvT as Serral..or even ZvZ as Dark(to a lesser degree). Theres maybe 1 or 2 players Dark can go to getting good work and its not Serral level...its even worse for Serral - there is no one on Eu that can even be put in the same class as Maru or Inno when hes in form. I would honestly be curious what he does. Its like no one pointed out that region lock will slow the overall evolution of the game or something...darwin who? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Does your mental exercise consist of removing Serral or giving Dark an autowin over him? In the first case, Dark should have defeated Classic at GSL vs the World, not an easy task; if you choose the second option, I agree he would most likely have beaten TIME(whose TvZ was on fire in August) and Neeb. Dark being better than Serral in ZvT and ZvP because of the environment would indeed make perfect sense. However, how would you explain Serral having by far the best ZvP in the world last year when he was dominating? I understand why you guys think Dark's ZvT is superior(I am less impressed by it this year, look at the series against Keen and Fantasy for example) but I fail to see why you consider his ZvP to be better. Because he defeated Stats once? As for koreans fielded at BlizzCon being scarier this year(for Serral, especially), I don't think so. Maru is significantly worse than last year, the same goes for Stats(even if he fares better against Serral); Zerg are stronger, Dark and Rogue are indeed scarier(but Serral should have the upper hand anyway in a mirror) while soO seems out of shape. Protoss are struggling this patch so while Trap and herO should probably be scarier now than sOs and Zest last year, their chances appear to be slim. Classic's 2019 was arguably better than his 2018 but at the moment he doesn't look scarier than he was last year. TY seemed definitely stronger in 2018. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
He would have exited the hero if he played T or P, but he won as the Terrifying monster, which is something. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On November 02 2019 15:58 BerserkSword wrote: greatest peak in LotV history It's an amazing peak but greater than Maru winning 4 GSLs in a row? Not at all | ||
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narusensei22
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Anc13nt
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On November 02 2019 16:08 Charoisaur wrote: It's an amazing peak but greater than Maru winning 4 GSLs in a row? Not at all yeah I'd say it's on the level of Rogue and INnoVation's peak. | ||
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Anc13nt
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TheOneAboveU
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Ej_
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On November 02 2019 18:04 Anc13nt wrote: As a total noob in this game and fan of Dark, I wonder what are the aspects of Dark's gameplay that make him so good at this game. It's easier to pinpoint why for players like INnovation, Maru and Serral, who have unrelenting macro, really good micro and multitasking respectively. For Dark, he just makes his opponents look pretty bad, kind of like Rogue. He clicks fast and accurately. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
I guess then the answer is to win without playing a game against him | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
On November 02 2019 19:49 Akio wrote: Congrats to Dark! I think even though he had been smashing Korea during the latter half of this year, a lot pf people including myself were counting him out of winning BlizzCon due to his bad record against Serral. I guess then the answer is to win without playing a game against him Let aside the history between Dark and Serral, from what i saw today, Serral would have had no chance vs Dark if he'd won vs Reynor in the semi. | ||
hexhaven
Finland966 Posts
On November 03 2019 00:32 parksonsc wrote: Let aside the history between Dark and Serral, from what i saw today, Serral would have had no chance vs Dark if he'd won vs Reynor in the semi. I think a Serral vs Dark BO7 series would've been way more interesting than a Reynor vs Dark BO7 series that we ended up with. Serral usually knows how to adapt during a series. Having said that, I'm really looking forward to what Reynor will come up with next year. Possible 2020 WCS champion? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 03 2019 00:32 parksonsc wrote: Let aside the history between Dark and Serral, from what i saw today, Serral would have had no chance vs Dark if he'd won vs Reynor in the semi. No chance, lol. It's more like that maybe Dark would have had a real shot against Serral this time, but I'm not even sure of that. | ||
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Ej_
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On November 03 2019 01:09 Xain0n wrote: No chance, lol. It's more like that maybe Dark would have had a real shot against Serral this time, but I'm not even sure of that. Serral couldn't get through the guy that was destroyed by Dark so we will never know! | ||
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