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On August 30 2019 18:14 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 18:07 Haukinger wrote:
That's why blizzard is against hacks in the first place, pay-to-win is a market, and they begrudge the programmers their revenue. The only grotesque thing in this that they don't include the features of the hacks in the game in the first place. It's not like the hacks change the rules like making units invulnerable, it's just quality-of-life improvements. lol imagine Blizz would sell those hacks themselves. You like the game but hate injecting? Buy auto-inject for 3,99 a month You hate it when you don't watch the screen for a second and 4 banelings blow up all your marines? Buy auto-splitt for 4,49 a month 20% of the incomes goes to the price pool of the WCS (World Cheat Series)
Don't give them ideas.
I'm scared
Actually though the UI should be better. I hate to look top right and bottom left.
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One of the best "foreign" broodwar players of all time (Testie) was originally a hacker then converted back to the light side.
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On August 30 2019 23:44 DSh1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 18:14 Harris1st wrote:On August 30 2019 18:07 Haukinger wrote:
That's why blizzard is against hacks in the first place, pay-to-win is a market, and they begrudge the programmers their revenue. The only grotesque thing in this that they don't include the features of the hacks in the game in the first place. It's not like the hacks change the rules like making units invulnerable, it's just quality-of-life improvements. lol imagine Blizz would sell those hacks themselves. You like the game but hate injecting? Buy auto-inject for 3,99 a month You hate it when you don't watch the screen for a second and 4 banelings blow up all your marines? Buy auto-splitt for 4,49 a month 20% of the incomes goes to the price pool of the WCS (World Cheat Series) Don't give them ideas. I'm scared Actually though the UI should be better. I hate to look top right and bottom left.
Well, people pay for skins which, right now, are pure eye candy. A hell lot more people would pay a hell lot more money for fixing the ui. Perhaps one should combine both of them, a spikey baneling skin brings +1 armor along, while the marines with targeting laser automatically focus banelings... not to speak of a whole new level of meta of selecting skins depending on your opponent.
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That's the worst idea yet in a topic full of bad ideas, Haukinger.  People complain about balance all the time, can't imagine what colossal complaining that would cause.. and it would probably wreck competitive play.
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On August 31 2019 01:45 Haukinger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 23:44 DSh1 wrote:On August 30 2019 18:14 Harris1st wrote:On August 30 2019 18:07 Haukinger wrote:
That's why blizzard is against hacks in the first place, pay-to-win is a market, and they begrudge the programmers their revenue. The only grotesque thing in this that they don't include the features of the hacks in the game in the first place. It's not like the hacks change the rules like making units invulnerable, it's just quality-of-life improvements. lol imagine Blizz would sell those hacks themselves. You like the game but hate injecting? Buy auto-inject for 3,99 a month You hate it when you don't watch the screen for a second and 4 banelings blow up all your marines? Buy auto-splitt for 4,49 a month 20% of the incomes goes to the price pool of the WCS (World Cheat Series) Don't give them ideas. I'm scared Actually though the UI should be better. I hate to look top right and bottom left. Well, people pay for skins which, right now, are pure eye candy. A hell lot more people would pay a hell lot more money for fixing the ui. Perhaps one should combine both of them, a spikey baneling skin brings +1 armor along, while the marines with targeting laser automatically focus banelings... not to speak of a whole new level of meta of selecting skins depending on your opponent.
This already exists. It's called Co-op and you pay for it. 
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On August 31 2019 01:45 Haukinger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 23:44 DSh1 wrote:On August 30 2019 18:14 Harris1st wrote:On August 30 2019 18:07 Haukinger wrote:
That's why blizzard is against hacks in the first place, pay-to-win is a market, and they begrudge the programmers their revenue. The only grotesque thing in this that they don't include the features of the hacks in the game in the first place. It's not like the hacks change the rules like making units invulnerable, it's just quality-of-life improvements. lol imagine Blizz would sell those hacks themselves. You like the game but hate injecting? Buy auto-inject for 3,99 a month You hate it when you don't watch the screen for a second and 4 banelings blow up all your marines? Buy auto-splitt for 4,49 a month 20% of the incomes goes to the price pool of the WCS (World Cheat Series) Don't give them ideas. I'm scared Actually though the UI should be better. I hate to look top right and bottom left. Well, people pay for skins which, right now, are pure eye candy. A hell lot more people would pay a hell lot more money for fixing the ui. Perhaps one should combine both of them, a spikey baneling skin brings +1 armor along, while the marines with targeting laser automatically focus banelings... not to speak of a whole new level of meta of selecting skins depending on your opponent.
I would probably stop playing sc2 forever and I have loved the game for 10 years almost lmao
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On August 30 2019 18:22 RatzBarcode wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 18:07 Haukinger wrote:
That's why blizzard is against hacks in the first place, pay-to-win is a market, and they begrudge the programmers their revenue. The only grotesque thing in this that they don't include the features of the hacks in the game in the first place. It's not like the hacks change the rules like making units invulnerable, it's just quality-of-life improvements. How is production hack, or vision hack, a QOL improvement?
wat
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On August 30 2019 10:11 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 03:45 TaKeTV wrote:On August 30 2019 03:29 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:15 Xamo wrote:
Wow, nice post, I would have never imagined such advanced tools.
What on Earth makes you spend $50 a month to win more in any video game? Seriously I do not get it. But if someone that does it is reading this, please realize you need help. Their lives are miserable and it's the only way to feel better about themselves. I run into all the hacks mentioned in this thread at LEAST 5 times a day. What i've learned is that they tend to go away if you just leave the game, since I'm pretty sure they're just out to make you angry. No you dont. I understand you're an organizer and selling the idea that SC2 isn't infested with hacks is one of your priorities, it drives donations for events, keeps the viewers interested, and keeps E-sports from going under. Watch the stream for a full 8 hours and see the irrefutable evidence provided 5 or more times a day. Not that you'll watch the replay since it's easier to degrade people who are less popular than you are but here's an example of a cheater I run into 5+ times a day: https://drop.sc/replay/11587896Team: <Follow>Qoas aka: Suzy (hacker) and 천재님 Team: llllllllllll(me) and 옛날유저 TR vs RR Perfect meta opens from suzy and his team mate ( unscouted ) basically they knew it was TZ vs TZ hence the 2fac/ling open. 11:44: Load up for a drop and drop the left side of the map. If you follow Qoas's camera you will see him use Camera Lock. 12:02-12:010 - Camera lock 12:10 - issues command right above team mates third base hatchery to intercept drop. Bottom side of the map has zero vision, so to move your entire army to that location with no vision of the drop is 100% map hack. Also for the record, if you check last season GM Aoa is the rank #15 grandmaster. This is the same player, he uses map hack and win trades for his MMR. Trust me, it's there and I run into it all stream long.
Facing the same person several times at a 2v2 MMR where you mostly face the same opponents during hours of consecutive play has nothing to do with 'facing hackers 5 times a day'. While technically not false, that's a serious way of biasing your point for not much.
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On August 31 2019 17:12 AbouSV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 10:11 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:45 TaKeTV wrote:On August 30 2019 03:29 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:15 Xamo wrote:
Wow, nice post, I would have never imagined such advanced tools.
What on Earth makes you spend $50 a month to win more in any video game? Seriously I do not get it. But if someone that does it is reading this, please realize you need help. Their lives are miserable and it's the only way to feel better about themselves. I run into all the hacks mentioned in this thread at LEAST 5 times a day. What i've learned is that they tend to go away if you just leave the game, since I'm pretty sure they're just out to make you angry. No you dont. I understand you're an organizer and selling the idea that SC2 isn't infested with hacks is one of your priorities, it drives donations for events, keeps the viewers interested, and keeps E-sports from going under. Watch the stream for a full 8 hours and see the irrefutable evidence provided 5 or more times a day. Not that you'll watch the replay since it's easier to degrade people who are less popular than you are but here's an example of a cheater I run into 5+ times a day: https://drop.sc/replay/11587896Team: <Follow>Qoas aka: Suzy (hacker) and 천재님 Team: llllllllllll(me) and 옛날유저 TR vs RR Perfect meta opens from suzy and his team mate ( unscouted ) basically they knew it was TZ vs TZ hence the 2fac/ling open. 11:44: Load up for a drop and drop the left side of the map. If you follow Qoas's camera you will see him use Camera Lock. 12:02-12:010 - Camera lock 12:10 - issues command right above team mates third base hatchery to intercept drop. Bottom side of the map has zero vision, so to move your entire army to that location with no vision of the drop is 100% map hack. Also for the record, if you check last season GM Aoa is the rank #15 grandmaster. This is the same player, he uses map hack and win trades for his MMR. Trust me, it's there and I run into it all stream long. Facing the same person several times at a 2v2 MMR where you mostly face the same opponents during hours of consecutive play has nothing to do with 'facing hackers 5 times a day'. While technically not false, that's a serious way of biasing your point for not much.
When people hack at literally the #1 spots on archon/2v2 ladder and GM 1v1 for a year without getting banned it's hard not to hit them 5 or 10 times a day. The % of games that are against hackers are actually very high if they're playing fearlessly every day.
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i mean spades and that zerg who played under the tag of some energy drink held rank 1 on ladder for a while and no one caught them hacking til like a few weeks to a few months after
zerg desukai? some one here knows..
edit: and it's absolutely worth it for some people. spades was playing online cups, desuki was playing for #1 spot on ladder for a sponsor
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On August 31 2019 19:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
i mean spades and that zerg who played under the tag of some energy drink held rank 1 on ladder for a while and no one caught them hacking til like a few weeks to a few months after
zerg desukai? some one here knows..
edit: and it's absolutely worth it for some people. spades was playing online cups, desuki was playing for #1 spot on ladder for a sponsor
And some people just legitimately don't care, will have more fun if they win 80% of their games instead of the 65% that they deserve. Being able to see unit positions on minimap & having production tab of your opponent the whole game gives such a huge edge to players that are already good, yet it produces a lot of games where there is still somewhat plausible deniability since any one replay can look like they just got lucky or predicted the game state really well.. until they slip up a bunch of times.
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On August 31 2019 19:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
i mean spades and that zerg who played under the tag of some energy drink held rank 1 on ladder for a while and no one caught them hacking til like a few weeks to a few months after
zerg desukai? some one here knows..
edit: and it's absolutely worth it for some people. spades was playing online cups, desuki was playing for #1 spot on ladder for a sponsor
It was  daisuki
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On August 31 2019 20:46 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2019 19:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
i mean spades and that zerg who played under the tag of some energy drink held rank 1 on ladder for a while and no one caught them hacking til like a few weeks to a few months after
zerg desukai? some one here knows..
edit: and it's absolutely worth it for some people. spades was playing online cups, desuki was playing for #1 spot on ladder for a sponsor It was daisuki
thanks!
yeah he had the aka MAXIMENERGY at one point i think. i didn't even know he maphacked until he confessed. spades was very blatant, though.
edit NIXTRIXENERGY? now that i look at his liquidpedia. sry to MAXIMENERGY if that's a real thing; didn't mean to throw shade at your glorious name.
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On August 31 2019 20:38 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2019 19:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
i mean spades and that zerg who played under the tag of some energy drink held rank 1 on ladder for a while and no one caught them hacking til like a few weeks to a few months after
zerg desukai? some one here knows..
edit: and it's absolutely worth it for some people. spades was playing online cups, desuki was playing for #1 spot on ladder for a sponsor And some people just legitimately don't care, will have more fun if they win 80% of their games instead of the 65% that they deserve. Being able to see unit positions on minimap & having production tab of your opponent the whole game gives such a huge edge to players that are already good, yet it produces a lot of games where there is still somewhat plausible deniability since any one replay can look like they just got lucky or predicted the game state really well.. until they slip up a bunch of times.
yeah. in the hands of a noob, it can bring you from 0 to top 200-500 on ladder, or ~150 to #1 in the hands of a user who knows what they are doing. very scary for tournaments that use online quals
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On August 30 2019 10:11 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 03:45 TaKeTV wrote:On August 30 2019 03:29 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:15 Xamo wrote:
Wow, nice post, I would have never imagined such advanced tools.
What on Earth makes you spend $50 a month to win more in any video game? Seriously I do not get it. But if someone that does it is reading this, please realize you need help. Their lives are miserable and it's the only way to feel better about themselves. I run into all the hacks mentioned in this thread at LEAST 5 times a day. What i've learned is that they tend to go away if you just leave the game, since I'm pretty sure they're just out to make you angry. No you dont. I understand you're an organizer and selling the idea that SC2 isn't infested with hacks is one of your priorities, it drives donations for events, keeps the viewers interested, and keeps E-sports from going under. Watch the stream for a full 8 hours and see the irrefutable evidence provided 5 or more times a day. Not that you'll watch the replay since it's easier to degrade people who are less popular than you are but here's an example of a cheater I run into 5+ times a day: https://drop.sc/replay/11587896Team: <Follow>Qoas aka: Suzy (hacker) and 천재님 Team: llllllllllll(me) and 옛날유저 TR vs RR Perfect meta opens from suzy and his team mate ( unscouted ) basically they knew it was TZ vs TZ hence the 2fac/ling open. 11:44: Load up for a drop and drop the left side of the map. If you follow Qoas's camera you will see him use Camera Lock. 12:02-12:010 - Camera lock 12:10 - issues command right above team mates third base hatchery to intercept drop. Bottom side of the map has zero vision, so to move your entire army to that location with no vision of the drop is 100% map hack. Also for the record, if you check last season GM Aoa is the rank #15 grandmaster. This is the same player, he uses map hack and win trades for his MMR. Trust me, it's there and I run into it all stream long.
Sorry I was logged into TaKeTV as I am now since I am working. I am NarutO - the German caster for TaKeTV. And I do not degrade you. I am simply saying you are not running into hackers 5 times a day. Yes there are maphacks and other hacks, yes people use them up the pretty much highest level. No - they are not used by the majority of players and no you do not run into 5 hackers (different ones even moreso) per day on average.
I am pretty sure that you would rather degrade me because I am working for an organization but I am or was a player myself when hacks were publicly available without pay and even at that time you didnt get as many hackers. I will take a wild guess and say that you are a very bitter person that cannot take a loss and everyone that beats you is a hacker rather than someone who played a better game.
Everything else you want to interpret into "No you dont" is up to you but it doesnt reflect what I said in a bit.
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On September 01 2019 01:49 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2019 10:11 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:45 TaKeTV wrote:On August 30 2019 03:29 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:15 Xamo wrote:
Wow, nice post, I would have never imagined such advanced tools.
What on Earth makes you spend $50 a month to win more in any video game? Seriously I do not get it. But if someone that does it is reading this, please realize you need help. Their lives are miserable and it's the only way to feel better about themselves. I run into all the hacks mentioned in this thread at LEAST 5 times a day. What i've learned is that they tend to go away if you just leave the game, since I'm pretty sure they're just out to make you angry. No you dont. I understand you're an organizer and selling the idea that SC2 isn't infested with hacks is one of your priorities, it drives donations for events, keeps the viewers interested, and keeps E-sports from going under. Watch the stream for a full 8 hours and see the irrefutable evidence provided 5 or more times a day. Not that you'll watch the replay since it's easier to degrade people who are less popular than you are but here's an example of a cheater I run into 5+ times a day: https://drop.sc/replay/11587896Team: <Follow>Qoas aka: Suzy (hacker) and 천재님 Team: llllllllllll(me) and 옛날유저 TR vs RR Perfect meta opens from suzy and his team mate ( unscouted ) basically they knew it was TZ vs TZ hence the 2fac/ling open. 11:44: Load up for a drop and drop the left side of the map. If you follow Qoas's camera you will see him use Camera Lock. 12:02-12:010 - Camera lock 12:10 - issues command right above team mates third base hatchery to intercept drop. Bottom side of the map has zero vision, so to move your entire army to that location with no vision of the drop is 100% map hack. Also for the record, if you check last season GM Aoa is the rank #15 grandmaster. This is the same player, he uses map hack and win trades for his MMR. Trust me, it's there and I run into it all stream long. Sorry I was logged into TaKeTV as I am now since I am working. I am NarutO - the German caster for TaKeTV. And I do not degrade you. I am simply saying you are not running into hackers 5 times a day. Yes there are maphacks and other hacks, yes people use them up the pretty much highest level. No - they are not used by the majority of players and no you do not run into 5 hackers (different ones even moreso) per day on average. I am pretty sure that you would rather degrade me because I am working for an organization but I am or was a player myself when hacks were publicly available without pay and even at that time you didnt get as many hackers. I will take a wild guess and say that you are a very bitter person that cannot take a loss and everyone that beats you is a hacker rather than someone who played a better game. Everything else you want to interpret into "No you dont" is up to you but it doesnt reflect what I said in a bit.
you certainly haven't provided any data to say that he doesn't. he plays a lot of games in a bracket where people are generally ass holes so it wouldn't surprise me if he really did run into 5 unique hackers a day. simply posting 'no you don't' is kind of gauche and dismissive and your followup is not much better
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On September 01 2019 02:10 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2019 01:49 TaKeTV wrote:On August 30 2019 10:11 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:45 TaKeTV wrote:On August 30 2019 03:29 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:15 Xamo wrote:
Wow, nice post, I would have never imagined such advanced tools.
What on Earth makes you spend $50 a month to win more in any video game? Seriously I do not get it. But if someone that does it is reading this, please realize you need help. Their lives are miserable and it's the only way to feel better about themselves. I run into all the hacks mentioned in this thread at LEAST 5 times a day. What i've learned is that they tend to go away if you just leave the game, since I'm pretty sure they're just out to make you angry. No you dont. I understand you're an organizer and selling the idea that SC2 isn't infested with hacks is one of your priorities, it drives donations for events, keeps the viewers interested, and keeps E-sports from going under. Watch the stream for a full 8 hours and see the irrefutable evidence provided 5 or more times a day. Not that you'll watch the replay since it's easier to degrade people who are less popular than you are but here's an example of a cheater I run into 5+ times a day: https://drop.sc/replay/11587896Team: <Follow>Qoas aka: Suzy (hacker) and 천재님 Team: llllllllllll(me) and 옛날유저 TR vs RR Perfect meta opens from suzy and his team mate ( unscouted ) basically they knew it was TZ vs TZ hence the 2fac/ling open. 11:44: Load up for a drop and drop the left side of the map. If you follow Qoas's camera you will see him use Camera Lock. 12:02-12:010 - Camera lock 12:10 - issues command right above team mates third base hatchery to intercept drop. Bottom side of the map has zero vision, so to move your entire army to that location with no vision of the drop is 100% map hack. Also for the record, if you check last season GM Aoa is the rank #15 grandmaster. This is the same player, he uses map hack and win trades for his MMR. Trust me, it's there and I run into it all stream long. Sorry I was logged into TaKeTV as I am now since I am working. I am NarutO - the German caster for TaKeTV. And I do not degrade you. I am simply saying you are not running into hackers 5 times a day. Yes there are maphacks and other hacks, yes people use them up the pretty much highest level. No - they are not used by the majority of players and no you do not run into 5 hackers (different ones even moreso) per day on average. I am pretty sure that you would rather degrade me because I am working for an organization but I am or was a player myself when hacks were publicly available without pay and even at that time you didnt get as many hackers. I will take a wild guess and say that you are a very bitter person that cannot take a loss and everyone that beats you is a hacker rather than someone who played a better game. Everything else you want to interpret into "No you dont" is up to you but it doesnt reflect what I said in a bit. you certainly haven't provided any data to say that he doesn't. he plays a lot of games in a bracket where people are generally ass holes so it wouldn't surprise me if he really did run into 5 unique hackers a day. simply posting 'no you don't' is kind of gauche and dismissive and your followup is not much better
The issue with hackers is, you can hardly proof it. If you watch a ton of games, especially if you go towards higher level there are movement patterns you cannot really explain. Sometimes experience, sometimes luck, sometimes the pattern is based on a game they previously played so coincidence.
He provided one replay. If he wants me to look through 5 unique hackers, he better make very good and educated posts about them. I remember NaDa got banned from WGTour for "Hacking" when he was simply better and more experienced than anyone else. I got banned from a tournament in iccup for "maphacking" when it was a lucky move which resulted in devastating loss for my opponent.
For hackers I believe we should stand at "not guilty until proven" - which he cant. I dont think its a healthy statement either to say "I am only losing to hackers" basically.
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On September 01 2019 03:22 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2019 02:10 Alejandrisha wrote:On September 01 2019 01:49 TaKeTV wrote:On August 30 2019 10:11 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:45 TaKeTV wrote:On August 30 2019 03:29 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2019 03:15 Xamo wrote:
Wow, nice post, I would have never imagined such advanced tools.
What on Earth makes you spend $50 a month to win more in any video game? Seriously I do not get it. But if someone that does it is reading this, please realize you need help. Their lives are miserable and it's the only way to feel better about themselves. I run into all the hacks mentioned in this thread at LEAST 5 times a day. What i've learned is that they tend to go away if you just leave the game, since I'm pretty sure they're just out to make you angry. No you dont. I understand you're an organizer and selling the idea that SC2 isn't infested with hacks is one of your priorities, it drives donations for events, keeps the viewers interested, and keeps E-sports from going under. Watch the stream for a full 8 hours and see the irrefutable evidence provided 5 or more times a day. Not that you'll watch the replay since it's easier to degrade people who are less popular than you are but here's an example of a cheater I run into 5+ times a day: https://drop.sc/replay/11587896Team: <Follow>Qoas aka: Suzy (hacker) and 천재님 Team: llllllllllll(me) and 옛날유저 TR vs RR Perfect meta opens from suzy and his team mate ( unscouted ) basically they knew it was TZ vs TZ hence the 2fac/ling open. 11:44: Load up for a drop and drop the left side of the map. If you follow Qoas's camera you will see him use Camera Lock. 12:02-12:010 - Camera lock 12:10 - issues command right above team mates third base hatchery to intercept drop. Bottom side of the map has zero vision, so to move your entire army to that location with no vision of the drop is 100% map hack. Also for the record, if you check last season GM Aoa is the rank #15 grandmaster. This is the same player, he uses map hack and win trades for his MMR. Trust me, it's there and I run into it all stream long. Sorry I was logged into TaKeTV as I am now since I am working. I am NarutO - the German caster for TaKeTV. And I do not degrade you. I am simply saying you are not running into hackers 5 times a day. Yes there are maphacks and other hacks, yes people use them up the pretty much highest level. No - they are not used by the majority of players and no you do not run into 5 hackers (different ones even moreso) per day on average. I am pretty sure that you would rather degrade me because I am working for an organization but I am or was a player myself when hacks were publicly available without pay and even at that time you didnt get as many hackers. I will take a wild guess and say that you are a very bitter person that cannot take a loss and everyone that beats you is a hacker rather than someone who played a better game. Everything else you want to interpret into "No you dont" is up to you but it doesnt reflect what I said in a bit. you certainly haven't provided any data to say that he doesn't. he plays a lot of games in a bracket where people are generally ass holes so it wouldn't surprise me if he really did run into 5 unique hackers a day. simply posting 'no you don't' is kind of gauche and dismissive and your followup is not much better The issue with hackers is, you can hardly proof it. If you watch a ton of games, especially if you go towards higher level there are movement patterns you cannot really explain. Sometimes experience, sometimes luck, sometimes the pattern is based on a game they previously played so coincidence. He provided one replay. If he wants me to look through 5 unique hackers, he better make very good and educated posts about them. I remember NaDa got banned from WGTour for "Hacking" when he was simply better and more experienced than anyone else. I got banned from a tournament in iccup for "maphacking" when it was a lucky move which resulted in devastating loss for my opponent. For hackers I believe we should stand at "not guilty until proven" - which he cant. I dont think its a healthy statement either to say "I am only losing to hackers" basically.
i've gotten banned from cs 1.6 esea pugs for 'hacking' too, even though i was not. he was not making the statement that he 'only loses to hackers' as you say. he was just saying that it is prevalent. and that i do believe. there is little to lose for big name players who can qualify online for cups via ladder. if they are good at hiding it, they will be 10x better online. they don't care about offline results; just qualifying online is good for $$ and that you cannot deny.
i don't know why you are taking opposing stance. you should be furious this plague is running rampant in your community
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