EPTSc2 pro scene isn't really on par with its audience size tho, if Blizz stop paying for it we will probably have a mostly online scene with a few HSC/Cheesadelphia size events a year.
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Sc2 pro scene isn't really on par with its audience size tho, if Blizz stop paying for it we will probably have a mostly online scene with a few HSC/Cheesadelphia size events a year. | ||
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dalecooper
56 Posts
I would be worried more about GSL in the next year. Like HotS same fate awaits starcraft. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 19 2019 20:27 Nakajin wrote: Sc2 pro scene isn't really on par with its audience size tho, if Blizz stop paying for it we will probably have a mostly online scene with a few HSC/Cheesadelphia size events a year. Ah THAT is true. But Fortnite and LoL like starcraft are founded by their companies as wll. The difference is the audience number. It's always the case. That's why i was comparing it with Curling / Soccer  So i don't see really the problem since it's a niche and will stay that way. Let's be happy with what we have. It's not like WE as a community are going to make people like starcraft more than CS or Fortnite or OverWatch. We cannot change this. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On August 20 2019 14:57 FFW_Rude wrote: Ah THAT is true. But Fortnite and LoL like starcraft are founded by their companies as wll. The difference is the audience number. It's always the case. That's why i was comparing it with Curling / Soccer So i don't see really the problem since it's a niche and will stay that way. Let's be happy with what we have. It's not like WE as a community are going to make people like starcraft more than CS or Fortnite or OverWatch. We cannot change this. Fortine and league are continously earning money on their game, they invest in esport and keep their game alive because they earn money by doing so. Many people (myself included) believe Blizz is only losing money on supporting sc2. You can't compare big hits like Fortnite that make the company rich as hell and say Blizz has the same reasons to support SC2 as Epic has supporting Fortnite. It makes it look as though you don't understand capitalism. Soccer sells teamjerseys, match tickets and and has tons more sponsors than SC2 do. The money flow cannot be compared. Blizz is a capitalist company, if they are losing money on sc2 continously as many believe what is the logical move for the company to do? Stop investing big money in SC2 thats what, there is a very real risk they will do that. Have you even been following the scene? Last year they terminated the contracts of many of the SC2 supporting staff, people that were integral to the esport SC2 scene. Maybe that is a sign, or perhaps you believe it was the result of a lottery and nothing else. Edit: Also, entering a discussion and saying "why are you even discussing thing, you can't do anything about it anyway" doesn't seem very constructive to me. I guess the only topics you discuss are things you can actively improve | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25111 Posts
On August 20 2019 16:14 Shuffleblade wrote: Fortine and league are continously earning money on their game, they invest in esport and keep their game alive because they earn money by doing so. Many people (myself included) believe Blizz is only losing money on supporting sc2. You can't compare big hits like Fortnite that make the company rich as hell and say Blizz has the same reasons to support SC2 as Epic has supporting Fortnite. It makes it look as though you don't understand capitalism. Soccer sells teamjerseys, match tickets and and has tons more sponsors than SC2 do. The money flow cannot be compared. Blizz is a capitalist company, if they are losing money on sc2 continously as many believe what is the logical move for the company to do? Stop investing big money in SC2 thats what, there is a very real risk they will do that. Have you even been following the scene? Last year they terminated the contracts of many of the SC2 supporting staff, people that were integral to the esport SC2 scene. Maybe that is a sign, or perhaps you believe it was the result of a lottery and nothing else. Edit: Also, entering a discussion and saying "why are you even discussing thing, you can't do anything about it anyway" doesn't seem very constructive to me. I guess the only topics you discuss are things you can actively improve The problem doesn’t appear to be that Fortnite and League exist, it’s that the Activision side of things now view success in those kind of numbers. Which isn’t dissimilar from x sports body going ‘why aren’t we as big as soccer?’ and disbanding accordingly I’m pessimistic myself, we’ll see how things go. I really hope they don’t just pull the plug abruptly, if they do but give some notice, maybe the community and viewership can step up a bit to keep something decent ticking over. | ||
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outscar
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
On September 10 2019 05:43 outscar wrote: Sorry for bump. I am bit confused about this War Chest thing because haven't touched game since HotS. Is there a way to purchase old warchests? From store I saw 2018 Katowice one is available, but how about 2017 one? I couldn't find anything about it. Why they don't sell it? No, you can't buy an old warchest, but you can buy the skins that used to be in a warchest (for a lot more money). Warchests are essentially a sale on a new product for early adopters, if you missed it, you missed the cheapest price. That said, there have been sales on skin sets after the warchest for those skins has ended. Not as cheap as the warchest, but still much cheaper than buying the skins individually. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2624 Posts
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ZerO_TxK
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
 #1 i do not buy skins .. i payed 150 for the game already thank you #2 you guys are cute, arguing bouhou stories and never attempting to continue forward, cute like toddlers who start talking and telling you a story and stop mid sentence and you never hear about that story again, ever.. you guys/girls never even dwell into the rest of the story (arguably the best part), the last mile stands there in front of your eyes, the vista is awesome if you really look, but maybe that would require more introspection on your parts? In any case, sc2 is dropping (yes?) so you get 2 solutions and or blizzhard drops it and it dies out or blizzhard drops it and the community saves it and then ... .. then what? Can you see that you can't go past the denial period? Can you see that? Are YOU part of the solution or are you part of the problem? Are you an rts gamer? will you describe what that next thing is..? will you dare put your own guts on the table? or will you just play bingo with blizzhard watching how many people still play bingo? ok let me get you on the good path sc2 is scbw.. and not even (albeit the jump into replay is a GREAT thing, it is the only difference there is between the two!) sc2 is not a good rts, it is the rts we have as a community! not the hero we deserve, the one the fate has awarded us, the one that 40 years of rts have made there are millions of other rts and sc2 is but the idea of what sc2 should be, no? a promise of what could be! Now lets back up to you and "90% of this "community": RTS gamers dont play any rts other games than scbw or sc2, seems gamers no longer think this competitive thing is their own responsibility? .. gamers do not test new maps / rts games (saying they are all sh it without even having tried them at all) thing is hard to do and when they (by miracle) manage to do do their gamer jobs/chores (hosting/organizing games teaching preaching etc) ) they drive into every road block imaginable.. (many of those road blocks being blizzhard s doing but far from all) .. this is why i wanted to say (after reading this thread) will the community save sc2 or will it do as it always does? wait for something to happen for them? # self entitlement is the most prominent thing in 2020; come at me bruh  The whole thing about rts and the gamers who can't get enough of it is that YES # 1 there are not a lot of us around # 2 sc2 is still showcased by amateurs (read like scbw was showcased 20+ years ago) # warchest is mere window dressing.. sorry to have to say this but salad dressing on bread isn't a salad! # we are not to be trifled with, we are the creme de la creme, we are all gm, we been at it for 20 years and still we can't catch a break.. why? because we are self entitled that s why! YOU we i have what we have, no one will come and save sc2, no one but YOU! never ever forget: HAVING FUN IS SERIOUS BUSINESS ps: failed inhumane attempt to resist urge to make pun to hammer point home one last time + Show Spoiler + riff king savior of sc2 edit: i added a video on top, sort of a .. "can you read this post by the time the music is over" challenge.. sorry i thought it would be a humor thing, but now i think maybe the music is too demonstrative and frenzied for the subject matter, oh and yes, also it is making my point better than me  | ||
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Tastyyyy
Portugal95 Posts
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
On September 10 2019 19:30 Tastyyyy wrote: "sc2 is not a good rts" lol not good enough also what the hellion are you doing here typing while there is GSL on? (joke sorry) | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25111 Posts
On September 10 2019 19:58 fluidrone wrote: not good enough also what the hellion are you doing here typing while there is GSL on? (joke sorry) I mean, I don’t really agree with how you put your previous point, or all of what you said, but there is stuff there absolutely I think is bang on. Some of us do, some of us don’t, but while RTS generally has declined we don’t really give new games, especially ones with different twists on the genre much of a chance. We throw our collective eggs into a few Blizzard baskets and while for many of us they’re our favourite RTS games anyway, other games with some promise will wither and die. Not just RTS, arena shooters are another prominent example. I have tried other games that aren’t Quake and they actually were pretty good, but I had nobody to really play with. Then the other side of the coin is when I did try Quake again I got absolutely destroyed by folks who only play Quake, which I imagine is the experience of many who dip their toes into BW or SC2 these days. I’m hopeful Warcraft Reforged can help a bit in diversifying the genre again and giving people something a bit new and different, and maybe the genre can recover a bit there | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
On September 10 2019 22:26 Wombat_NI wrote: I mean, I don’t really agree with how you put your previous point, or all of what you said, but there is stuff there absolutely I think is bang on. Some of us do, some of us don’t, but while RTS generally has declined we don’t really give new games, especially ones with different twists on the genre much of a chance. We throw our collective eggs into a few Blizzard baskets and while for many of us they’re our favourite RTS games anyway, other games with some promise will wither and die. Not just RTS, arena shooters are another prominent example. I have tried other games that aren’t Quake and they actually were pretty good, but I had nobody to really play with. Then the other side of the coin is when I did try Quake again I got absolutely destroyed by folks who only play Quake, which I imagine is the experience of many who dip their toes into BW or SC2 these days. I’m hopeful Warcraft Reforged can help a bit in diversifying the genre again and giving people something a bit new and different, and maybe the genre can recover a bit there Bang on sorry i was temporarily banned for 90 days (in celebration of my decade first 30 day temp i guess? (i guess it felt as 90 days at the time)) for an attempt at humor at the expense of the admins/mods of this charming website, so we will be jumping in a time machine some what.. Some of us do some of us don't .. i beg to differ the "sc2 community" has always been reactionary and apathetic, since Wol, now we are talking coma or necrophilia...i consider quake an rts game (: my rts is called photon cycles so yes ALL multiplayer games if you want to play semantics, i just happen to lobby for real time strategy <3 Then the other side of the coin is when I did try Quake again I got absolutely destroyed by folks who only play Quake, which I imagine is the experience of many who dip their toes into BW or SC2 these days. <3 Sorry i cannot say i see anything wrong with that.. my mum beat me at tetris and then i beat her and soon my son will beat me at it and so on.. i mean a good game must be hard and then maybe if you get frustrated you go play with people your own skill level and that s that <3 I’m hopeful Warcraft Reforged can help a bit it won't help, i am sorry to say.. no one cares about the old nowadays .. more than ever in history we* produce and garbage everything as quickly as we can find fault with it. (we*: the consumers) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25111 Posts
On December 10 2019 21:04 fluidrone wrote: Bang on sorry i was temporarily banned for 90 days (in celebration of my decade first 90 day temp i guess?) for an attempt at humor at the expense of the admins/mods of this charming website, so we will be jumping in a time machine some what.. i beg to differ the "sc2 community" has always been reactionary and apathetic, since Wol, now we are talking coma or necrophilia... i consider quake an rts game (: my rts is called photon cycles so yes ALL multiplayer games if you want to play semantics, i just happen to lobby for real time strategy <3 <3 Sorry i don't see anything wrong with that.. i mean a good game must be hard and then maybe if you frustrated you play with people your own skill level and that s that <3 it won't sorry to say.. no one cares about the old nowadays .. more than ever in history we* produce and garbage everything. (we*: the consumers) I don’t mind getting trounced, I like improving. If there’s not a playerbase there’s no curve of skill level to move up. A bit extreme as analogies go but it’s akin to wanting to learn chess properly and the only people to play with are Grandmasters and there’s nobody in between. It’s frustrating really! I like my games to have a lot of mechanical nuance and depth and most modern games just don’t tickle my fancy in that way. Welcome back by the way! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 11 2019 01:58 dUTtrOACh wrote: Hopefully, for future warchests or similar play and watch incentives, Blizz doesn't include the annoying incremental unlocking of phases. The warchests are relatively expensive and having to wait weeks to unlock tiers is pretty stupid. Perhaps the idea was to encourage people to play over a longer span of time, but that doesn't necessarily translate into people playing more in general. Having the progress bar of unlocking shit when you didn't buy the chest, that's the true spirit! And jumping to the warchest you don't have Hey, we don't care you already bought 3 CEs, eat this annoying thing after every game! I must say I was very entertained. | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
On December 10 2019 22:32 deacon.frost wrote: Having the progress bar of unlocking shit when you didn't buy the chest, that's the true spirit! And jumping to the warchest you don't have Hey, we don't care you already bought 3 CEs, eat this annoying thing after every game! I must say I was very entertained.my favorite is the twit ch blizzard add on the live streams, i have grown to not even take them off the screen so as to best support my esport to the fullest of the extent of my capabilities... (yes that was an attempt at unveiled sarcasm just in case there was any doubt) | ||
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