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muppet70
Profile Joined January 2017
Sweden72 Posts
August 06 2019 00:29 GMT
#61
Heromarine played so good, after 2-0 vs Gumiho he was one map away from winning the group with Gumiho and Stats.
Watch those games!
Also Showtime - Stats 2-0 in the group play, he was the only player to beat Stats in the tournament.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 06 2019 03:05 GMT
#62
On August 06 2019 09:29 muppet70 wrote:
Heromarine played so good, after 2-0 vs Gumiho he was one map away from winning the group with Gumiho and Stats.
Watch those games!
Also Showtime - Stats 2-0 in the group play, he was the only player to beat Stats in the tournament.

wow that is impressive. i'm loving the global parity we get in SC2
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6934 Posts
August 06 2019 07:57 GMT
#63
On August 06 2019 09:29 muppet70 wrote:
Heromarine played so good, after 2-0 vs Gumiho he was one map away from winning the group with Gumiho and Stats.
Watch those games!
Also Showtime - Stats 2-0 in the group play, he was the only player to beat Stats in the tournament.


But Heromarine crumbled, as almost always when playing vs decent Koreans. I think he has some sort of mental blockade or sth. Talent wise he think he could be further up.

Same with Reynor, though he is younger and may overcome this eventually
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ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States687 Posts
August 06 2019 08:17 GMT
#64
Stats is to Sc2 what Bisu was to broodwar when he revolutionized PvZ.

Please don't complain away the very best, most fairly articulated early-midgame PvZ setup there's ever been.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-06 09:10:26
August 06 2019 09:09 GMT
#65
On August 06 2019 17:17 ThunderJunk wrote:
Stats is to Sc2 what Bisu was to broodwar when he revolutionized PvZ.

Please don't complain away the very best, most fairly articulated early-midgame PvZ setup there's ever been.

The issue is he didn't revolutionized PvZ. It's not what Parting did with the Templar opening bakc in WoL, where everyone was like - duh, you have to open robo and then Parting came and open with Templars and everyone was - this isn't supposed to work, how does this work, it's so obvious now, why didn't we do this earlier?

Stats took a build and made it better. He did a good job, no doubt, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a revolution.

(Edit> that was a PvT thing back then)
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DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-06 14:44:43
August 06 2019 14:36 GMT
#66
Stats vs. Serral was honestly one of the best series Ive watched this year. With the current PvZ and PvT meta its difficult for me to remember when Ive seen a series where the Protoss play impressed me to any degree. Zest vs Elazer at HSC comes to mind with Zests unrelenting perfect execution of harass. This series though blew even that away for me. Stats played so unbelievably well in games 3-5. This is what RTS is supposed to be about. If you can literally brute force out apm your opponent you should win the game, period (Life for example as Zerg (i dare spoke his name) or Maru as T have illustrated this historically beautifully). Non stop harass at multiprong with perfect micro while not missing a beat macroing all the while executing strategically brilliant transitions that threw the god for a loop. We got to see both players pushed to their ceiling with sick highlights like in game 5 when Serral was multiprong hitting the third and natural w SH roach/rav and Stats used his prism from his third to grab 2 immo to juggle into the nat chasing roaches while simultaneously perfectly microing the fight at his third with FF and bile dodges..so fucking epic. Consider that he did this vs. SERRAL - the literal god of defensive Zerg play swatting down KR gods left and right over the last year. Compare that now to watching goblin put his prism in warpmode out of range of queens and spam zealot warpins while right clicking his immortals a few times at 5min in...smh...I will take this 100 out of 100 times over gimmicy all ins or turtle play into deathballs.. MOAR PLS
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-06 15:16:27
August 06 2019 15:12 GMT
#67
On August 06 2019 23:36 DomeGetta wrote:
Stats vs. Serral was honestly one of the best series Ive watched this year. With the current PvZ and PvT meta its difficult for me to remember when Ive seen a series where the Protoss play impressed me to any degree. Zest vs Elazer at HSC comes to mind with Zests unrelenting perfect execution of harass. This series though blew even that away for me. Stats played so unbelievably well in games 3-5. This is what RTS is supposed to be about. If you can literally brute force out apm your opponent you should win the game, period (Life for example as Zerg (i dare spoke his name) or Maru as T have illustrated this historically beautifully). Non stop harass at multiprong with perfect micro while not missing a beat macroing all the while executing strategically brilliant transitions that threw the god for a loop. We got to see both players pushed to their ceiling with sick highlights like in game 5 when Serral was multiprong hitting the third and natural w SH roach/rav and Stats used his prism from his third to grab 2 immo to juggle into the nat chasing roaches while simultaneously perfectly microing the fight at his third with FF and bile dodges..so fucking epic. Consider that he did this vs. SERRAL - the literal god of defensive Zerg play swatting down KR gods left and right over the last year. Compare that now to watching goblin put his prism in warpmode out of range of queens and spam zealot warpins while right clicking his immortals a few times at 5min in...smh...I will take this 100 out of 100 times over gimmicy all ins or turtle play into deathballs.. MOAR PLS


this is why stats is by far my favorite protoss player. he's just an all around beast. doesnt rely on mindgames, gimmicks, timings, etc as much as other protoss players. He's such a dynamic player. Such things are evident in games like game 2 where he built double prisms, disruptors, and dropped a fleet beacon with gusto showing he's willing to throw down in the late game vs zerg...and even though he got steamrolled by the zerg lategame eventually, stats control of that insane disruptor deathball was a mechanical marvel.

Stats - Maru in the super tournament was my other favorite series this year, particularly because of that Year Zero game. serral innovation in WESG was excellent too

stats-serral might be the best matchup in starcraft 2 recently though. they are all phenomenal
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UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
August 06 2019 18:27 GMT
#68
Democratically selected prime minister dare accuse The commander of The Defence Forces of Finland, nominated by democratically elected President of The Republic...

Serral was not elected.

God-Kings just over rule.

Disclaimer: we all hear that Trump-BS every day. Prime minister of Finland makes a mishit... Whatever.

Serral will fix his ZvP.

Only REAL thing we can learn from politics within this sphere.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25558 Posts
August 06 2019 19:02 GMT
#69
On August 06 2019 23:36 DomeGetta wrote:
Stats vs. Serral was honestly one of the best series Ive watched this year. With the current PvZ and PvT meta its difficult for me to remember when Ive seen a series where the Protoss play impressed me to any degree. Zest vs Elazer at HSC comes to mind with Zests unrelenting perfect execution of harass. This series though blew even that away for me. Stats played so unbelievably well in games 3-5. This is what RTS is supposed to be about. If you can literally brute force out apm your opponent you should win the game, period (Life for example as Zerg (i dare spoke his name) or Maru as T have illustrated this historically beautifully). Non stop harass at multiprong with perfect micro while not missing a beat macroing all the while executing strategically brilliant transitions that threw the god for a loop. We got to see both players pushed to their ceiling with sick highlights like in game 5 when Serral was multiprong hitting the third and natural w SH roach/rav and Stats used his prism from his third to grab 2 immo to juggle into the nat chasing roaches while simultaneously perfectly microing the fight at his third with FF and bile dodges..so fucking epic. Consider that he did this vs. SERRAL - the literal god of defensive Zerg play swatting down KR gods left and right over the last year. Compare that now to watching goblin put his prism in warpmode out of range of queens and spam zealot warpins while right clicking his immortals a few times at 5min in...smh...I will take this 100 out of 100 times over gimmicy all ins or turtle play into deathballs.. MOAR PLS

I’m really excited to get hold of the replays of that series and rewatch from their respective views for the reasons you described.

I wish Protoss was a bit easier to play in that style, and a bit harder to play in other ways, it’s more enjoyable to watch for me and you see the full range of player skills.

Protoss has a lot of cool tools that require tons of skill to use simultaneously anywhere close to the level Stats showed, sadly they’re also very potent when bringing out the Protoss book of bullshit.

PvZ is potentially in a really good spot of late, Zerg have gotten a lot better vs various timings, so the terrible state the matchup was in a few months ago of games consisting of one all in that either succeeded or failed seems to have been negotiated.

If Protoss can either figure out or get some patch help at dealing well once it goes very late game the matchup will have quite a lot of potential in terms of ‘straight up’ macro games
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
August 07 2019 01:20 GMT
#70
On August 07 2019 04:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2019 23:36 DomeGetta wrote:
Stats vs. Serral was honestly one of the best series Ive watched this year. With the current PvZ and PvT meta its difficult for me to remember when Ive seen a series where the Protoss play impressed me to any degree. Zest vs Elazer at HSC comes to mind with Zests unrelenting perfect execution of harass. This series though blew even that away for me. Stats played so unbelievably well in games 3-5. This is what RTS is supposed to be about. If you can literally brute force out apm your opponent you should win the game, period (Life for example as Zerg (i dare spoke his name) or Maru as T have illustrated this historically beautifully). Non stop harass at multiprong with perfect micro while not missing a beat macroing all the while executing strategically brilliant transitions that threw the god for a loop. We got to see both players pushed to their ceiling with sick highlights like in game 5 when Serral was multiprong hitting the third and natural w SH roach/rav and Stats used his prism from his third to grab 2 immo to juggle into the nat chasing roaches while simultaneously perfectly microing the fight at his third with FF and bile dodges..so fucking epic. Consider that he did this vs. SERRAL - the literal god of defensive Zerg play swatting down KR gods left and right over the last year. Compare that now to watching goblin put his prism in warpmode out of range of queens and spam zealot warpins while right clicking his immortals a few times at 5min in...smh...I will take this 100 out of 100 times over gimmicy all ins or turtle play into deathballs.. MOAR PLS

I’m really excited to get hold of the replays of that series and rewatch from their respective views for the reasons you described.

I wish Protoss was a bit easier to play in that style, and a bit harder to play in other ways, it’s more enjoyable to watch for me and you see the full range of player skills.

Protoss has a lot of cool tools that require tons of skill to use simultaneously anywhere close to the level Stats showed, sadly they’re also very potent when bringing out the Protoss book of bullshit.

PvZ is potentially in a really good spot of late, Zerg have gotten a lot better vs various timings, so the terrible state the matchup was in a few months ago of games consisting of one all in that either succeeded or failed seems to have been negotiated.

If Protoss can either figure out or get some patch help at dealing well once it goes very late game the matchup will have quite a lot of potential in terms of ‘straight up’ macro games


It's unfortunate that Protoss players are pigeonholed into relying on gimmicks and mindgames. Blizzard doesn't want them to have all around strong and versatile backbone units. Everything relies on a gimmick
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Duceman
Profile Joined June 2018
United States87 Posts
August 07 2019 01:51 GMT
#71
Strong backbone units like the immortal and Templar?

RIP old colossus tho and 2018 carriers
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
August 07 2019 04:55 GMT
#72
On August 07 2019 10:51 Duceman wrote:
Strong backbone units like the immortal and Templar?

RIP old colossus tho and 2018 carriers


The immortal and templar are specialists

Immortals are anti armored ground units

High emplars are for their AOE spells

Protoss has no unit like marine, or hydralisk - or even thor or BC (carrier is a flying trash can now)
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StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
August 07 2019 08:42 GMT
#73
On August 05 2019 17:10 BlackPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 14:33 StarcraftSquall wrote:
At long last... a Protoss champion! It’s been YEARS :-)


Yeah! The first since Classic one GSL Super Tournament just a couple months ago!


That’s a major in name only, it’s basicall a weekend of chaos among just 16 players. Besides that tourney you have to go back to 2017 to find a bonafide long form tourney Protoss title.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 07 2019 11:03 GMT
#74
On August 07 2019 17:42 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 17:10 BlackPride wrote:
On August 05 2019 14:33 StarcraftSquall wrote:
At long last... a Protoss champion! It’s been YEARS :-)


Yeah! The first since Classic one GSL Super Tournament just a couple months ago!


That’s a major in name only, it’s basicall a weekend of chaos among just 16 players. Besides that tourney you have to go back to 2017 to find a bonafide long form tourney Protoss title.

Yeah, who cares about a tournament with top Koreans in it and a qualifier with all the top Koreans in them. No big deal winning this thing, everyone can do it, right?

Seriously? How can we argue about the top names in the business except Serral vs a tournament without top names but including Serral... wtf?
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Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
August 07 2019 11:10 GMT
#75
On August 07 2019 17:42 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 17:10 BlackPride wrote:
On August 05 2019 14:33 StarcraftSquall wrote:
At long last... a Protoss champion! It’s been YEARS :-)


Yeah! The first since Classic one GSL Super Tournament just a couple months ago!


That’s a major in name only, it’s basicall a weekend of chaos among just 16 players. Besides that tourney you have to go back to 2017 to find a bonafide long form tourney Protoss title.


I don't understand how you think GSL Super Tournament is less prestigious than ASUS ROG. It has more top tier Koreans and a larger prize pool, compare the ro.16 of last GSL super tournament to the ASUS ROG equivalent.
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-07 17:12:10
August 07 2019 17:11 GMT
#76
On August 07 2019 20:10 Z3nith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2019 17:42 StarcraftSquall wrote:
On August 05 2019 17:10 BlackPride wrote:
On August 05 2019 14:33 StarcraftSquall wrote:
At long last... a Protoss champion! It’s been YEARS :-)


Yeah! The first since Classic one GSL Super Tournament just a couple months ago!


That’s a major in name only, it’s basicall a weekend of chaos among just 16 players. Besides that tourney you have to go back to 2017 to find a bonafide long form tourney Protoss title.


I don't understand how you think GSL Super Tournament is less prestigious than ASUS ROG. It has more top tier Koreans and a larger prize pool, compare the ro.16 of last GSL super tournament to the ASUS ROG equivalent.


Yeah don't try logic bro - it doesn't work lmao
It only counts if Protoss lost it - and it doesn't matter if they were half the ro16 and ro8 - this is 101 my man.
ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
August 08 2019 07:55 GMT
#77
Too much hype will kill you!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33423 Posts
August 09 2019 10:34 GMT
#78
On August 08 2019 16:55 ProFalseIdol wrote:
Too much hype will kill you!


if you can't make up your (T)Mind
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-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1215 Posts
August 09 2019 12:48 GMT
#79
Such an impressive performance by Stats - and a great tournament overall with many great games.

Just one awesome moment was when serral neuraled one of Stats' HT to feedback and storm the other templars
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Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-09 19:20:49
August 09 2019 19:17 GMT
#80
On August 07 2019 13:55 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2019 10:51 Duceman wrote:
Strong backbone units like the immortal and Templar?

RIP old colossus tho and 2018 carriers


The immortal and templar are specialists

Immortals are anti armored ground units

High emplars are for their AOE spells

Protoss has no unit like marine, or hydralisk - or even thor or BC (carrier is a flying trash can now)


You must be trolling... please tell me you are, because I don't want to believe a person can be that delusional...

Edit: Though I would agree that Protoss does not have units like marines or hydralisks. Protoss units are not that easy to kill.
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