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Rail aka "Verdi" retires, switching to WarCraft 3

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PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
April 21 2019 08:37 GMT
#1
(P)Rail retires from proffesional SC2 and switching to WarCraft 3.



It feels like there is something with WarCraft 3 maybe?

Clarification from (P)Rail

On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote:
I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .

Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .

And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .

I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .



Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.

Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-21 08:45:28
April 21 2019 08:44 GMT
#2
Yes the scene is doing way better with come backs, more tournaments and I am pretty sure more viewers.
Thorzain is in here and he almost managed to beat Happy in bo7.
skdsk
Profile Joined February 2019
138 Posts
April 21 2019 08:56 GMT
#3
just play what you want, i spent +5year playing wc3 and bunch of time playing sc2 aswell, and im not planning to play wc3 ever again, at the end of the day, the heroes in wc3 limits the amount of strategies you can do, and basically revolve around in total 1-2 builds in race vs all other races, with optimized creep paterns and everything else along with it, sc2 has much more variaty, for example drops in wc3 basically doesnt exist..
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33426 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-21 08:58:25
April 21 2019 08:57 GMT
#4
again? https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/444638-verdi-un-un-un-retires

Anyway war3 is pretty fun, so I'm all for people playing both
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
April 21 2019 09:02 GMT
#5
Well best of luck to him. Hopefully Blizz will release more news about Reforged soon.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5509 Posts
April 21 2019 09:10 GMT
#6
He was just starting to post fairly impressive results, and he retires?? Damn I was enjoying watching his rise.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 21 2019 09:57 GMT
#7
Weird timing, he was doing fine.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
April 21 2019 09:58 GMT
#8
On April 21 2019 17:56 skdsk wrote:
just play what you want, i spent +5year playing wc3 and bunch of time playing sc2 aswell, and im not planning to play wc3 ever again, at the end of the day, the heroes in wc3 limits the amount of strategies you can do, and basically revolve around in total 1-2 builds in race vs all other races, with optimized creep paterns and everything else along with it, sc2 has much more variaty, for example drops in wc3 basically doesnt exist..


It exists too in wc3, in some extent at least, with drop zeppelin.
But the games are very differents and I agree for the variety.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
April 21 2019 10:04 GMT
#9
On April 21 2019 18:02 Musicus wrote:
Well best of luck to him. Hopefully Blizz will release more news about Reforged soon.


watching the reforged trailer alone is enough for any war 3 veteran to comeback.undeniably the best remastered version blizz've pulled out so far
cookie for them
Rail_sc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Russian Federation205 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-21 10:50:00
April 21 2019 10:35 GMT
#10
I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .

Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .

And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .

I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .



Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.

Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
https://twitter.com/verdi_wc3
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 21 2019 11:44 GMT
#11
Fair enough, good luck in WC3!
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Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-21 12:28:02
April 21 2019 12:27 GMT
#12
Best wishes to him.
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 21 2019 12:44 GMT
#13
That's too bad, I thought you were still on the rise and could have potentially fought for the #1 spot in EU sc2 in the future.

Good luck with wc3
PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
April 21 2019 13:23 GMT
#14
On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote:
I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .

Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .

And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .

I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .



Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.

Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2


Thanks for explanation
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Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
April 21 2019 13:27 GMT
#15
Nice ! What race does he play ?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25574 Posts
April 21 2019 13:41 GMT
#16
Pro gaming is only possible if one can make a living out of it, visa problems really make a really difficult task borderline undoable.

I just really hope Blizz don’t botch Warcraft Reforged

The competitive RTS scene needs other games to do well, even if they’re older games. SC Remastered helped a bit, if WC3 can get a bigger niche that would be cool too. Even it being announced has helped the scene there and there’s more content there than there was before, definitely helped me get back into the game:

I love all 3 games, so being able to watch/play all three more often really helps me from burning out on RTS as much.

Best of luck Rail!



'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
FBTsingLoong
Profile Joined April 2018
China410 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-21 14:39:56
April 21 2019 14:31 GMT
#17
On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote:
I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .

Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .

And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .

I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .



Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.

Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2


Best wishes for you.
As far as I know,there are several War3 tournaments each year in China,such as Gold league and the reborn WCG.WIsh you could come.
TyInnoMaruByunAlive,TIMBA
Nithala
Profile Joined February 2019
Serbia18 Posts
April 21 2019 14:47 GMT
#18
Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-21 14:52:45
April 21 2019 14:50 GMT
#19
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote:
Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.


Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.

Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.

Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
April 21 2019 14:54 GMT
#20
While it's sad for SC2, I'm still hyped that so many people returned to WC3 in the last years. I hope Reforged can revitalize the scene even more.
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