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jeri
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4170 Posts
 great news for the WC3 scene. The more the merrier! Welcome, welcome.wondering what race would he play.. I recon NE, but we will see.. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4170 Posts
On April 23 2019 06:53 MrFreeman wrote: Really nice insight into your decision, also a real shame, since you were doing so well recently. Shame it's W3 u r switching to, since they insist on keeping the dumb 12 unit in a group limit, won't add any story and their "With countless quality-of-life improvements" translates into fixing the path-finding. I guess I can keep my money :D . yeah,it makes sense in wc3 because there are a lot less units on the battlefield.. + it adds another layer of skill to micro. It's a good thing, definitely. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4170 Posts
On April 22 2019 17:01 jeri wrote: wc3 lol dead game. User was warned for this post. lol.. you have no idea what you're talking about.. xD | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4170 Posts
On April 21 2019 23:50 Xain0n wrote: Night Elves aren't that broken anymore. Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release. Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia. NE still broken, actually. Less than before, but it still is. @ Nithala and no,the WC3 scene is not cash deprived at all, considering it's size. Please do your research first cheers. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24796 Posts
eSports spawned from dedicated hobbyists competing for the love and the prestige and the challenge For maybe some of the older amongst us, that’s absolutely fine, eSports being a viable career is a cherry to put on top of a great game, can still have a great scene on a semi-pro or amateur basis too. I’d love to see a revitalised WC3 tournament scene for sure, as a player who isn’t super good I’m as excited on potentially having a wider and deeper player base again too. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 23 2019 07:28 M3t4PhYzX wrote: NE still broken, actually. Less than before, but it still is. @ Nithala and no,the WC3 scene is not cash deprived at all, considering it's size. Please do your research first cheers.Are they? Night Elves didn't win a single Major in 2019(even if they were still broken when TH000 beat Moon) and are not monopolizing the final stages of the tournaments the way they were doing before. KOTG probably needs to be looked at again but you can actually beat NE with decent ratios atm(Orc are still struggling, UD's mu is skill based and HU, especially chinese ones, seem to be faring pretty well against NE). | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 23 2019 07:28 M3t4PhYzX wrote: NE still broken, actually. Less than before, but it still is. @ Nithala and no,the WC3 scene is not cash deprived at all, considering it's size. Please do your research first cheers.Out of curiosity is there WC3 pro player outside of Russia-China? Or is it a BW type of scenario where there are good old players but no pro? | ||
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MrFreeman
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On April 23 2019 07:23 M3t4PhYzX wrote: yeah,it makes sense in wc3 because there are a lot less units on the battlefield.. + it adds another layer of skill to micro. It's a good thing, definitely. Well, for me it is just really intrusive and makes a mess of my macro. It's not that I need much more than that, it's the fact that it is a hard limit. You box 12 units and put them in one group, works fine, you box 13 and put them in one group, suddenly one is left out. What my muscle memory perceives as almost a same thing, has very different results, which makes the game uncomfortable. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4170 Posts
On April 23 2019 09:12 Nakajin wrote: Out of curiosity is there WC3 pro player outside of Russia-China? Or is it a BW type of scenario where there are good old players but no pro? There are players from China, South Korea and CIS region who are pro players. Semi-pros from other countries like Germany, France, Sweden. The Scene is pretty big and VERY active for a 17 year old game.. Check out the Back2Warcraft channel @ YouTube. They have tons of videos from tournaments big and small. Highly recommended. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4170 Posts
On April 23 2019 07:36 Wombat_NI wrote: Does it even need all that much cash anyway? eSports spawned from dedicated hobbyists competing for the love and the prestige and the challenge For maybe some of the older amongst us, that’s absolutely fine, eSports being a viable career is a cherry to put on top of a great game, can still have a great scene on a semi-pro or amateur basis too. I’d love to see a revitalised WC3 tournament scene for sure, as a player who isn’t super good I’m as excited on potentially having a wider and deeper player base again too. Exactly. I agree with You about the money issue. as for tournaments - The Tournament scene is revitalized :D there is a tournament literally almost every day. Big and small. Showmatches and LANs are coming back. Even TakeTV is going to organize a LAN tournament in the same location as his famous HSC. It's going to be called The Iron Couch and ToD is going to help with organization. Warcraft III is very much alive and doing very well. Especially in China and Europe. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4170 Posts
On April 23 2019 07:51 Xain0n wrote: Are they? Night Elves didn't win a single Major in 2019(even if they were still broken when TH000 beat Moon) and are not monopolizing the final stages of the tournaments the way they were doing before. KOTG probably needs to be looked at again but you can actually beat NE with decent ratios atm(Orc are still struggling, UD's mu is skill based and HU, especially chinese ones, seem to be faring pretty well against NE). KotG + Alche combo is ridiculously strong, especially after hitting lvl 6 (basically unwinable if you don't have a massive advantage as a player playing against this combo). And MGs are still ridiculously tanky. And NE t1 is just a joke, tbh.. They can play it the whole game and win. So if You want to win vs NE, you better make it quick. It's not as imbalanced as in 2nd half of 2018, but it's still pretty imbalanced vs orc (at least). | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24796 Posts
On April 23 2019 16:29 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Exactly. I agree with You about the money issue. as for tournaments - The Tournament scene is revitalized :D there is a tournament literally almost every day. Big and small. Showmatches and LANs are coming back. Even TakeTV is going to organize a LAN tournament in the same location as his famous HSC. It's going to be called The Iron Couch and ToD is going to help with organization. Warcraft III is very much alive and doing very well. Especially in China and Europe. Iron Couch is gonna be sick, I’d love to see Grubby come do some casting. Him and ToD are up there with my favourite SC2 casters, and both you can tell have more passion for the WC3 game, despite both obviously not hating SC2 I’m pretty excited really, WC3 was probably the game I played and enjoyed the most ever, but it was in an era of syncing replays to audio files if you wanted to improve, or discussing the game in forums, streaming hadn’t matured etc so I never really made the jump to playing it seriously 1v1. I’ve picked up more about playing it well in a few weeks of hardcore stream watching the likes of Grubby, ToD, Happy and Back2Warcraft than I was really able to do over the entire time I played over a decade ago. I’m pretty hopeful, the community needs to do the groundwork to keep new players around, and I think it’s looking promising. Guys like Grubby who have a popular platform across different games are getting eyes on the game, and he’s done some really good tutorials for people who are new to RTS completely. There will probably be a bunch of people who know Warcraft primarily through WoW and might check out the game for the lore and stuff who might stick around too. I’ve had some success getting some of my SC2 buddies on board, we have a really small but really tight scene over here and we all know each other from our yearly amateur LAN. Guys who are just burnt out on SC2 completely or aren’t but do want another competitive RTS experience. A bunch of us tried Brood War with Remastered, we all love that game but it’s so incredibly hard to get to a standard you can even really ladder at all vs vets. Warcraft 3 is more exciting to them because it is actually a very different game in how the strategy works and is less mechanically taxing than the Starcraft games, there’s more room to breathe and think and you have more space to engage in big micro battles. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20284 Posts
On April 23 2019 09:37 MrFreeman wrote: Well, for me it is just really intrusive and makes a mess of my macro. It's not that I need much more than that, it's the fact that it is a hard limit. You box 12 units and put them in one group, works fine, you box 13 and put them in one group, suddenly one is left out. What my muscle memory perceives as almost a same thing, has very different results, which makes the game uncomfortable. IDD. It's one of the most bizarre limitations that feels awful to play with because of that and it will kill their ability to get new players in | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24796 Posts
On April 25 2019 17:07 Cyro wrote: IDD. It's one of the most bizarre limitations that feels awful to play with because of that and it will kill their ability to get new players in It is the game though, you’d have to redo all sorts of balance stuff if you had unlimited unit selection. I’m sure at least some new players can get used to it, or might even enjoy that system, if it was changed the WC3 vets wouldn’t move over to Reforged. It’s not all that restrictive as unit numbers are a lot lower than in Brood War, which absolutely is a fight against the UI that I am not good at, but I love the game and watching the pros so was happy they kept the game the same. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20284 Posts
On April 25 2019 17:18 Wombat_NI wrote: It is the game though, you’d have to redo all sorts of balance stuff if you had unlimited unit selection. I’m sure at least some new players can get used to it, or might even enjoy that system, if it was changed the WC3 vets wouldn’t move over to Reforged. It’s not all that restrictive as unit numbers are a lot lower than in Brood War, which absolutely is a fight against the UI that I am not good at, but I love the game and watching the pros so was happy they kept the game the same. That's not argument against them having a toggle for campaign & customs, i bet an enormous amount of people would use it. If people don't wanna enable it for tournaments then so be it. | ||
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But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
