On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote: I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .
Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .
And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .
I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .
Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.
Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
Yes the scene is doing way better with come backs, more tournaments and I am pretty sure more viewers. Thorzain is in here and he almost managed to beat Happy in bo7.
just play what you want, i spent +5year playing wc3 and bunch of time playing sc2 aswell, and im not planning to play wc3 ever again, at the end of the day, the heroes in wc3 limits the amount of strategies you can do, and basically revolve around in total 1-2 builds in race vs all other races, with optimized creep paterns and everything else along with it, sc2 has much more variaty, for example drops in wc3 basically doesnt exist..
On April 21 2019 17:56 skdsk wrote: just play what you want, i spent +5year playing wc3 and bunch of time playing sc2 aswell, and im not planning to play wc3 ever again, at the end of the day, the heroes in wc3 limits the amount of strategies you can do, and basically revolve around in total 1-2 builds in race vs all other races, with optimized creep paterns and everything else along with it, sc2 has much more variaty, for example drops in wc3 basically doesnt exist..
It exists too in wc3, in some extent at least, with drop zeppelin. But the games are very differents and I agree for the variety.
On April 21 2019 18:02 Musicus wrote: Well best of luck to him. Hopefully Blizz will release more news about Reforged soon.
watching the reforged trailer alone is enough for any war 3 veteran to comeback.undeniably the best remastered version blizz've pulled out so far cookie for them
I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .
Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .
And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .
I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .
Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.
Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote: I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .
Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .
And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .
I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .
Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.
Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
Pro gaming is only possible if one can make a living out of it, visa problems really make a really difficult task borderline undoable.
I just really hope Blizz don’t botch Warcraft Reforged
The competitive RTS scene needs other games to do well, even if they’re older games. SC Remastered helped a bit, if WC3 can get a bigger niche that would be cool too. Even it being announced has helped the scene there and there’s more content there than there was before, definitely helped me get back into the game:
I love all 3 games, so being able to watch/play all three more often really helps me from burning out on RTS as much.
On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote: I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .
Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .
And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .
I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .
Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.
Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
Best wishes for you. As far as I know,there are several War3 tournaments each year in China，such as Gold league and the reborn WCG.WIsh you could come.
Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
I hear much different opinions of my friends who play at very high level. Many of them complaining to elves. Top 20 on EU server is elf populated.
Starbuck is mostly random, sometimes he main UD or HU. Verdi was HU earlier, yes.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
I hear much different opinions of my friends who play at very high level. Many of them complaining to elves. Top 20 on EU server is elf populated.
Starbuck is mostly random, sometimes he main UD or HU. Verdi was HU earlier, yes.
The patch before this one was infested by NE at every stages. They are still strong at the moment but they aren't dominating as much looking at the latest tournaments.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
It is better balanced racially for sure. On the other hand SC2 can be crazy frustrating to play for other reasons
End of the day, the scenes that built eSports didn’t have streaming, didn’t have that much cash etc.
Even if WC3 doesn’t take off hugely after Reforged, it still has a lot going for it.
I don’t like playing team games, or watching them much either, RTS is my thing genre wise and I prefer 1v1 stuff. A healthier overall RTS scene might even see someone make a new one sometime :O
Grubby switching to WC3 from Heroes alone has a fair amount of people on his chat who’ve never really played RTS but they’re sticking around and showing some interest, hell Grubby did a whole stream just to explain things to those folks
Really unfortunate to see someone quitting for circumstance driven reasons of the sort--feels much worse than just someone retiring. Regardless best of luck with WC3 Rail.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
I hear much different opinions of my friends who play at very high level. Many of them complaining to elves. Top 20 on EU server is elf populated.
Starbuck is mostly random, sometimes he main UD or HU. Verdi was HU earlier, yes.
The patch before this one was infested by NE at every stages. They are still strong at the moment but they aren't dominating as much looking at the latest tournaments.
Well, I am not following scene much for past 4,5 months but when i played I know so many players switched and played kotg+alchemist combo which was sick. I m glad if things changed but I see many WCG competitors on EU event complaining about elf again.
On April 21 2019 18:02 Musicus wrote: Well best of luck to him. Hopefully Blizz will release more news about Reforged soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odmvx-T8uJc watching the reforged trailer alone is enough for any war 3 veteran to comeback.undeniably the best remastered version blizz've pulled out so far cookie for them
It definitely looks great and my friends and I are already back on the wc3 train. But still, they haven't shown anything new since BlizzCon. Even just releasing the Nightelf unit models or something like that would be cool to keep the hype going.
Edit: Also damn, the visa situation is really horrible for russian players now .
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
It is better balanced racially for sure. On the other hand SC2 can be crazy frustrating to play for other reasons
End of the day, the scenes that built eSports didn’t have streaming, didn’t have that much cash etc.
Even if WC3 doesn’t take off hugely after Reforged, it still has a lot going for it.
I don’t like playing team games, or watching them much either, RTS is my thing genre wise and I prefer 1v1 stuff. A healthier overall RTS scene might even see someone make a new one sometime :O
Grubby switching to WC3 from Heroes alone has a fair amount of people on his chat who’ve never really played RTS but they’re sticking around and showing some interest, hell Grubby did a whole stream just to explain things to those folks
Well, it would be surely something which would atract me. But I see many 7 day comebacks. Grubby did great job, so as Happy but they live of streaming. Not of tournaments they dont participate in. Maybe in reforged. I mean, I am very nostalgic about names and teams which are established lately but game stayed in bad state. We will see what reforged brings to us but im expressing my own opinion that its going to fail.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
I hear much different opinions of my friends who play at very high level. Many of them complaining to elves. Top 20 on EU server is elf populated.
Starbuck is mostly random, sometimes he main UD or HU. Verdi was HU earlier, yes.
The patch before this one was infested by NE at every stages. They are still strong at the moment but they aren't dominating as much looking at the latest tournaments.
Well, I am not following scene much for past 4,5 months but when i played I know so many players switched and played kotg+alchemist combo which was sick. I m glad if things changed but I see many WCG competitors on EU event complaining about elf again.
I mean if Grubby is complaining there’s probably a problem. Not because he’s always right but he’s mr positive and focus on improving.
He plays a different race each stream night, on his Nelf night he has swapped to going Warden in all non-mirrors on a few days, because he felt Keeper is too good/boring and wanted to mix it up.
So yeah I think it’s safe to say Nelf is probably a bit strong, although I believe a patch is coming soon
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
I hear much different opinions of my friends who play at very high level. Many of them complaining to elves. Top 20 on EU server is elf populated.
Starbuck is mostly random, sometimes he main UD or HU. Verdi was HU earlier, yes.
The patch before this one was infested by NE at every stages. They are still strong at the moment but they aren't dominating as much looking at the latest tournaments.
Well, I am not following scene much for past 4,5 months but when i played I know so many players switched and played kotg+alchemist combo which was sick. I m glad if things changed but I see many WCG competitors on EU event complaining about elf again.
I mean if Grubby is complaining there’s probably a problem. Not because he’s always right but he’s mr positive and focus on improving.
He plays a different race each stream night, on his Nelf night he has swapped to going Warden in all non-mirrors on a few days, because he felt Keeper is too good/boring and wanted to mix it up.
So yeah I think it’s safe to say Nelf is probably a bit strong, although I believe a patch is coming soon
To be honest he had insane win rate with elf. Its not only KOTG broken, giants taking 6 food, double taunt, chimaeras without AoWing, etc. ToD complain often and [plays only human. He is natural whiner but he had point, obviioulsy, as long as wc3 Blizzard officials responded to his tweets couple of times.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
I hear much different opinions of my friends who play at very high level. Many of them complaining to elves. Top 20 on EU server is elf populated.
Starbuck is mostly random, sometimes he main UD or HU. Verdi was HU earlier, yes.
The patch before this one was infested by NE at every stages. They are still strong at the moment but they aren't dominating as much looking at the latest tournaments.
Well, I am not following scene much for past 4,5 months but when i played I know so many players switched and played kotg+alchemist combo which was sick. I m glad if things changed but I see many WCG competitors on EU event complaining about elf again.
I mean if Grubby is complaining there’s probably a problem. Not because he’s always right but he’s mr positive and focus on improving.
He plays a different race each stream night, on his Nelf night he has swapped to going Warden in all non-mirrors on a few days, because he felt Keeper is too good/boring and wanted to mix it up.
So yeah I think it’s safe to say Nelf is probably a bit strong, although I believe a patch is coming soon
To be honest he had insane win rate with elf. Its not only KOTG broken, giants taking 6 food, double taunt, chimaeras without AoWing, etc. ToD complain often and [plays only human. He is natural whiner but he had point, obviioulsy, as long as wc3 Blizzard officials responded to his tweets couple of times.
Five months ago NE were indeed broken; ToD always complains about Human being weak but they were actually the only ones to steal tournament wins in that patch.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
I hear much different opinions of my friends who play at very high level. Many of them complaining to elves. Top 20 on EU server is elf populated.
Starbuck is mostly random, sometimes he main UD or HU. Verdi was HU earlier, yes.
The patch before this one was infested by NE at every stages. They are still strong at the moment but they aren't dominating as much looking at the latest tournaments.
Well, I am not following scene much for past 4,5 months but when i played I know so many players switched and played kotg+alchemist combo which was sick. I m glad if things changed but I see many WCG competitors on EU event complaining about elf again.
I mean if Grubby is complaining there’s probably a problem. Not because he’s always right but he’s mr positive and focus on improving.
He plays a different race each stream night, on his Nelf night he has swapped to going Warden in all non-mirrors on a few days, because he felt Keeper is too good/boring and wanted to mix it up.
So yeah I think it’s safe to say Nelf is probably a bit strong, although I believe a patch is coming soon
To be honest he had insane win rate with elf. Its not only KOTG broken, giants taking 6 food, double taunt, chimaeras without AoWing, etc. ToD complain often and [plays only human. He is natural whiner but he had point, obviioulsy, as long as wc3 Blizzard officials responded to his tweets couple of times.
ToD has a point he knows the game, but he is a natural whiner, Grubby is basically the opposite. Doesn’t mean ToD is wrong, Idra used to actually be right a lot but he’d complain even if he was wrong.
I suck at WC3, but I’m watching it a lot now, have a pretty decent RTS brain I guess, KoTG just looks wrong to watch.
I think he fills too many roles way too well, but this is made way worse by him synergising super well with Nelf’s other strengths too. Entangle plus high damage ranged units that are physically fragile, treeants as a meatshield.
Put him in Orc or Human, yeah he’s still very strong but maybe not as strong.
Plus Nelf can already AoW creep and fast expand even without having to use a Keeper, he makes it easier and quicker, or he can go solo harass with treeants. Or he works super well with a cheesy rush.
Good on him. WCS has been an absolute crapshow ever since Blizzard commandeered the entire scene.
Years of visa issues, controversies, scalpers selling Blizzcon tickets at vastly inflated prices, and disappointed esports fans should have told Blizzard not to host the SC2 world finals in Blizzcon every bloody year. Any other competent or caring publisher would have tried to host the finals in a more neutral country with less draconian visa regulations.
Blizzcon is a stupid place to host the world finals because it's an event that sells out in seconds, and most of the people who snap up those tickets are either scalpers or WoW/Diablo/Overwatch fans who have little to no interest in esports.
WC3 is enjoyable to watch although I still prefer BW and then SC2.
But I've heard Hawk complain that there isn't really any more innovation besides switching build orders to accommodate the latest patch like the popularity of opening Keeper.
That said streams are still pretty enjoyable and the USD/RUB exchange rate being what it is, it's never been a better time to support Russian streamers. Good luck Rail!
On April 22 2019 02:42 Clbull wrote: Good on him. WCS has been an absolute crapshow ever since Blizzard commandeered the entire scene.
Years of visa issues, controversies, scalpers selling Blizzcon tickets at vastly inflated prices, and disappointed esports fans should have told Blizzard not to host the SC2 world finals in Blizzcon every bloody year. Any other competent or caring publisher would have tried to host the finals in a more neutral country with less draconian visa regulations.
Blizzcon is a stupid place to host the world finals because it's an event that sells out in seconds, and most of the people who snap up those tickets are either scalpers or WoW/Diablo/Overwatch fans who have little to no interest in esports.
I mean where do you host it though?
There are absolutely downsides as well, I don’t think WCS finals get close to the hype and viewership bump, plus additional prize pool that comes with being attached to Blizzcon
Visa issues are extremely unfortunate for individuals, are they that specifically draconian though?
I can’t imagine in the current climate it’s particularly easy to get a visa to the UK for example when Roman Abramovich is having issues in that regard.
On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote: I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .
Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .
And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .
I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .
Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.
Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
thanks man, gl in wc3! i'm sure we will meet on the ladder in the future^^
Also, in general, wc3 scene is doing fairly well, and foreigners are quite competitive with the koreans and chinese, at least some. Foggy posts very good results, the guys behind him like HawK are not bad either. And Happy basically wins everything he attends, rarely loses map against even Foggy, but considers himself a streamer mostly, which is pretty nuts. dood has 99% ladder winrate with over 500 games...
On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote: I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .
Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .
And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .
I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .
Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.
Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
thanks man, gl in wc3! i'm sure we will meet on the ladder in the future^^
Also, in general, wc3 scene is doing fairly well, and foreigners are quite competitive with the koreans and chinese, at least some. Foggy posts very good results, the guys behind him like HawK are not bad either. And Happy basically wins everything he attends, rarely loses map against even Foggy, but considers himself a streamer mostly, which is pretty nuts. dood has 99% ladder winrate with over 500 games...
It’s actually something terrible like 98.5% over 1900 games actually. Crazy stuff
On April 21 2019 19:35 Rail_sc2 wrote: I can't attend any wcs event . Even if i would qualify top-6 at WCS Winter , i would have difficults with getting visa in US since last year you cant get US-Visa in moscow/piter anymore .
Now there is 2 Wcs-Ukraine events , man of my age also got strong difficults to get in ukraine . Hope brat_ok ( he's older than military service ) and skillous ( he's younger than military service ) can get in Kiev .
And last event is WCS-Montreal which requires very expensive in russia VISA ( 350-400 $ ) + expensive trip/living costs .
I mean if you Russian - u better change ur passport to some other country or find urself in different games .
Also i love to play wc3 , but enjoyed play sc2 as well , and reason of retirement not something " lost couple of games and tilt " . My current mmr on bar-code on eu server was around 6700 , and i felt pretty confident in overall progressing ( even if it's connected to current protoss-patch ) .I felt like i play better in pvp's vs notable players , so compared to other protoss-players my skill growed up . But europe region is europe region . U can progress a lot , but u still behind better players , and number of slots/space are so little . Look at last challanger-qualifers . Such a giants of eu-sc2 as Bly and Mana couldnt qualify in top-16 eu . Concurence increased a lot due the state of game last years . Some should get out of this eco-system . It's personal decision like Snute's Happy's etc.
Soi see global objectives and reasons to this switch due my perspectives and career . Thx everyone who cheered for me in sc2
thanks man, gl in wc3! i'm sure we will meet on the ladder in the future^^
Also, in general, wc3 scene is doing fairly well, and foreigners are quite competitive with the koreans and chinese, at least some. Foggy posts very good results, the guys behind him like HawK are not bad either. And Happy basically wins everything he attends, rarely loses map against even Foggy, but considers himself a streamer mostly, which is pretty nuts. dood has 99% ladder winrate with over 500 games...
He confirmed participating in WGL in China "if" he does qualify!
Really nice insight into your decision, also a real shame, since you were doing so well recently. Shame it's W3 u r switching to, since they insist on keeping the dumb 12 unit in a group limit, won't add any story and their "With countless quality-of-life improvements" translates into fixing the path-finding. I guess I can keep my money :D .
On April 23 2019 06:53 MrFreeman wrote: Really nice insight into your decision, also a real shame, since you were doing so well recently. Shame it's W3 u r switching to, since they insist on keeping the dumb 12 unit in a group limit, won't add any story and their "With countless quality-of-life improvements" translates into fixing the path-finding. I guess I can keep my money :D .
yeah,it makes sense in wc3 because there are a lot less units on the battlefield..
+ it adds another layer of skill to micro. It's a good thing, definitely.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
NE still broken, actually. Less than before, but it still is.
@ Nithala and no,the WC3 scene is not cash deprived at all, considering it's size. Please do your research first cheers.
eSports spawned from dedicated hobbyists competing for the love and the prestige and the challenge
For maybe some of the older amongst us, that’s absolutely fine, eSports being a viable career is a cherry to put on top of a great game, can still have a great scene on a semi-pro or amateur basis too.
I’d love to see a revitalised WC3 tournament scene for sure, as a player who isn’t super good I’m as excited on potentially having a wider and deeper player base again too.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
NE still broken, actually. Less than before, but it still is.
@ Nithala and no,the WC3 scene is not cash deprived at all, considering it's size. Please do your research first cheers.
Are they? Night Elves didn't win a single Major in 2019(even if they were still broken when TH000 beat Moon) and are not monopolizing the final stages of the tournaments the way they were doing before.
KOTG probably needs to be looked at again but you can actually beat NE with decent ratios atm(Orc are still struggling, UD's mu is skill based and HU, especially chinese ones, seem to be faring pretty well against NE).
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
NE still broken, actually. Less than before, but it still is.
@ Nithala and no,the WC3 scene is not cash deprived at all, considering it's size. Please do your research first cheers.
Out of curiosity is there WC3 pro player outside of Russia-China? Or is it a BW type of scenario where there are good old players but no pro?
On April 23 2019 06:53 MrFreeman wrote: Really nice insight into your decision, also a real shame, since you were doing so well recently. Shame it's W3 u r switching to, since they insist on keeping the dumb 12 unit in a group limit, won't add any story and their "With countless quality-of-life improvements" translates into fixing the path-finding. I guess I can keep my money :D .
yeah,it makes sense in wc3 because there are a lot less units on the battlefield..
+ it adds another layer of skill to micro. It's a good thing, definitely.
Well, for me it is just really intrusive and makes a mess of my macro. It's not that I need much more than that, it's the fact that it is a hard limit. You box 12 units and put them in one group, works fine, you box 13 and put them in one group, suddenly one is left out. What my muscle memory perceives as almost a same thing, has very different results, which makes the game uncomfortable.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
NE still broken, actually. Less than before, but it still is.
@ Nithala and no,the WC3 scene is not cash deprived at all, considering it's size. Please do your research first cheers.
Out of curiosity is there WC3 pro player outside of Russia-China? Or is it a BW type of scenario where there are good old players but no pro?
There are players from China, South Korea and CIS region who are pro players.
Semi-pros from other countries like Germany, France, Sweden. The Scene is pretty big and VERY active for a 17 year old game.. Check out the Back2Warcraft channel @ YouTube. They have tons of videos from tournaments big and small. Highly recommended.
On April 23 2019 07:36 Wombat_NI wrote: Does it even need all that much cash anyway?
eSports spawned from dedicated hobbyists competing for the love and the prestige and the challenge
For maybe some of the older amongst us, that’s absolutely fine, eSports being a viable career is a cherry to put on top of a great game, can still have a great scene on a semi-pro or amateur basis too.
I’d love to see a revitalised WC3 tournament scene for sure, as a player who isn’t super good I’m as excited on potentially having a wider and deeper player base again too.
Exactly. I agree with You about the money issue.
as for tournaments - The Tournament scene is revitalized :D there is a tournament literally almost every day. Big and small. Showmatches and LANs are coming back. Even TakeTV is going to organize a LAN tournament in the same location as his famous HSC. It's going to be called The Iron Couch and ToD is going to help with organization.
Warcraft III is very much alive and doing very well. Especially in China and Europe.
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
NE still broken, actually. Less than before, but it still is.
@ Nithala and no,the WC3 scene is not cash deprived at all, considering it's size. Please do your research first cheers.
Are they? Night Elves didn't win a single Major in 2019(even if they were still broken when TH000 beat Moon) and are not monopolizing the final stages of the tournaments the way they were doing before.
KOTG probably needs to be looked at again but you can actually beat NE with decent ratios atm(Orc are still struggling, UD's mu is skill based and HU, especially chinese ones, seem to be faring pretty well against NE).
KotG + Alche combo is ridiculously strong, especially after hitting lvl 6 (basically unwinable if you don't have a massive advantage as a player playing against this combo). And MGs are still ridiculously tanky. And NE t1 is just a joke, tbh.. They can play it the whole game and win. So if You want to win vs NE, you better make it quick.
It's not as imbalanced as in 2nd half of 2018, but it's still pretty imbalanced vs orc (at least).
On April 23 2019 07:36 Wombat_NI wrote: Does it even need all that much cash anyway?
eSports spawned from dedicated hobbyists competing for the love and the prestige and the challenge
For maybe some of the older amongst us, that’s absolutely fine, eSports being a viable career is a cherry to put on top of a great game, can still have a great scene on a semi-pro or amateur basis too.
I’d love to see a revitalised WC3 tournament scene for sure, as a player who isn’t super good I’m as excited on potentially having a wider and deeper player base again too.
Exactly. I agree with You about the money issue.
as for tournaments - The Tournament scene is revitalized :D there is a tournament literally almost every day. Big and small. Showmatches and LANs are coming back. Even TakeTV is going to organize a LAN tournament in the same location as his famous HSC. It's going to be called The Iron Couch and ToD is going to help with organization.
Warcraft III is very much alive and doing very well. Especially in China and Europe.
Iron Couch is gonna be sick, I’d love to see Grubby come do some casting. Him and ToD are up there with my favourite SC2 casters, and both you can tell have more passion for the WC3 game, despite both obviously not hating SC2
I’m pretty excited really, WC3 was probably the game I played and enjoyed the most ever, but it was in an era of syncing replays to audio files if you wanted to improve, or discussing the game in forums, streaming hadn’t matured etc so I never really made the jump to playing it seriously 1v1.
I’ve picked up more about playing it well in a few weeks of hardcore stream watching the likes of Grubby, ToD, Happy and Back2Warcraft than I was really able to do over the entire time I played over a decade ago.
I’m pretty hopeful, the community needs to do the groundwork to keep new players around, and I think it’s looking promising.
Guys like Grubby who have a popular platform across different games are getting eyes on the game, and he’s done some really good tutorials for people who are new to RTS completely.
There will probably be a bunch of people who know Warcraft primarily through WoW and might check out the game for the lore and stuff who might stick around too.
I’ve had some success getting some of my SC2 buddies on board, we have a really small but really tight scene over here and we all know each other from our yearly amateur LAN. Guys who are just burnt out on SC2 completely or aren’t but do want another competitive RTS experience.
A bunch of us tried Brood War with Remastered, we all love that game but it’s so incredibly hard to get to a standard you can even really ladder at all vs vets.
Warcraft 3 is more exciting to them because it is actually a very different game in how the strategy works and is less mechanically taxing than the Starcraft games, there’s more room to breathe and think and you have more space to engage in big micro battles.
On April 23 2019 06:53 MrFreeman wrote: Really nice insight into your decision, also a real shame, since you were doing so well recently. Shame it's W3 u r switching to, since they insist on keeping the dumb 12 unit in a group limit, won't add any story and their "With countless quality-of-life improvements" translates into fixing the path-finding. I guess I can keep my money :D .
yeah,it makes sense in wc3 because there are a lot less units on the battlefield..
+ it adds another layer of skill to micro. It's a good thing, definitely.
Well, for me it is just really intrusive and makes a mess of my macro. It's not that I need much more than that, it's the fact that it is a hard limit. You box 12 units and put them in one group, works fine, you box 13 and put them in one group, suddenly one is left out. What my muscle memory perceives as almost a same thing, has very different results, which makes the game uncomfortable.
IDD. It's one of the most bizarre limitations that feels awful to play with because of that and it will kill their ability to get new players in
On April 23 2019 06:53 MrFreeman wrote: Really nice insight into your decision, also a real shame, since you were doing so well recently. Shame it's W3 u r switching to, since they insist on keeping the dumb 12 unit in a group limit, won't add any story and their "With countless quality-of-life improvements" translates into fixing the path-finding. I guess I can keep my money :D .
yeah,it makes sense in wc3 because there are a lot less units on the battlefield..
+ it adds another layer of skill to micro. It's a good thing, definitely.
Well, for me it is just really intrusive and makes a mess of my macro. It's not that I need much more than that, it's the fact that it is a hard limit. You box 12 units and put them in one group, works fine, you box 13 and put them in one group, suddenly one is left out. What my muscle memory perceives as almost a same thing, has very different results, which makes the game uncomfortable.
IDD. It's one of the most bizarre limitations that feels awful to play with because of that and it will kill their ability to get new players in
It is the game though, you’d have to redo all sorts of balance stuff if you had unlimited unit selection.
I’m sure at least some new players can get used to it, or might even enjoy that system, if it was changed the WC3 vets wouldn’t move over to Reforged.
It’s not all that restrictive as unit numbers are a lot lower than in Brood War, which absolutely is a fight against the UI that I am not good at, but I love the game and watching the pros so was happy they kept the game the same.
On April 23 2019 06:53 MrFreeman wrote: Really nice insight into your decision, also a real shame, since you were doing so well recently. Shame it's W3 u r switching to, since they insist on keeping the dumb 12 unit in a group limit, won't add any story and their "With countless quality-of-life improvements" translates into fixing the path-finding. I guess I can keep my money :D .
yeah,it makes sense in wc3 because there are a lot less units on the battlefield..
+ it adds another layer of skill to micro. It's a good thing, definitely.
Well, for me it is just really intrusive and makes a mess of my macro. It's not that I need much more than that, it's the fact that it is a hard limit. You box 12 units and put them in one group, works fine, you box 13 and put them in one group, suddenly one is left out. What my muscle memory perceives as almost a same thing, has very different results, which makes the game uncomfortable.
IDD. It's one of the most bizarre limitations that feels awful to play with because of that and it will kill their ability to get new players in
It is the game though, you’d have to redo all sorts of balance stuff if you had unlimited unit selection.
I’m sure at least some new players can get used to it, or might even enjoy that system, if it was changed the WC3 vets wouldn’t move over to Reforged.
It’s not all that restrictive as unit numbers are a lot lower than in Brood War, which absolutely is a fight against the UI that I am not good at, but I love the game and watching the pros so was happy they kept the game the same.
That's not argument against them having a toggle for campaign & customs, i bet an enormous amount of people would use it.
If people don't wanna enable it for tournaments then so be it.
On April 23 2019 06:53 MrFreeman wrote: Really nice insight into your decision, also a real shame, since you were doing so well recently. Shame it's W3 u r switching to, since they insist on keeping the dumb 12 unit in a group limit, won't add any story and their "With countless quality-of-life improvements" translates into fixing the path-finding. I guess I can keep my money :D .
yeah,it makes sense in wc3 because there are a lot less units on the battlefield..
+ it adds another layer of skill to micro. It's a good thing, definitely.
Well, for me it is just really intrusive and makes a mess of my macro. It's not that I need much more than that, it's the fact that it is a hard limit. You box 12 units and put them in one group, works fine, you box 13 and put them in one group, suddenly one is left out. What my muscle memory perceives as almost a same thing, has very different results, which makes the game uncomfortable.
IDD. It's one of the most bizarre limitations that feels awful to play with because of that and it will kill their ability to get new players in
It is the game though, you’d have to redo all sorts of balance stuff if you had unlimited unit selection.
I’m sure at least some new players can get used to it, or might even enjoy that system, if it was changed the WC3 vets wouldn’t move over to Reforged.
It’s not all that restrictive as unit numbers are a lot lower than in Brood War, which absolutely is a fight against the UI that I am not good at, but I love the game and watching the pros so was happy they kept the game the same.
That's not argument against them having a toggle for campaign & customs, i bet an enormous amount of people would use it.
If people don't wanna enable it for tournaments then so be it.
As long as people can’t use it on ladder I don’t mind having certain things be campaign/custom only or whatever.
Have Blizz 100% confirmed they won’t do such a thing incidentally?
On April 21 2019 23:47 Nithala wrote: Well, many returned to it, even Stabuck who qualified for last WCS But I dont see reforged making huge impact on wc3 scene, its too small and cash deprieved. I did come back to sc2 even tho my first RTS was wc3, and I loving it, but game is broken with NELF patch and it will remain like that, so I see many returning to sc2 aswell. Even tho it isnt perfect its far better balanced then wc3.
Night Elves aren't that broken anymore.
Activision-Blizzard will surely sponsor new tournaments after Reforged's release.
Which race is StarBuck playing? Rail/Verdi is Human according to Liquipedia.
I hear much different opinions of my friends who play at very high level. Many of them complaining to elves. Top 20 on EU server is elf populated.
Starbuck is mostly random, sometimes he main UD or HU. Verdi was HU earlier, yes.
The patch before this one was infested by NE at every stages. They are still strong at the moment but they aren't dominating as much looking at the latest tournaments.
Well, I am not following scene much for past 4,5 months but when i played I know so many players switched and played kotg+alchemist combo which was sick. I m glad if things changed but I see many WCG competitors on EU event complaining about elf again.
I mean if Grubby is complaining there’s probably a problem. Not because he’s always right but he’s mr positive and focus on improving.
He plays a different race each stream night, on his Nelf night he has swapped to going Warden in all non-mirrors on a few days, because he felt Keeper is too good/boring and wanted to mix it up.
So yeah I think it’s safe to say Nelf is probably a bit strong, although I believe a patch is coming soon
To be honest he had insane win rate with elf. Its not only KOTG broken, giants taking 6 food, double taunt, chimaeras without AoWing, etc. ToD complain often and [plays only human. He is natural whiner but he had point, obviioulsy, as long as wc3 Blizzard officials responded to his tweets couple of times.
Five months ago NE were indeed broken; ToD always complains about Human being weak but they were actually the only ones to steal tournament wins in that patch.
sounds like terran to me.but human also looks like they are the most advanced race in wow ,almost like protoss thanks to gandalf and dem hobbits
EPT
Rail retires from proffesional SC2 and switching to WarCraft 3.
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