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Since there aren't enough GOAT threads in the forum, I would like to bring up the argument that Maru is GOAT by GSL Code S medal count.
Here's I'm only counting tournaments that have "GSL Code S" in their names, so no Open Season, Super Tournament, Blizz/HotSix Cup, GSL v World, Global/World Championship, SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb.
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(Bronze is 3rd/4th place, so each Code S awards 2 bronze medals)
As you can see, Maru is GOAT for having 8 Code S medals, while soO is fated to be number 2 in every single ranking.
Also Stats is the only one with the 1-1-1 Code S build.
Interestingly, if you go by Olympics medal ranking rule, i.e. # of Gold > # of Silver > # of Bronze, Mvp would still be ranked number one if Maru loses Classic. Just goes to show that Mvp is still relevant in the GOAT debate even to this day. Definitely the King of WoL.
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Pardon me, but what is a GOAT anyway......?
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On April 14 2019 12:49 5ecured wrote:
Pardon me, but what is a GOAT anyway......?
Greatest Of All Time. It's like the B-word.
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No such thing as a GSL bronze medal. And if you don't count the Ro4 finishes (or if you do something wishy-washy and count them as a half medal) Maru ain't first.
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You can´t give one point for each medal, that makes no sense. At least give gold=3 points, silver=2 points and bronze=1 point. Or something else.
Then it would be:
Maru: 15/16 points
Mvp: 14
soO: 13
Inno: 12
So still Maru first, but a bit more reasonable (at least in my eyes).
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Oh I thought GOAT was God of All Things ...aka the best
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Rankings aside, it's still so weird to see the number count and see MVP, Nestea and Life so high up. Really quite amazing what they all did in the short span of time they played comparative to how long the game has been out now.
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I would count OSL and SSL at least close to GSL
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On April 14 2019 13:42 Rob-Zero wrote:
You can´t give one point for each medal, that makes no sense. At least give gold=3 points, silver=2 points and bronze=1 point. Or something else.
Then it would be:
Maru: 15/16 points
Mvp: 14
soO: 13
Inno: 12
So still Maru first, but a bit more reasonable (at least in my eyes).
it's pretty clear that the current GOAT is among those 4 tho
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On April 14 2019 14:34 shadow4723 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 13:42 Rob-Zero wrote:
You can´t give one point for each medal, that makes no sense. At least give gold=3 points, silver=2 points and bronze=1 point. Or something else.
Then it would be:
Maru: 15/16 points
Mvp: 14
soO: 13
Inno: 12
So still Maru first, but a bit more reasonable (at least in my eyes).
it's pretty clear that the current GOAT is among those 4 tho
Not really, Life is a serious contender.
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On April 14 2019 14:37 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 14:34 shadow4723 wrote:On April 14 2019 13:42 Rob-Zero wrote:
You can´t give one point for each medal, that makes no sense. At least give gold=3 points, silver=2 points and bronze=1 point. Or something else.
Then it would be:
Maru: 15/16 points
Mvp: 14
soO: 13
Inno: 12
So still Maru first, but a bit more reasonable (at least in my eyes).
it's pretty clear that the current GOAT is among those 4 tho Not really, Life is a serious contender.
Ehh... He would be if he didn't get banned from the game for... life.
I actually consider him fortunate that they aren't retroactively removing his previous achievements. (Other than removing his Blizzcon winner banner, ofc)
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It should be more like gold = 7, silver = 3 and ro4 = 1. Or even gold = 5 and silver =1 and nothing for ro4.
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On April 14 2019 15:25 `dunedain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 14:37 stilt wrote:On April 14 2019 14:34 shadow4723 wrote:On April 14 2019 13:42 Rob-Zero wrote:
You can´t give one point for each medal, that makes no sense. At least give gold=3 points, silver=2 points and bronze=1 point. Or something else.
Then it would be:
Maru: 15/16 points
Mvp: 14
soO: 13
Inno: 12
So still Maru first, but a bit more reasonable (at least in my eyes).
it's pretty clear that the current GOAT is among those 4 tho Not really, Life is a serious contender. Ehh... He would be if he didn't get banned from the game for... life. I actually consider him fortunate that they aren't retroactively removing his previous achievements. (Other than removing his Blizzcon winner banner, ofc)
I don't erase someone's achievements for his low integrity. (except when it is about politics) so this discussion is already pointless indeed.
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Apart from arguing about the point valuation of golds and silvers, there's also the obvious point that myopically looking at the top 4 of code S is a fundamentally flawed way of trying to gauge who the greatest player is.
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I don’t think they play the bronze medal match though, so it should be something like gold worth 4 points, silver worth 2, bronze worth 0.75 (half way between 1 and 0.5).
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On April 14 2019 16:09 Serimek wrote:
I'm too lazy to check: are there only 15 players who made it to ro4 in Code S history?
Most probably not, but they're not important for this discussion 
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I'm not quite sure if RorO or Sniper is the GOAT.
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On April 14 2019 12:46 argonautdice wrote:
SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb
How are they inferior exactly? The OSL that Maru won literally ran instead of Code S that season, while having the same players/prize pool/was points.
The reason it was called OSL instead of GSL was because OGN broadcasted the playoffs that season.
SSL in 2015/2016 was basically the same as GSL as well. The 2017 SSL is debatable I guess
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On April 14 2019 16:40 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 12:46 argonautdice wrote:
SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb How are they inferior exactly? The OSL that Maru won literally ran instead of Code S that season, while having the same players/prize pool/was points. The reason it was called OSL instead of GSL was because OGN broadcasted the playoffs that season. SSL in 2015/2016 was basically the same as GSL as well. The 2017 SSL is debatable I guess
It wasn't inferior in any way like you say. However (a lot of) people didn't accept another good tournament and only valued GSL which is also why the viewer numbers of SSL/OSL were quite a lot lower.
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On April 14 2019 12:46 argonautdice wrote:Since there aren't enough GOAT threads in the forum, I would like to bring up the argument that Maru is GOAT by GSL Code S medal count. Here's I'm only counting tournaments that have "GSL Code S" in their names, so no Open Season, Super Tournament, Blizz/HotSix Cup, GSL v World, Global/World Championship, SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb. (Bronze is 3rd/4th place, so each Code S awards 2 bronze medals) As you can see, Maru is GOAT for having 8 Code S medals, while soO is fated to be number 2 in every single ranking. Also Stats is the only one with the 1-1-1 Code S build. Interestingly, if you go by Olympics medal ranking rule, i.e. # of Gold > # of Silver > # of Bronze, Mvp would still be ranked number one if Maru loses Classic. Just goes to show that Mvp is still relevant in the GOAT debate even to this day. Definitely the King of WoL.
Whole methodology is flawed. Bronze is not a medal in GSL, the 3rd-4th place match is not even played. And it's a ridiculous placement anyways, what the hell is so great about finished 3rd? Football players have loathed the Bronze match at the world cup for ages, and with good reason.
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On April 14 2019 16:48 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 12:46 argonautdice wrote:Since there aren't enough GOAT threads in the forum, I would like to bring up the argument that Maru is GOAT by GSL Code S medal count. Here's I'm only counting tournaments that have "GSL Code S" in their names, so no Open Season, Super Tournament, Blizz/HotSix Cup, GSL v World, Global/World Championship, SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb. (Bronze is 3rd/4th place, so each Code S awards 2 bronze medals) As you can see, Maru is GOAT for having 8 Code S medals, while soO is fated to be number 2 in every single ranking. Also Stats is the only one with the 1-1-1 Code S build. Interestingly, if you go by Olympics medal ranking rule, i.e. # of Gold > # of Silver > # of Bronze, Mvp would still be ranked number one if Maru loses Classic. Just goes to show that Mvp is still relevant in the GOAT debate even to this day. Definitely the King of WoL. Whole methodology is flawed. Bronze is not a medal in GSL, the 3rd-4th place match is not even played. And it's a ridiculous placement anyways, what the hell is so great about finished 3rd? Football players have loathed the Bronze match at the world cup for ages, and with good reason.
Read, then rage.
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Maru is probably the greatest GSL-player ever. But there are no third places in GSL. Also, Maru can be the best without op trolling:
"because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb."
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On April 14 2019 17:10 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 16:48 sneakyfox wrote:On April 14 2019 12:46 argonautdice wrote:Since there aren't enough GOAT threads in the forum, I would like to bring up the argument that Maru is GOAT by GSL Code S medal count. Here's I'm only counting tournaments that have "GSL Code S" in their names, so no Open Season, Super Tournament, Blizz/HotSix Cup, GSL v World, Global/World Championship, SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb. (Bronze is 3rd/4th place, so each Code S awards 2 bronze medals) As you can see, Maru is GOAT for having 8 Code S medals, while soO is fated to be number 2 in every single ranking. Also Stats is the only one with the 1-1-1 Code S build. Interestingly, if you go by Olympics medal ranking rule, i.e. # of Gold > # of Silver > # of Bronze, Mvp would still be ranked number one if Maru loses Classic. Just goes to show that Mvp is still relevant in the GOAT debate even to this day. Definitely the King of WoL. Whole methodology is flawed. Bronze is not a medal in GSL, the 3rd-4th place match is not even played. And it's a ridiculous placement anyways, what the hell is so great about finished 3rd? Football players have loathed the Bronze match at the world cup for ages, and with good reason. Read, then rage.
What do you mean?
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On April 14 2019 17:23 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 17:10 deacon.frost wrote:On April 14 2019 16:48 sneakyfox wrote:On April 14 2019 12:46 argonautdice wrote:Since there aren't enough GOAT threads in the forum, I would like to bring up the argument that Maru is GOAT by GSL Code S medal count. Here's I'm only counting tournaments that have "GSL Code S" in their names, so no Open Season, Super Tournament, Blizz/HotSix Cup, GSL v World, Global/World Championship, SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb. (Bronze is 3rd/4th place, so each Code S awards 2 bronze medals) As you can see, Maru is GOAT for having 8 Code S medals, while soO is fated to be number 2 in every single ranking. Also Stats is the only one with the 1-1-1 Code S build. Interestingly, if you go by Olympics medal ranking rule, i.e. # of Gold > # of Silver > # of Bronze, Mvp would still be ranked number one if Maru loses Classic. Just goes to show that Mvp is still relevant in the GOAT debate even to this day. Definitely the King of WoL. Whole methodology is flawed. Bronze is not a medal in GSL, the 3rd-4th place match is not even played. And it's a ridiculous placement anyways, what the hell is so great about finished 3rd? Football players have loathed the Bronze match at the world cup for ages, and with good reason. Read, then rage. What do you mean?
He mentioned GSL doesn't have 3rd place and that its kinda pointles-ish because every GSL rewards with 2 3rd places 
Edit> Also it is still an acomplishment, getting top 4 in the world
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On April 14 2019 17:30 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 17:23 sneakyfox wrote:On April 14 2019 17:10 deacon.frost wrote:On April 14 2019 16:48 sneakyfox wrote:On April 14 2019 12:46 argonautdice wrote:Since there aren't enough GOAT threads in the forum, I would like to bring up the argument that Maru is GOAT by GSL Code S medal count. Here's I'm only counting tournaments that have "GSL Code S" in their names, so no Open Season, Super Tournament, Blizz/HotSix Cup, GSL v World, Global/World Championship, SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb. (Bronze is 3rd/4th place, so each Code S awards 2 bronze medals) As you can see, Maru is GOAT for having 8 Code S medals, while soO is fated to be number 2 in every single ranking. Also Stats is the only one with the 1-1-1 Code S build. Interestingly, if you go by Olympics medal ranking rule, i.e. # of Gold > # of Silver > # of Bronze, Mvp would still be ranked number one if Maru loses Classic. Just goes to show that Mvp is still relevant in the GOAT debate even to this day. Definitely the King of WoL. Whole methodology is flawed. Bronze is not a medal in GSL, the 3rd-4th place match is not even played. And it's a ridiculous placement anyways, what the hell is so great about finished 3rd? Football players have loathed the Bronze match at the world cup for ages, and with good reason. Read, then rage. What do you mean? He mentioned GSL doesn't have 3rd place and that its kinda pointles-ish because every GSL rewards with 2 3rd places Edit> Also it is still an acomplishment, getting top 4 in the world
I know, and he proceeded to use it in his method anyway, hence my post.
And yes, Ro4 finish is impressive. Ro8 is also impressive, but proportionally less of course, so drawing a line at Ro4 is arbitrary, and inventing "Bronze" is just silly.
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On April 14 2019 16:46 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 16:40 Fango wrote:On April 14 2019 12:46 argonautdice wrote:
SSL, OSL, etc., because those are all far inferior tournaments to Code S and dumb How are they inferior exactly? The OSL that Maru won literally ran instead of Code S that season, while having the same players/prize pool/was points. The reason it was called OSL instead of GSL was because OGN broadcasted the playoffs that season. SSL in 2015/2016 was basically the same as GSL as well. The 2017 SSL is debatable I guess It wasn't inferior in any way like you say. However (a lot of) people didn't accept another good tournament and only valued GSL which is also why the viewer numbers of SSL/OSL were quite a lot lower.
People valued OSL just as high at the time (like 2012-2013) iirc. Its only now people don't care about them because they stomped running and GSL carried on.
Just how proleague results are basically ignored in every GOAT discussion nowadays. Even though in SC2's prime is was more important than individual leagues for many players.
Imagine if Maru won 2 GSL in HotS instead of OSL/SSL. People would agreed he was GOAT for a while now.
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On April 14 2019 16:35 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm not quite sure if RorO or Sniper is the GOAT.
Ah the forgotten ones...
I only remember Sniper winning a GSL due to a trivia game during HomeStory cup when nobody remembered him winning a season.
Roro winning a GSL... today is the day I learned that...
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On April 14 2019 20:47 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 16:35 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm not quite sure if RorO or Sniper is the GOAT. Ah the forgotten ones... I only remember Sniper winning a GSL due to a trivia game during HomeStory cup when nobody remembered him winning a season. Roro winning a GSL... today is the day I learned that...
FruitDealer and jjakji are up there, too. And missing in the ranking.
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On April 14 2019 22:23 Rob-Zero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 20:47 ggrrg wrote:On April 14 2019 16:35 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm not quite sure if RorO or Sniper is the GOAT. Ah the forgotten ones... I only remember Sniper winning a GSL due to a trivia game during HomeStory cup when nobody remembered him winning a season. Roro winning a GSL... today is the day I learned that... FruitDealer and jjakji are up there, too. And missing in the ranking.
Seed is my personal favourite, I don't even remember him existing most of the time
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For sc2.. Maru is GOAT!!! Anyone who disagrees is just a hater of his hard work and accomplishments.
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EPT
