On March 14 2019 11:57 jy_9876543210 wrote: Macsed's response:
"说下当时情况吧，第一盘打完我觉得这个人很菜，当然所有人都和我这么说，我也觉得他很菜，然后第二盘才会选择一个低保rush因为我觉得只要过去把他门口的兵营打了就能赢，但是我过去看到他家里有个兵营没开气我以为他要开2矿，我就封了他得气，一旦封了他拿什么打我低保？可我万万没想到他这个战术是rail教他的，因为在职业内战里面这种战术是不成立的，所以我就没多想。打完这场比赛rail跑过来疯狂炫耀说是我教的，因为他知道我会觉得他是菜鸟肯定会想快点结束，然后就家里一个兵营外面3个兵营来骗我。果真我被骗到了，当时被骗到了乱导致各种失误，但是我认为就算不失误这一盘我也赢不了，因为我家里已经挡不住了，他只要在外面开个基地农民传出来也是随便赢。哎都怪我，太丢人了" My translation: "The situation was, after the first map I thought this guy is weak, of course that's also what everyone's been telling me, and I felt the same. So on the second map I decided to cannon rush since I thought I could win by destroying the gateway in his base, but when I saw his base, there's a gateway but no gas, so I thought he's gonna expand, and I blocked his gas, so he can't stop my cannon rush. But what I didn't know was that it's rail who taught him this strategy, because he knew that I would try to finish this game quickly since I thought my opponent is weak, and he tricked me by one gateway in main base and 3 proxies outside. That totally got me, and resulted in a lot of mistakes from me. But I think even if I didn't make those mistakes, I still wouldn't win that map, since I couldn't defend my base, he could just make another base and recall the probes. It's my fault, this is an embarrassing game."
Not gonna lie it make me a bit nervous about Drager taking a map of Dark and Elazer, is he a legit pretty good player/ are the betting lines ok?
Drager is 1400 on Aligulac, his single map against Dark was actually more likely than MeomaikA beating Maru 2-0.
didnt see Meomaika maru but i assume nydus allins were involved, its incredibly easy to lose to them and theyre also insanely easy to execute to perfection so i am not suprised maru can drop a series vs a 6k zerg if the zerg is using some new nydus meme
That was entirely meant to show Drager is a proper player. Didn't mean to attack Maru, it was just an example of a recent surprising result; we don't know, however, how he lost so what you are saying here is pure speculation.
On March 13 2019 09:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Just to make sure, the betting closes before the match actually starts right?
Ah good point, maybe there's a delay on the streamed and someone on place was the one who made the bet? If the game was in fact proxy 4 gates vs cannon rush it would be risky but no too crazy to bet on it after seeing the build even 2000 MMR down.
TBH, a -4000 MMR player has no chance against a pro. I'm 4900 and I've played people like Future or Blord (who either compare or are less skilled than Macsed) and definitely did have the remotest chance of winning a game. If he truly is around 4000MMR, then I don't think this could be normal.
On March 13 2019 09:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Just to make sure, the betting closes before the match actually starts right?
Ah good point, maybe there's a delay on the streamed and someone on place was the one who made the bet?
Common sense would tell us that ofc the betting has to be closed a good while in advance to make it impossible for people to use live information to bet on these things, i am just trying to make sure because otherwise i don't see any likely alternative to people simply knowing the outcome due to fixing.
(assuming all this information is legit ofc, including line movement, etc)
On March 13 2019 09:43 Solar424 wrote: WESG is probably the best tournament to do this, because most of the matches aren't broadcast. If this is true, it sucks because MacSed is one of the most prolific Chinese players in SC2. He's been around since WoL, but he hasn't accomplished much recently, and probably feels that throwing a game is probably his best bet to get some extra money before he retires.
I partially agree this. But I think some misunderstand between us appeared. macsed was a coach charge of a chinese youth starcraft team,so unavoidably he can't cost too much time in pro practice. Actually he is transating to a caster,he was a caster in recenltly chinese tournaments. Another one is this match was casting by china side channel,after several days the WESG videos and game replays(i am not sure about replays because the organizer of WESG often change) will be released.that was a funny game,cannon rush verse 4 gateway zealot rush.
On March 13 2019 09:49 jeputera wrote: TBH, a -4000 MMR player has no chance against a pro. I'm 4900 and I've played people like Future or Blord (who either compare or are less skilled than Macsed) and definitely did have the remotest chance of winning a game. If he truly is around 4000MMR, then I don't think this could be normal.
The problem is not MacSed dropping a map, the event has a very low probability to happen but it is still possible; it's the fact that he did so when someone bet heavily on this outcome that seems very suspicious.
On March 13 2019 09:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Just to make sure, the betting closes before the match actually starts right?
Ah good point, maybe there's a delay on the streamed and someone on place was the one who made the bet?
Common sense would tell us that ofc the betting has to be closed a good while in advance to make it impossible for people to use live information to bet on these things, i am just trying to make sure because otherwise i don't see any likely alternative to people simply knowing the outcome due to fixing.
(assuming all this information is legit ofc, including line movement, etc)
You're doubting the shadiness of esports betting sites. There's been problems in the past with organizers insisting on tournaments having a 5-10 minute delay and being in the lobby so they can relay information to bettors.
On March 13 2019 09:03 Powerfoe wrote: Chinese players have a history with match fixing (see Silky, Coffee, and others banned in 2017). I should have considered that before making any bets on this.
Korean players also have a history with match fixing(see Life,BByong,IPXzerg), can I say Maru losing to Meomaika is also match fixing?Of course not. I'm not defending Macsed.I just hate your words.
On March 13 2019 09:43 Solar424 wrote: WESG is probably the best tournament to do this, because most of the matches aren't broadcast. If this is true, it sucks because MacSed is one of the most prolific Chinese players in SC2. He's been around since WoL, but he hasn't accomplished much recently, and probably feels that throwing a game is probably his best bet to get some extra money before he retires.
I partially agree this. But I think some misunderstand between us appeared. macsed was a coach charge of a chinese youth starcraft team,so unavoidably he can't cost too much time in pro practice. Actually he is transating to a caster,he was a caster in recenltly chinese tournaments. Another one is this match was casting by china side channel,after several days the WESG videos and game replays (I am not sure because the WESG organizer often change)will be released.that was a funny game,cannon rush verse 4 gateway zealot rush.
On March 13 2019 09:38 tcb wrote: the match casted by chinese side channal.the game was macsed played a cannon rush while seventy91 played a 4 gateway zealot rush,that was a funny game. I tend to this only a coincidence～
On March 13 2019 09:40 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:34 Xain0n wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:05 Nakajin wrote: Fuck
Not gonna lie it make me a bit nervous about Drager taking a map of Dark and Elazer, is he a legit pretty good player/ are the betting lines ok?
Drager is 1400 on Aligulac, his single map against Dark was actually more likely than MeomaikA beating Maru 2-0.
didnt see Meomaika maru but i assume nydus allins were involved, its incredibly easy to lose to them and theyre also insanely easy to execute to perfection so i am not suprised maru can drop a series vs a 6k zerg if the zerg is using some new nydus meme
Don't worry no one thinks Maru is matchfixing, even Life couldn't spend all the cash he made
On March 13 2019 09:38 tcb wrote: the match casted by chinese side channal.the game was macsed played a cannon rush while seventy91 played a 4 gateway zealot rush,that was a funny game. I tend to this only a coincidence～
Could we have the replay?
On March 13 2019 09:40 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:34 Xain0n wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:05 Nakajin wrote: Fuck
Not gonna lie it make me a bit nervous about Drager taking a map of Dark and Elazer, is he a legit pretty good player/ are the betting lines ok?
Drager is 1400 on Aligulac, his single map against Dark was actually more likely than MeomaikA beating Maru 2-0.
didnt see Meomaika maru but i assume nydus allins were involved, its incredibly easy to lose to them and theyre also insanely easy to execute to perfection so i am not suprised maru can drop a series vs a 6k zerg if the zerg is using some new nydus meme
Don't worry no one thinks Maru is matchfixing, even Life couldn't spend all the cash he made
This is a serious, well substantiated claim. Blizzard needs to investigate, and needs to be open to the possibility of banning Macsed for life. Deeply troubling and awful for the integrity of the esport.
On March 13 2019 09:38 tcb wrote: the match casted by chinese side channal.the game was macsed played a cannon rush while seventy91 played a 4 gateway zealot rush,that was a funny game. I tend to this only a coincidence～
Could we have the replay?
On March 13 2019 09:40 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:34 Xain0n wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:05 Nakajin wrote: Fuck
Not gonna lie it make me a bit nervous about Drager taking a map of Dark and Elazer, is he a legit pretty good player/ are the betting lines ok?
Drager is 1400 on Aligulac, his single map against Dark was actually more likely than MeomaikA beating Maru 2-0.
didnt see Meomaika maru but i assume nydus allins were involved, its incredibly easy to lose to them and theyre also insanely easy to execute to perfection so i am not suprised maru can drop a series vs a 6k zerg if the zerg is using some new nydus meme
Don't worry no one thinks Maru is matchfixing, even Life couldn't spend all the cash he made
On March 13 2019 09:38 tcb wrote: the match casted by chinese side channal.the game was macsed played a cannon rush while seventy91 played a 4 gateway zealot rush,that was a funny game. I tend to this only a coincidence～
Could we have the replay?
On March 13 2019 09:40 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:34 Xain0n wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:05 Nakajin wrote: Fuck
Not gonna lie it make me a bit nervous about Drager taking a map of Dark and Elazer, is he a legit pretty good player/ are the betting lines ok?
Drager is 1400 on Aligulac, his single map against Dark was actually more likely than MeomaikA beating Maru 2-0.
didnt see Meomaika maru but i assume nydus allins were involved, its incredibly easy to lose to them and theyre also insanely easy to execute to perfection so i am not suprised maru can drop a series vs a 6k zerg if the zerg is using some new nydus meme
Don't worry no one thinks Maru is matchfixing, even Life couldn't spend all the cash he made
On March 13 2019 09:38 tcb wrote: the match casted by chinese side channal.the game was macsed played a cannon rush while seventy91 played a 4 gateway zealot rush,that was a funny game. I tend to this only a coincidence～
Could we have the replay?
On March 13 2019 09:40 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:34 Xain0n wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:05 Nakajin wrote: Fuck
Not gonna lie it make me a bit nervous about Drager taking a map of Dark and Elazer, is he a legit pretty good player/ are the betting lines ok?
Drager is 1400 on Aligulac, his single map against Dark was actually more likely than MeomaikA beating Maru 2-0.
didnt see Meomaika maru but i assume nydus allins were involved, its incredibly easy to lose to them and theyre also insanely easy to execute to perfection so i am not suprised maru can drop a series vs a 6k zerg if the zerg is using some new nydus meme
Don't worry no one thinks Maru is matchfixing, even Life couldn't spend all the cash he made
On March 13 2019 09:38 tcb wrote: the match casted by chinese side channal.the game was macsed played a cannon rush while seventy91 played a 4 gateway zealot rush,that was a funny game. I tend to this only a coincidence～
Could we have the replay?
On March 13 2019 09:40 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:34 Xain0n wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:05 Nakajin wrote: Fuck
Not gonna lie it make me a bit nervous about Drager taking a map of Dark and Elazer, is he a legit pretty good player/ are the betting lines ok?
Drager is 1400 on Aligulac, his single map against Dark was actually more likely than MeomaikA beating Maru 2-0.
didnt see Meomaika maru but i assume nydus allins were involved, its incredibly easy to lose to them and theyre also insanely easy to execute to perfection so i am not suprised maru can drop a series vs a 6k zerg if the zerg is using some new nydus meme
Don't worry no one thinks Maru is matchfixing, even Life couldn't spend all the cash he made
On March 13 2019 09:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Just to make sure, the betting closes before the match actually starts right?
Here's the timeline from my point of view:
- At 2:40 AM EDT I saw that the line had already moved to 2.06 for MacSed -1.5 - I just watched the stream VOD and I could see that it was played around the same time as Reynor vs PtitDrogo, which would have been around 4:00 AM EDT. It was the 5th match casted of the day on the schedule. - Pinnacle probably closed the match a little past 3 AM EDT, which would still be plenty of time before the start.
EPT
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