On March 14 2019 11:57 jy_9876543210 wrote: Macsed's response:
"说下当时情况吧，第一盘打完我觉得这个人很菜，当然所有人都和我这么说，我也觉得他很菜，然后第二盘才会选择一个低保rush因为我觉得只要过去把他门口的兵营打了就能赢，但是我过去看到他家里有个兵营没开气我以为他要开2矿，我就封了他得气，一旦封了他拿什么打我低保？可我万万没想到他这个战术是rail教他的，因为在职业内战里面这种战术是不成立的，所以我就没多想。打完这场比赛rail跑过来疯狂炫耀说是我教的，因为他知道我会觉得他是菜鸟肯定会想快点结束，然后就家里一个兵营外面3个兵营来骗我。果真我被骗到了，当时被骗到了乱导致各种失误，但是我认为就算不失误这一盘我也赢不了，因为我家里已经挡不住了，他只要在外面开个基地农民传出来也是随便赢。哎都怪我，太丢人了" My translation: "The situation was, after the first map I thought this guy is weak, of course that's also what everyone's been telling me, and I felt the same. So on the second map I decided to cannon rush since I thought I could win by destroying the gateway in his base, but when I saw his base, there's a gateway but no gas, so I thought he's gonna expand, and I blocked his gas, so he can't stop my cannon rush. But what I didn't know was that it's rail who taught him this strategy, because he knew that I would try to finish this game quickly since I thought my opponent is weak, and he tricked me by one gateway in main base and 3 proxies outside. That totally got me, and resulted in a lot of mistakes from me. But I think even if I didn't make those mistakes, I still wouldn't win that map, since I couldn't defend my base, he could just make another base and recall the probes. It's my fault, this is an embarrassing game."
On March 13 2019 09:38 tcb wrote: the match casted by chinese side channal.the game was macsed played a cannon rush while seventy91 played a 4 gateway zealot rush,that was a funny game. I tend to this only a coincidence～
Could we have the replay?
On March 13 2019 09:40 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:34 Xain0n wrote:
On March 13 2019 09:05 Nakajin wrote: Fuck
Not gonna lie it make me a bit nervous about Drager taking a map of Dark and Elazer, is he a legit pretty good player/ are the betting lines ok?
Drager is 1400 on Aligulac, his single map against Dark was actually more likely than MeomaikA beating Maru 2-0.
didnt see Meomaika maru but i assume nydus allins were involved, its incredibly easy to lose to them and theyre also insanely easy to execute to perfection so i am not suprised maru can drop a series vs a 6k zerg if the zerg is using some new nydus meme
Don't worry no one thinks Maru is matchfixing, even Life couldn't spend all the cash he made
Yes please! Gogo! Can you also upload the first game as well? We need to see the entire series.
sorry…I don't have a experence use OBS or youtube so the video quanlity is very low
Thanks a lot
Unsurprisingly hard to tell, seeing no gas, a single gateway-pilon in the main and no attempt to take the natural and not walling off seems like an enormous error but if Macsed knew he was playing against someone far bellow him he could have just think it was a mistake from him.
I could be wrong on the protoss scout timing I just feel like if you see what seventy91 is showing you should know something is up, maybe someone more knowable could tell.
Also losing the two proxy probes to a single zelots should not happen, if Macsed keep them alive he could probably have taken at least a draw.
Both can happen and be legit mistake but choosing to go cannon rush against someone way worst then you, then run in into an hard counter + making those mistake doesn't exactly scream "fair game" when you look at the betting lines.
If this game was presented as the only evidence I would just laugh. Good players can play bad sometimes. What about this evidence about an abnormally big bet made on this match, is that credible?
That is 100 percent not a legit game IMO. Stuff like throwing down a cannon in front of a zealot, letting it hit 3 times and then losing not cancelling it before it dies. Did similar stuff with the ones in his own base. The cannon push is tremendously slow as well. It reeks of extreme laziness. On it's own I'd say he could have just been doing w/e he felt like and not taking it remotely seriously. But in light of the odd betting pattern, I'd say its suspicious as hell. I'd like to see the other two games for reference. Feels worthy of an investigation.
I haven't casted any Starcraft since 2016. Haven't played Since the end of 2016 either.
I don't know any of the Chinese professional gamer's present living / sponsorship / team situations. To understand a player's inclination to matchfix, one must first understand that pro gamer's income.
On March 13 2019 11:07 11cc wrote: If this game was presented as the only evidence I would just laugh. Good players can play bad sometimes. What about this evidence about a abnormally big bet made on this match, is that credible?
not hitting the cancel on a cannon when there's nothing else taking his attention? a wall off that could have been just the gateway? but instead creates an extra weak point with a cannon instead of building it behind the wall? not finishing off the zealot after probe drilling, instead of giving free hits away? not building a cannon even after all of this? Not sending probes to his cannons on the other side of the map? Even the cannon rush, he reveals BOTH probes before Seventy even scouts the buildings.
There is bad day for players, and there is intentionally messing up. This isn't just bad play. On top of all of this, MacSed, as a professional, has to know that if he plays a regular game, he wins, no question. Cheesing often comes from players who are worse trying to catch a better opponent off guard.
I think another question is why the hell is a 4K player playing in WESG. Maybe if there wasn't such a skill differential it would be harder for match fixers to make such outrageous bets.
On March 13 2019 10:23 Oreo7 wrote: This is a serious, well substantiated claim. Blizzard needs to investigate, and needs to be open to the possibility of banning Macsed for life. Deeply troubling and awful for the integrity of the esport.
Blizzard? Well good luck with that. "Blizzard, please check these players' bank account!" Seriously? lol To do that, blizzard need to contact netease, and netease to call the police. And police asks: why do I need to check his bank account? And you say: because some Korea guy lost his money on some gambling website... Well you know gambling is illegal in mainland China right? Well, Kespa would investigate things like this in Korea, but I don't think any other authorities take it so seriously. To be honest, I don't give a shit if there's matchfixing or not, I just watch good games, and if the game is bad, just stop watching it. And I hope all gamblers lose all their money and end up homeless because they deserve it. After they don't have any more money to gamble with, there'll be no matchfixing as well.
Plz just go check the replay. That match was casted by Chinese stream on Huya.com. For the second match Sed just wants to show off by using cannon rush. He failed and that's it. For those bullshit about earning some extra money before retiring, Sed currently does a job as trainers for the scboys training camp and his life is not wholly depend on winning titles.
On March 13 2019 11:34 dunaifen wrote: Plz just go check the replay. That match was casted by Chinese stream on Huya.com. For the second match Sed just wants to show off by using cannon rush. He failed and that's it. For those bullshit about earning some extra money before retiring, Sed currently does a job as trainers for the scboys training camp and his life is not wholly depend on winning titles.
Why would he work for scboy when he's on Invictus Gaming?
"In particular, I have an incredibly strong mirror matchup, as I've learned many meta strategies from watching top NA protoss streamers such as turkeydano and printf. I would say after viewing multiple episodes of minute micro, my micromanagement is at least on par if not better than Macsed."
Also, his description of the game does not match the vod.
On March 13 2019 11:34 dunaifen wrote: Plz just go check the replay. That match was casted by Chinese stream on Huya.com. For the second match Sed just wants to show off by using cannon rush. He failed and that's it. For those bullshit about earning some extra money before retiring, Sed currently does a job as trainers for the scboys training camp and his life is not wholly depend on winning titles.
Why would he work for scboy when he's on Invictus Gaming?
He is semi retired now.
EDIT: Watched the vod, that's.... a pretty typical messy macsed game. Don't think it's anything suspicious.
Other than that account, there is more evidence that Seventy91 is a low level player.
1) His path to qualification for this tournament was a 2-person tournament where he lost 2-3 to this person who is only 700 rated on Aligulac and is probably below Master level. The only reason he got in is because the other person forfeited his spot. So basically, he didn't even have to win against any person to qualify for the tournament.
2) His own aligulac profile is not inspiring with many losses to mediocre players and only beating other Diamonds.
3) I am sure that the 3994 MMR account that I found belongs to him, because the clan is [sfc] which has a Liquipedia page that lists Seventy91 as part of their roster.
Can't believe how many are just writing this off as a "messy game." It's pretty silly that a guy who barely can break masters is taking a game of a "semi-retired" (?) professional player. On top of that, MacSed sees his build coming almost immediately and doesn't respond. at all.
Seems compelling. Agree this is highly suspicious, and to be honest it's the sort of environment where match fixing is more likely; high volume of viewers (& betters) with large skill disparities. Probably worth reviewing other upsets as well.
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2015 Match-Fixing Scandal
