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WCS Winter: RO16 concludes, RO8 starts March 23rd - Page 2

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Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
February 19 2019 15:41 GMT
#21
On February 19 2019 23:29 Nakajin wrote:
I would say it's probably is just a build Rail love to do and Serral probably did his homework, or maybe he wanted to cancel the 3rd of Rail with a roach push and it just happen it was a fake one. He also seen no robo units at the front nor any archon, maybe that's what tip him of, immortals would have been rallied at the 3rd and seen by the lings at the front.
Can't say for sure, I don't know the zvp timing.


ZG said that she believed Rail showed the same all-in in his previous matches.
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 19 2019 16:35 GMT
#22
March 23rd? Wow that is a drawn out tournament. The poor players have to wait a long time beforer get paid...
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Toua
Profile Joined February 2017
Denmark318 Posts
February 19 2019 16:35 GMT
#23
On February 20 2019 01:35 BaneRiders wrote:
March 23rd? Wow that is a drawn out tournament. The poor players have to wait a long time beforer get paid...

I think it is because of IEM and WESG so it kind make a lot of sence
Stats, Dark, Maru <3
herwo
Profile Joined January 2019
199 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 16:51:50
February 19 2019 16:51 GMT
#24
On February 19 2019 23:17 MurderU wrote:
Can anyone explain why Serral played exactly like he did versus Rail in the 3rd game?
The male commentator has the same question, then female commentator is guessing it was because he saw it with zergling, but she was wrong. Been watching this very closely 10 times in a row now, something feels wrong - I really need to understand this. At 5:18 min into the game the commentators even show Serrals view (he has not scouted if 3rd Nexus has been build or not). At 4:53 min he starts roaching and defends perfectly to win the game.
Dont missunderstand this - I`m a huge Serral fan, it just felt so wierd watching it, and even more wierd as I keep watching it over and over - really want to understand this.


he scouted that there were no gases at the natural at 3:40 and no other tech besides stargate, so he probably assumed warp gate all-in
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 17:31:58
February 19 2019 17:28 GMT
#25
On February 19 2019 23:17 MurderU wrote:
Can anyone explain why Serral played exactly like he did versus Rail in the 3rd game? https://youtu.be/8XOAbQlK4Ng?t=1474 The male commentator has the same question, then female commentator is guessing it was because he saw it with zergling, but she was wrong. Been watching this very closely 10 times in a row now, something feels wrong - I really need to understand this. At 5:18 min into the game the commentators even show Serrals view (he has not scouted if 3rd Nexus has been build or not). At 4:53 min he starts roaching and defends perfectly to win the game.
Dont missunderstand this - I`m a huge Serral fan, it just felt so wierd watching it, and even more wierd as I keep watching it over and over - really want to understand this.

5:04 Serral spots warp prism moving out. At that point Serral had made 7 roaches and starts adding more.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
February 19 2019 21:31 GMT
#26
Hoping for Neeb to reassert his dominance this season
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herwo
Profile Joined January 2019
199 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 21:41:44
February 19 2019 21:41 GMT
#27
On February 20 2019 02:28 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2019 23:17 MurderU wrote:
Can anyone explain why Serral played exactly like he did versus Rail in the 3rd game? https://youtu.be/8XOAbQlK4Ng?t=1474 The male commentator has the same question, then female commentator is guessing it was because he saw it with zergling, but she was wrong. Been watching this very closely 10 times in a row now, something feels wrong - I really need to understand this. At 5:18 min into the game the commentators even show Serrals view (he has not scouted if 3rd Nexus has been build or not). At 4:53 min he starts roaching and defends perfectly to win the game.
Dont missunderstand this - I`m a huge Serral fan, it just felt so wierd watching it, and even more wierd as I keep watching it over and over - really want to understand this.

5:04 Serral spots warp prism moving out. At that point Serral had made 7 roaches and starts adding more.


he starts making roaches before the prism is even finished...
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
February 20 2019 05:34 GMT
#28
On February 20 2019 06:41 herwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 02:28 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On February 19 2019 23:17 MurderU wrote:
Can anyone explain why Serral played exactly like he did versus Rail in the 3rd game? https://youtu.be/8XOAbQlK4Ng?t=1474 The male commentator has the same question, then female commentator is guessing it was because he saw it with zergling, but she was wrong. Been watching this very closely 10 times in a row now, something feels wrong - I really need to understand this. At 5:18 min into the game the commentators even show Serrals view (he has not scouted if 3rd Nexus has been build or not). At 4:53 min he starts roaching and defends perfectly to win the game.
Dont missunderstand this - I`m a huge Serral fan, it just felt so wierd watching it, and even more wierd as I keep watching it over and over - really want to understand this.

5:04 Serral spots warp prism moving out. At that point Serral had made 7 roaches and starts adding more.


he starts making roaches before the prism is even finished...

Yeah like 6? Is that too unusual?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
February 20 2019 22:06 GMT
#29
the game is highly analytical but it's still played by humans. gut feelings, etc. you can't explain everything or understand everything. GO SERRAL!
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 21 2019 09:53 GMT
#30
Wait, the offline portion of this event is 5 matches each?
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
February 22 2019 18:09 GMT
#31
I like the new format of the tournament. could provide for some very nice story line(s)!
Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
February 24 2019 08:56 GMT
#32
Only now finished watching the games. Man, I feel there's so much SC suddenly going on. Soon there's going to be IEM, WESG, GSL Ro16, WCS Ro8...Good times
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SharkyBRE
Profile Joined February 2019
2 Posts
February 24 2019 12:11 GMT
#33
On February 19 2019 23:17 MurderU wrote:
Can anyone explain why Serral played exactly like he did versus Rail in the 3rd game?
At 4:53 min he starts roaching and defends perfectly to win the game.

Serral usually plays in 1 of 2 ways:
-He builds round of lings at @28ish supply to mess with opponents 3. base, or if he sees 2 gate adept pressure(in that case no roach warren, and often times with overlord speed, because he is going to have that access gas cuz of no roaches),like in game #1 or
-He plays his most standard thing(game #3), focus on droning, safety vs stargate(spores, queens), than safety roach warren at 36ish drones, so he can get 6-7 roaches at 41-44 drones(3 gasses, 2 base full mineral saturation, and maybe a few more)
On February 20 2019 06:41 herwo wrote:
he starts making roaches before the prism is even finished...

Rail made mistake this game not making probes while he was controlling adept on the map.
There was 4 probes less than usual at the time of overlord scout at the expansion, which means no crono was spent on nexi, implying that he is NOT gonna play macro. And no gasses were added at normal time.

Watch minimap for ling movement after 4. minute, scouting around for flying units . Serral didn't see 3. stargate unit, so he knew that money went elsewhere. He expected prism 45 seconds earlier. He probably thought it was earlier main gas to afford robo too, and probes cut for prism adept drop(that's why he didn't even scout 3. base, and his roaches were rallied to main and 3. mineral line). It was nice attempt by Rail to sell it by adding an earlier gate overlord could see(to force Serral into ling cycle, after which he would make more drones, if he had played without warren).But it further messed up his timing.

This was a total smashing because of Rails mistakes and inability to cause any damage with adepts he put all early chrono boost into, and kept all but scouting 1 at home. He invested 450-400 early game into stargate tech, that costed Serral 417 minerals at later time(killed scouting overlord, 1 drone and forced 2 spores). Oracle placed trap for 2 lings and phoenix wasn't used in the fight.
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