EPT2018 in Review - Team Liquid Awards - Page 4
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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midhigh
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4041 Posts
On January 31 2019 14:08 RealityTheGreat wrote: How many WCS circuit Ro.32 players can advance to Code S Ro.32? How many Code S Ro.32 players can advance to WCS circuit Ro.32? | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On January 31 2019 21:18 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: How many Code S Ro.32 players can advance to WCS circuit Ro.32? 1 since everyone except Scarlett are region-locked. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
I don't want to discuss this. I just want to complain. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On February 01 2019 01:20 fronkschnonk wrote: I still think that Maru is the player of the year. He faced harder competition more often, he dominated for a longer time on top-level than Serral did (6 from WESG to GSL3 month vs 4 month from GSL vs World to HSC) and he won GSL 3 times in a row which is just insane. I don't want to discuss this. I just want to complain. I was too lazy to write it, but I approve and agree with this message. | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On February 01 2019 07:22 Xain0n wrote: You must be deeply convinced of that as it's not the first time you write a similar statement! Maru's 2018 was better than Inno's 2017, indeed. Now tell me how winning IEM Shanghai and a GSL Super tournament can be better than GSL vs the World and four WCS(plus one HSC); this if we look only at tournament victories as Serral got 3rd at WESG, 3rd/4th at Katowice and was undefeated offline for eight months in 2018 while Rogue made it out of groups twice in Code S in 2017... It could be that a foreigner winning might impress more but that's not it, the sheer amount of Serral's victories and his dominance are the impressive part; if Polt would have won in 2016 the tournaments Serral did you would have rightfully crowned him player of the year. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
tell me how winning four WCS (lol) and a GSL vs the world is more impressive than winning IEM Shanghai and a GSL Super Tournament. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On February 02 2019 02:41 Charoisaur wrote: tell me how winning four WCS (lol) and a GSL vs the world is more impressive than winning IEM Shanghai and a GSL Super Tournament. The bias is skyrocketing here. Weren't you the one suggesting to weight results giving a certain amount of points to every tournament based on their tier(assigned following your personal opinion)? Even by your own standards, four WCS should be better feat than a single IEM, despite being of a lesser tier(four points to two if i remember correctly); in addiction to that, the HSC Serral won was not a Premier tournament but very much felt like that. And you are still not considering that Serral had good results during the first part of 2018 before going undefeated while Rogue accomplished nothing before July in 2017. You are now treating WCS like it was a minor or, at best, a qualifier; the extreme disregard towards any tournament not having korean presence is what makes this discussion ultimately sterile. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On February 02 2019 03:29 Xain0n wrote: The bias is skyrocketing here. Weren't you the one suggesting to weight results giving a certain amount of points to every tournament based on their tier(assigned following your personal opinion)? Even by your own standards, four WCS should be better feat than a single IEM, despite being of a lesser tier(four points to two if i remember correctly); in addiction to that, the HSC Serral won was not a Premier tournament but very much felt like that. And you are still not considering that Serral had good results during the first part of 2018 before going undefeated while Rogue accomplished nothing before July in 2017. You are now treating WCS like it was a minor or, at best, a qualifier; the extreme disregard towards any tournament not having korean presence is what makes this discussion ultimately sterile. put any top 5 korean in Serral's spot and they would've won them as well. If Rogue had participated in WCS in 2017 he'd have won 4 as well on top of IEM Shanghai, Super Tournament and Blizzcon. That's why I have trouble treating Serral's WCS victories very highly. He just gets rewarded for playing in an easier region. Next thing is we treat Special as the next bonjwa because he wins every Copa america | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On February 02 2019 07:02 travis wrote: you can't be serious man he won blizzcon get outta here responding to me? Yes he won Blizzcon as did Rogue the year before who still wasn't considered player of the year by most people, hence the comparision. | ||
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On February 02 2019 06:46 Charoisaur wrote: put any top 5 korean in Serral's spot and they would've won them as well. If Rogue had participated in WCS in 2017 he'd have won 4 as well on top of IEM Shanghai, Super Tournament and Blizzcon. That's why I have trouble treating Serral's WCS victories very highly. He just gets rewarded for playing in an easier region. Next thing is we treat Special as the next bonjwa because he wins every Copa america Let's assume what you say it's true(and it isn't, at all) Rogue in 2017 before July? He was nowhere near top 5KR so I highly doubt it; he was in great shape around Montreal but Neeb in top form could have been a match for him. Thinking consecutive victories are granted is foolishness unless the competition is of very low level compared to the one of the player who's entering it; we are not speaking of Malaysian Sc2 championship, WCS is easier than GSL but definitely not as easy as you are making it to be judging from your statements. Any top 5 in KR might win a WCS, that's true; but it's not granted they would and I highly doubt they could have swept the Circuit in 2018 like Serral did as he is and was better than any of them(at least after May). Even without Serral in the circuit, the amount of ZvZ would have been too hard for Rogue and Dark(Serral almost faltered in Montreal and he's better than them); TY is not consistent and TvT is his best matchup. Stats could have and Maru would have most likely done it. If they were to play against Serral they would have probably won Leipzig and nothing else; don't be so sure Maru would have won GSL 2 and 3 if Serral was there, on the other hand. Saying Rogue's 2017 can rival or exceed Serral's 2018 defies reason and it's a ridicolously biased conclusion. Maru's 2018 is way closer and we can have a proper discussion here; Maru was the better player in the first part of the year but Serral was relatively more dominant after that. He won more tournament including the most prestigious one, more money, had a better streak(the best in history, to say the truth); the environment Maru played in was harder on average, but not enough to close the gap in results. I understand you can't agree with me as you think Code S counts more than BlizzCon and WCS are on par with Olimoleague monthly finals. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
Has was clearly player of the year. Same as he is every year. Except that one year BitByBit beat him  | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On February 02 2019 14:23 Solar424 wrote: Remember when winning Blizzcon made you the best player in the world? I guess that changed when a non-Korean won it. Yeah sOs definitely was the best player in 2013 /s | ||
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