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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On November 14 2018 18:56 Koektrommel wrote: Because most people play games to have fun and not to be forced to stress out over minor aspects of the game. Yes, so much fun when you can forget about your obs, or when you can click easily on a scv. | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
On November 14 2018 13:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Biggest surprise is that someone played HotS to notice the mothership skin bug. Seeing how the late game will shake out after all these balance changes will be interesting. We saw it on Ogaming a few weeks back so maybe they were watching the stream  | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Still I have problem seeing how this would work in practice. HT and Disruptors still provide an insane amount of splash damage. The new Tempest will be better vs both Liberators and BCs. But maybe Carriers will be beatable now. And the new Tempest have less hit points so Vikings will beat Tempest now, if they manage to catch them. But my guess is that TvP will become very Protoss favored now when Terran proxies are weaker. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15928 Posts
Also shitty ravager rush just became ungodly super duper powerful getoutofthegame Ravager rush. The Cyclone change is the single most disappointing change I can remember. Terran early game is just fucked now. | ||
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Hvvacha
82 Posts
On November 14 2018 20:27 Charoisaur wrote: So where's the change that's supposed to make lategame even? I thought that's one of their design goals? Hope this doesn't end up like their countless "promises" to make mech viable in tvp. Also shitty ravager rush just became ungodly super duper powerful getoutofthegame Ravager rush. The Cyclone change is the single most disappointing change I can remember. Terran early game is just fucked now. this build really should not exist, but bunker with scvs can buy time until tank or even a banshee. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On November 14 2018 20:27 Charoisaur wrote: So where's the change that's supposed to make lategame even? I thought that's one of their design goals? Hope this doesn't end up like their countless "promises" to make mech viable in tvp. Also shitty ravager rush just became ungodly super duper powerful getoutofthegame Ravager rush. The Cyclone change is the single most disappointing change I can remember. Terran early game is just fucked now. This plus the proxy reaper in TvT, 2016 TvT ladder was hell | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
It gives you access to unscouted info. | ||
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Syn Harvest
United States191 Posts
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nightowl879
7 Posts
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TheSky123
15 Posts
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
A lot of these changes are actually step backs into things that were already in the game and were IMHO not fun parts of it. Mine cloak, super kite cyclones, game swinging Disruptor shots, nydus worms being bad ( cost doesn't matter if it can't complete ) Did anyone really miss these things? | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
On November 14 2018 21:32 TheSky123 wrote: Mech is still dead vs Protoss Why? Mech can compete vs Protoss ground. Immortals was never the problem, the Carrier was. | ||
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MrFreeman
207 Posts
On November 14 2018 16:15 pieroog wrote: At the moment, there is no way of selecting queens outside manual search&click. Maybe some quality of life change too...? YES PLEASE, this would help a whole lot. On November 14 2018 21:10 nightowl879 wrote: What is a Quality of Life change? Something that doesn't change the potential power of a player, but makes that potential easier accessible. For example, the F2, you would be able to select your whole army even without this, but it makes a thing that might have been difficult to do very easy. On the changes: I like the change in ZvT and ZvP interactions, I'm quite concerned about TvP, skytoss is super strong, BCs are still next to useless, since AA dmg is the same and Yamato is nerfed against protoss (they have a lot of 250-300HP stuff) and I think that the adjusted thor is a terrible answer to the mobile skytoss, since they now have two teleports, one with 80sec CD and even with both unavailable, Tempest are zippy now and carrier can just move out of Thor range. But then again, I play toss, so, ehm yolo? :D | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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NspFancy
Korea (South)21 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2627 Posts
Even just opening with defensive cyclones can actually allow you to get 3 fast bases vs protoss, something almost impossible in the current meta (but that was very standard in the old cyclone meta), altough of course I doubt many people would do that since terran has no reason to go to lategame vs protoss while having all the reason to end the game before that. I'm a bit worried about TvT in the fact that cyclones would still be king of early game (they counter anything except more cyclones or a well placed tank) but at least it would be in favor of macro games because they are better at defense than at aggression than current cyclones. TvZ cyclones are probably weaker (?) but they weren't the most important unis anyway, I don't think ravager rushes would be that much of a problem since you would need speed lings to actually catch the cyclones while the cyclone can eat the ravagers until while taking basically 0 damage (unles you fuck up your micro), I guess it would depend on the type of rush, 1 base rushes would be pretty bad as 1 cyclone with 1 bunker should be enough, 2(3) base would probably be harder but at that point you didn't use cyclones to defend anyway. | ||
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err0r33
38 Posts
On November 14 2018 22:04 StarscreamG1 wrote: Can we get patch notes to distinguish from last balance patch, and not from last testing map? .... https://starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22640615 just scroll down a bit and after the latest changes is a recap for the wholes changes since last season. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
On November 15 2018 02:06 err0r33 wrote: https://starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22640615 just scroll down a bit and after the latest changes is a recap for the wholes changes since last season. Thanks! | ||
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raXNT
16 Posts
I wonder how long you will have to tweak that unit before you realize it might just be the fact that it was a horrible decision to put it in the game in the first place. You obviously want the cyclone to fill a hole in Terran Mech, why not just trash the unit and design something new?. | ||
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Tempest
United States147 Posts
On November 15 2018 03:46 raXNT wrote: In my opinion the cyclone is bad by design in every possible way and does not fit in the game. I wonder how long you will have to tweak that unit before you realize it might just be the fact that it was a horrible decision to put it in the game in the first place. You obviously want the cyclone to fill a hole in Terran Mech, why not just trash the unit and design something new?. What units name is a synonym for something really really big? Who did david in the bible beat up with a rock? What says its name and then says "online"? Damn, drawing too many blanks here. | ||
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