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Circuit Showdown at WCS Austin

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Circuit Showdown at WCS Austin

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June 1st, 2018 01:10 GMT

Circuit Showdown at WCS Austin

Written by: Soularion

It's been a while, hasn't it? Since Serral triumphed at WCS Leipzig back in January, five major offline tournaments have been held, as well as an entire GSL Code S season. We saw Classic nearly rise to become the best player in the world, only to have a transcendent Maru seize the throne for himself. We saw Scarlett's fairy tale run at IEM PyeongChang, where she won a championship at long last. We saw Rogue shamed in the GSL, only to see him restored to glory at IEM Katowice.

With so much having transpired since the last WCS Circuit championship, it's a good time to examine the field of competitors and how their individual stories have progressed since Leipzig. This article will look primarily at the sixteen qualified/seeded players.

World Championship Series: Austin
WCS Austin begins on Friday, Jun 01 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

Europe: WCS Challenger


fi (Wiki)Serral: With all the turmoil in the StarCraft II world since Leipzig, it's almost unbelievable that Serral has remained on top of the international scene. The Finnish phenom has done much to enhance his reputation: he bloodied Korean competitors at the IEM World Championship (top four finish) and WESG (3rd place), played two of the best games of his career in Nation Wars against ShoWTimE, and went 14-1 in the European Challenger tournament to qualify for WCS Austin. Since the 2018 competitive season started, he has a 190-48 record for a ludicrous 79.83% win rate. There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner. Anything short of a championship would be a shock and a disappointment for Serral.

nl (Wiki)uThermal: He's back! After uThermal fell short of expectations in 2017 and started his 2018 season with a round-of-sixteen elimination at Leipzig, it's good to see the Dutch Terran enjoying a run of good form. He very nearly reached the playoffs at IEM Katowice, where he won group stage matches against Code S players Hurricane and INnoVation. He's followed that up with more solid showings in WESG, NationWars, and a second place finish in the European Challenger tournament. Big wins over a renewed ShoWTimE and PtitDrogo suggest that uThermal is back in good graces with the TvP spirits, which is important considering uThermal's inconsistency in TvT. Even though brackets and match-ups play a huge part in the WCS Circuit playoffs, uThermal should be a dark horse to make a deep run at WCS Austin.



fr (Wiki)PtitDrogo: Another player who has struggled with consistency is PtitDrogo. He made it to BlizzCon in 2016 (due to Polt & Hydra declining their invites, but still), only to drown in mediocrity throughout 2017. It seemed like he was in danger of falling into complete irrelevance after he bombed hard at WCS Leipzig and even harder at IEM Katowice. So securing a seed at WCS Austin with a BO5 win against a very-much-still-good Elazer in WCS Challenger is a significant and encouraging accomplishment, even if it was followed by him losing in PvT against uThermal (so what's really new?). It might be too early to get excited about PtitDrogo given some of his other online results, but then again, he DID pull through when it really mattered in Challenger. It will be interesting to see what version of PtitDrogo shows up in Austin.

de (Wiki)HeRoMaRinE: Europe lived up to its reputation as the deepest region in WCS Challenger, with star players Nerchio, Elazer, and ShoWTimE all falling in the quarterfinals. HeRoMaRinE might have had the most impressive 'underdog' run, defeating Nerchio and handing Serral his only map-loss of the entire tournament. But really, HeRoMaRinE is only an underdog if you're looking through the lens of 2017, where he barely played in tournaments at all. He's had a good 2018 so far, reaching the RO16 at WCS Leipzig (notable wins over Nerchio and Harstem), and advancing from a stacked open bracket at IEM Katowice (notable wins over Snute and Elazer) to reach the group stage. uThermal is the European Terran who attracts (and creates) the most buzz, but HeRoMaRinE might be the more solid player. He has a penchant for showing up in big moments, and WCS Austin might give him his biggest moment yet.

North America: WCS Challenger


us (Wiki)Neeb: While Serral was utterly dominant in the European qualifier, Neeb actually had to navigate several threats on his way to winning the North American Challenger tournament. Not only did he drop maps to JonSnow and puCK, but MaSa took him all the way to game seven in a wonky and intensely entertaining series. It was a series in which Neeb's sheer 'clutchness' shined through. In 2017 Neeb went a ridiculous 10-1 in elimination games—games where, had he lost, he would've been out of the tournament. This is the Neeb we saw against MaSa; it didn't really matter what shenanigans MaSa pulled out, because Neeb—with his icy blood and killer instinct—was always going to win the series. Serral might be the most dominant player on the WCS Circuit, but Neeb can still challenge him if he can summon that clutch factor from last year.

ca (Wiki)MaSa: Meet North America's most confounding player. Last year, during the WCS Valencia 2017 qualifier, MaSa defeated Neeb and Scarlett to take first place in North America. Since then, he's floated between being an RO16 punching bag and barely even qualifying for WCS. However, the skillful, dangerous version of MaSa reappeared at the latest WCS Challenger tournament, with MaSa's back to back series against Scarlett and Neeb standing out as some of the most entertaining matches of 2018 (or disgusting, depending on your point of view). The Canadian Terran threw cheese after cheese against two of NA's all-time best players and made them sweat buckets. While MaSa couldn't quite overcome the wall of Neeb, he went down while putting up a terrific fight. Terran has always felt a bit underrepresented in the foreign scene, so fans of bio, mech, and bunker rushes should hope that MaSa will be just as lively come June.

ca (Wiki)Scarlett: What a rollercoaster year for Scarlett. She rode into WCS Leipzig on a wave of hype, only to wipe out horribly in her then-best matchup ZvZ. Just when it seemed hope was lost, she proved that the hype was 100% deserved by winning IEM PyeongChang... ...and then saw her ZvZ fail her once more at IEM Katowice. So, which is it? Has Scarlett actually shored up her ZvZ vulnerability, or will it continue to be a thorn in her side? Since PyeongChang, Scarlett gone through an uneventful handful of months, showing the kind of humdrum form she's been prone to lapsing into for the past two years. But IEM PyeongChang showed us she still has that magic; faintly glowing but definitely still there. As long as there's that chance she could transform into a true championship-caliber player, it's worthwhile to keep your eyes on her.

us (Wiki)puCK: puCK enjoyed a bit of luck during Challenger, as TRUE's forfeiture of Challenger left him in a qualifier group with no elite opponents. Still, his beatdown of Semper came as a surprise, and he put up more resistance against Neeb than many expected. So, is puCK 'back'? In an era where most top players didn't come into prominence until Legacy of the Void, puCK certainly has a lot more history than most. His last RO16 in WCS was all the way back in early 2014, over four years ago. It won't be easy for him to reach that mark again at WCS Austin, but if group/match-up fortune favors him again, puCK certainly has a chance.

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Serral has dominated the WCS Circuit in 2018. Will a challenger to the throne emerge in Austin?


Latin America: Copa América


mx (Wiki)SpeCial: While North America and Europe gave us a lot of upsets, those who favor predictability will be glad to see SpeCial in his proper place: utterly dominating Latin America, including a 4-0 thrashing of his favorite punching bag, Kelazhur. SpeCial has made five semifinals now, but he still hasn't been able to get over the next hurdle to reach the finals. Somehow, each semifinal is less promising than the last. When SpeCial first lost to Neeb in five games at WCS Austin 2017, he looked like a player who would soon be finals bound. The next season he actually eliminated Neeb in the quarters, only to be smashed by Snute in the semis. At BlizzCon, he suffered an ugly, 0-3 semifinal loss to soO. Then, at Leipzig, the path to the finals seemed clear at last when Neeb was eliminated, but Serral sprang forth to crush SpeCial's dreams. SpeCial is still a very, very good player; the most accomplished foreign Terran by a mile (although uThermal and HeRoMaRinE are showing great form) and unchallenged in his region. But, he seems stuck in the purgatory of the semifinals on the WCS Circuit. Even if both Neeb and Serral were eliminated, you'd expect the jinx to haunt SpeCial still. That's a bad omen.

br (Wiki)Kelazhur: Kelazhur is probably 2018's most surprising victim. In a year that's seen a lot of 2017's under-performers (Serral, uThermal, Scarlett, even PtitDrogo now) come back into prominence, Kelazhur is one of the few players who have taken a step back. Consistency used to be Kelazhur's greatest strength—last year he made it to Blizzcon because he made top eight at every single WCS Circuit stop. However, Kelazhur was eliminated early in the first 2018 tournament at Leipzig, and none of Katowice, WESG, or Copa America did much to restore Kelazhur's reputation. He seems now like a player who can't keep up with the recent uptick in play, either falling behind the field or not quite finding his place in the meta, and it's tough to imagine him miraculously solving his problems in time for WCS Austin.

Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and Japan Combined Qualifier


tw (Wiki)Has: Has has become a flat-out legend at this point. He's flummoxed so many supposedly superior players—Jaedong, MMA, and Maru to name a few—and he's done so playing the most predictably unpredictable style in StarCraft II. You know he's going to do something stupid, but what is it going to be? After some amusing near-success in GSL qualifiers (including wins against Elazer and Ryung, and somehow taking a map off of INnoVation), he's back on the WCS Circuit. Has isn't always a lock to win the mixed-Asian qualifier (sometimes, he off-races for no discernible reason), but this time he managed to dominate and take first place with a 10-1 record. What can you expect from the fan 'favorite' when he goes up against the rest of the world? Stupidity, upsets, and entertainment.

tw (Wiki)ExpecT: The #2 seed from the combined-Asian qualifier has the unfortunate legacy of being the WCS welfare seed, with not a single player advancing to the RO16 from that position in 2017. This time, ExpecT steps up to the plate. After getting upset by GogojOey during the WCS Leipzig qualifier, ExpecT got revenge on him and beat players such as Vaisravana and ButAlways on route to his WCS Austin ticket. Being one of the least-known names in the seeded part of the tournament, ExpecT is truly difficult to predict. He's not a cheese monster like Has or Nice, but he does have the advantage of being largely unscouted by his opponents. It will be hard for ExpecT to fully redeem the #2 Taiwan/HK/Macau/Japan seed, but perhaps he can surprise his opponents and earn his region some more respect.

China: Gold Series Pro-League


cn (Wiki)TIME: China had an absolutely wild GPL Season 1, with BreakingGG, Jieshi and Cyan joining TIME in the round-of-four instead of other more veteran names such as XiGua, XY, TooDming or iAsonu. TIME was there to clean up, though, going 10-0 in playoffs and securing his place as the best Chinese player in the scene right now. Or, so you'd think. GPL Season 1 was held back in late March, and the SECOND season of GPL has already come and gone (with WCS Valencia seeding completed). In that tournament, TIME looked significantly more vulnerable, dropping an early series to Shana and losing to iAsonu in the quarterfinals. This sucks, because TIME was in great form towards the end of March (looking at his NationWars results, and his domestic dominance) where as he's been a lot more shaky domestically as of late. If the TIME of March returns, expect a surprisingly fun underdog story and perhaps a RO16 to quarterfinals result.

cn (Wiki)BreakingGG: Since coming in second during GPL, BreakingGG has gotten utterly dominated by basically every good player he's gone up against (except Patience—damn, dude), including losing in the group stages of the next season to Firefly. If TIME disappointed after his win, BreakingGG looks like a speed bump in an otherwise very smooth scene, a temporary mistake that was quickly amended. This, however, gives us the (somewhat) entertaining storyline of BreakingGG going to Austin looking for some sort of return on investment from his actually-quite-good GPL Season 1 run. It's tough to be optimistic, but just keep this in mind: GogojOey once took a map off Cham, and Yours was a game away from playoffs. Anything can happen in WCS. Well, ALMOST happen. Good luck, BreakinGG! You're gonna need it. BreakingGG suffered the terrible Chinese visa curse and has been replaced by (Wiki)Jieshi.

Oceania, South-East Asia Combined Qualifier


au (Wiki)Seither: Probe is down. I repeat, Probe is down. The best player in the SEA scene the past couple years actually got eliminated by the combination of NXZ and HuT. Seither is the natural replacement, as he's was Probe's closest rival in the past, and seems to have the highest ceiling in the scene outside of Probe and iaguz. He took care of business in predictable manner, going 8-1 in the qualifiers. He's had mixed performance at previous WCS events (taking a game off DnS: good. Losing to PiLiPiLi: bad. Forfeiting because of fear of flying: Huh?). By the way, isn't it crazy how every single region had a Terran in the finals? What happened to foreign Terrans all of a sudden? [Editor's note: the very innocent and pure Soularion actually asks this question out of genuine curiosity and not because he's a balance-baiting troll. Pat him on the head.]

au (Wiki)NXZ: Now, that is a name I have not heard in a long, long time. Back in 2015, NXZ actually qualified for WCS Season 2 in what was then a huge upset, having won an entertaining 5-game series against heavy favorite PiG. Then, he got bounced out 0-4 in a not-particularly-difficult group, but maybe he'll have some success on his second try. He beat Probe, Yours and Demi in the qualifiers, which is about a good a run as you're going to get nowadays. Still, it's nice to see someone get a second chance. It bears repeating: if Yours and GogojOey could take games, NXZ definitely can.

Fighting From the Round of 80


So, you may have noticed that the pool of seeded players is missing some familiar names. TRUE forfeited Challenger, Probe suffered a big upset in SEA, China went through generation change, and Europe did Europe things. Don't worry, though: A lot of your favorite players are still playing at the event! They'll have to brave the open-sign up groups/round of eighty, but playing amateurs and fans rarely poses a problem to progamers. The real danger of coming up from the round of eighty is seeding when advancing to the later rounds. All it takes is one tough group, and it could be 'seeya in Valencia!' for a championship contender.





Credits and acknowledgements

Written by: Soularion
Editor: Wax
Photos: Andre Hainke
Statistics: Aligulac.com

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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 01 2018 01:54 GMT
#2
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

User was warned for this post.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4501 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-01 02:24:02
June 01 2018 02:22 GMT
#3
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

Ouch, shots fired.

Although i do THINK Serral is the best foreign player right now, i do have to agree with you about the quality of the Hangzhou win for Neeb. So i agree in summary that there is a question mark there.
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Torrefy
Profile Joined August 2014
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June 01 2018 02:54 GMT
#4
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.


One of the dumbest comments you're likely to see anytime soon.

Neeb can definitely challenge Serral for the title of top foreigner but the rest of this is salty garbage.
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 01 2018 04:12 GMT
#5
On June 01 2018 11:54 Torrefy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.


One of the dumbest comments you're likely to see anytime soon.

Neeb can definitely challenge Serral for the title of top foreigner but the rest of this is salty garbage.

When a player who had done next to nothing their entire career but whine dominates a two-time world champion in the match up they complain most about right after a major design patch, the results of anyone who plays the same race are suspect. Blizzard also directed a nerf to help fix that match up, so it isn't just based on salt and aligulac.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
June 01 2018 04:22 GMT
#6
On June 01 2018 11:54 Torrefy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.


One of the dumbest comments you're likely to see anytime soon.

Neeb can definitely challenge Serral for the title of top foreigner but the rest of this is salty garbage.

BoggyB is one of the most aggressive trolls on this site, so I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
June 01 2018 04:25 GMT
#7
Yeah, Serral's win happened shortly after the patch, when most Protoss were struggling with the vZ matchup. Even the Korean Protoss were struggling vZ. I think that if Neeb can beat Rogue in Hangzhou, he can definitely beat Serral.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 01 2018 07:20 GMT
#8
On June 01 2018 13:12 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 11:54 Torrefy wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.


One of the dumbest comments you're likely to see anytime soon.

Neeb can definitely challenge Serral for the title of top foreigner but the rest of this is salty garbage.

When a player who had done next to nothing their entire career but whine dominates a two-time world champion in the match up they complain most about right after a major design patch, the results of anyone who plays the same race are suspect. Blizzard also directed a nerf to help fix that match up, so it isn't just based on salt and aligulac.

Aren't you a Rogue fan?
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 01 2018 08:27 GMT
#9
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

User was warned for this post.


My eyes almost popped out of my head...how many GSL wins has this disgustingly OP race had?
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
June 01 2018 08:41 GMT
#10
again: foreign zergs are just better
I Protoss winner, could it be?
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
June 01 2018 09:33 GMT
#11
On June 01 2018 17:41 Penev wrote:
again: foreign zergs are just better

Why didn't atleast Noregret win GSL then?!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
June 01 2018 09:51 GMT
#12
On June 01 2018 18:33 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 17:41 Penev wrote:
again: foreign zergs are just better

Why didn't atleast Noregret win GSL then?!

can noregret even be considered a foreigner?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
getg00d
Profile Joined April 2017
United States120 Posts
June 01 2018 11:33 GMT
#13
On June 01 2018 18:51 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 18:33 DBooN wrote:
On June 01 2018 17:41 Penev wrote:
again: foreign zergs are just better

Why didn't atleast Noregret win GSL then?!

can noregret even be considered a foreigner?


not anymore
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SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
June 01 2018 12:23 GMT
#14
On June 01 2018 17:27 mierin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

User was warned for this post.


My eyes almost popped out of my head...how many GSL wins has this disgustingly OP race had?


soo, nuff said rofl.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 01 2018 13:02 GMT
#15
On June 01 2018 16:20 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 13:12 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 11:54 Torrefy wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.


One of the dumbest comments you're likely to see anytime soon.

Neeb can definitely challenge Serral for the title of top foreigner but the rest of this is salty garbage.

When a player who had done next to nothing their entire career but whine dominates a two-time world champion in the match up they complain most about right after a major design patch, the results of anyone who plays the same race are suspect. Blizzard also directed a nerf to help fix that match up, so it isn't just based on salt and aligulac.

Aren't you a Rogue fan?

Yes, he's the only Zerg player I root for. (I sometimes root against other players which involves supporting a Zerg player temporarily) While I enjoyed his Katowice win, I don't think it means much in comparison to any of his tournament wins last year.
Tayewo
Profile Joined December 2016
Germany28 Posts
June 01 2018 14:30 GMT
#16
Thank you for this overview Soularion.

I like the format with the 3 group stages and that we have this 3-days-event.

Wish you all a lot of fun watching the games!
Balance, it is all about balance (even in sc2 ;))
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-01 14:46:39
June 01 2018 14:42 GMT
#17
On June 01 2018 17:27 mierin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

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My eyes almost popped out of my head...how many GSL wins has this disgustingly OP race had?


Yeah, that troll you were replying to doesn't know what he's talking about. Just ignore him. But, since you asked...

GSL Champions (Opens, Seasons, Super Tournaments, and Cups)
Zerg: 12
Protoss: 13
Terran: 13

Like others have said, Serral is just that good. I get dizzy watching replays from his point of view.
Skill is relative.
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-01 14:46:26
June 01 2018 14:45 GMT
#18
Accidental double post. Please delete.
Skill is relative.
xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
June 01 2018 15:05 GMT
#19
You'd expect people to chill about zerg being op because foreigners when just 1 of 13 zergs made into code S Ro8 and with a bo3 loss still, but they never quit do they?
No prejudices, i hate everyone equally.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-01 15:41:54
June 01 2018 15:37 GMT
#20
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

I've been trying to push the Neeb > Serral narrative for a while now, but his win at Hangzou wasn't anything incredible.

herO just lost to freaking eMotion in GSL, and Rogue will lose to literally anyone if it's in a tournament he doesn't really care about.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-01 15:41:10
June 01 2018 15:40 GMT
#21
On June 02 2018 00:05 xTJx wrote:
You'd expect people to chill about zerg being op because foreigners when just 1 of 13 zergs made into code S Ro8 and with a bo3 loss still, but they never quit do they?

This is a silly argument regardless of your position of balance.

In terms of distrubiton at the top level (e.g. average number of them in ro8s) zerg is surely the best race of the last 12 months or so? You shouldn't use one tournament as evidence that zerg is weaker, when it's literally the only tournament in recent memory that hasn't had at least 3 zergs in the ro8.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4501 Posts
June 01 2018 20:35 GMT
#22
On June 02 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

I've been trying to push the Neeb > Serral narrative for a while now, but his win at Hangzou wasn't anything incredible.

herO just lost to freaking eMotion in GSL, and Rogue will lose to literally anyone if it's in a tournament he doesn't really care about.

Ahh lucky we have Fango here, to determine which tournaments rogue does, and does not care for.
hi. big fan.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-01 20:39:23
June 01 2018 20:38 GMT
#23
On June 02 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

I've been trying to push the Neeb > Serral narrative for a while now, but his win at Hangzou wasn't anything incredible.

herO just lost to freaking eMotion in GSL, and Rogue will lose to literally anyone if it's in a tournament he doesn't really care about.

and after herO lost to eMotion he beat Zest at the super tournament..

On June 02 2018 05:35 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner.

There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018.

Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game.

I've been trying to push the Neeb > Serral narrative for a while now, but his win at Hangzou wasn't anything incredible.

herO just lost to freaking eMotion in GSL, and Rogue will lose to literally anyone if it's in a tournament he doesn't really care about.

Ahh lucky we have Fango here, to determine which tournaments rogue does, and does not care for.

Rogue wins -> he cares for the tournament
Rogue loses -> he doesn't care for the tournament.
Seems pretty clear for me
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
June 01 2018 20:43 GMT
#24
Super hype for the tournament, this is really a star studded lineup. The balance seems really good now too and fun to watch.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
June 02 2018 10:35 GMT
#25
Cool to hear they needed a waiting list because so many people signed up.

I just stumbled over the 2016 proleague announcement and hey - almost 2 years later sc2 is still being played. Yay!
xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
June 02 2018 12:47 GMT
#26
On June 02 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2018 00:05 xTJx wrote:
You'd expect people to chill about zerg being op because foreigners when just 1 of 13 zergs made into code S Ro8 and with a bo3 loss still, but they never quit do they?

This is a silly argument regardless of your position of balance.

In terms of distrubiton at the top level (e.g. average number of them in ro8s) zerg is surely the best race of the last 12 months or so? You shouldn't use one tournament as evidence that zerg is weaker, when it's literally the only tournament in recent memory that hasn't had at least 3 zergs in the ro8.


Never said zerg was weaker, i said it wasn't op. The only silly arguments in this site are terrans trying to pick every fact to turn into balance whine, which is the reason i wrote that comment. I know better than take mech streams as balance evidence.

Also i didn't use "one" tournament as evidence, i used THE tournament as evidence. If you're not aware, balance patches happens now and then, which change the state of the game. Last one was 2 weeks ago, not 12 months ago.

By your own logic marauders shouldn't been buffed, because it has been less than 1 year that protoss is favored in PvT.
No prejudices, i hate everyone equally.
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-02 13:42:55
June 02 2018 13:39 GMT
#27
On June 02 2018 21:47 xTJx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
On June 02 2018 00:05 xTJx wrote:
You'd expect people to chill about zerg being op because foreigners when just 1 of 13 zergs made into code S Ro8 and with a bo3 loss still, but they never quit do they?

This is a silly argument regardless of your position of balance.

In terms of distrubiton at the top level (e.g. average number of them in ro8s) zerg is surely the best race of the last 12 months or so? You shouldn't use one tournament as evidence that zerg is weaker, when it's literally the only tournament in recent memory that hasn't had at least 3 zergs in the ro8.


Never said zerg was weaker, i said it wasn't op. The only silly arguments in this site are terrans trying to pick every fact to turn into balance whine, which is the reason i wrote that comment. I know better than take mech streams as balance evidence.

Also i didn't use "one" tournament as evidence, i used THE tournament as evidence. If you're not aware, balance patches happens now and then, which change the state of the game. Last one was 2 weeks ago, not 12 months ago.

By your own logic marauders shouldn't been buffed, because it has been less than 1 year that protoss is favored in PvT.


Imo this tournament (and these foreign tournaments in general - in the history of sc2) is more an illustration of the degree of difficulty to play a certain race vs. any balance implication. It's clear Terran has had a resurgence in Korea with the latest patch (even if TvP is now basically a cheese-fest). I don't think we've seen enough Tvz's on the new patch in Korea to say anything yet - Maru v Solar was on old patch (and was going to be a stomp fest either way) - Can't recall if patch was live for Inno/Soo / Inno/Rogue but those games also kind of went as expected (pretty sure was still on old patch).

Dark got crushed by Protoss (don't know much about Pvz) - and there you have your ro8 zerg status in Kr.

I just watched the vods of Byun/Gumi/Sos/Stats and I can't even believe what I watched - I'm not as surprised about Byun making it out - he showed incredible games - but Gumi just went nuts - need to pick these vods apart - but it did look like almost every game won by a Terran had a proxy involved lol - so think we still have a ways to go in this matchup.


Also P.S - STEPHANO HYPE! Taking out HeroMarine after the games he's showed recently is super impressive.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
June 02 2018 13:56 GMT
#28
On June 02 2018 22:39 DomeGetta wrote:
I don't think we've seen enough Tvz's on the new patch in Korea to say anything yet - Maru v Solar was on old patch (and was going to be a stomp fest either way) - Can't recall if patch was live for Inno/Soo / Inno/Rogue but those games also kind of went as expected (pretty sure was still on old patch).

The entire Ro16 was played on the new patch.
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DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
June 02 2018 17:28 GMT
#29
On June 02 2018 22:56 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2018 22:39 DomeGetta wrote:
I don't think we've seen enough Tvz's on the new patch in Korea to say anything yet - Maru v Solar was on old patch (and was going to be a stomp fest either way) - Can't recall if patch was live for Inno/Soo / Inno/Rogue but those games also kind of went as expected (pretty sure was still on old patch).

The entire Ro16 was played on the new patch.


Ahh ok thanks for clarifying - doesn't change much imo since we saw 5(t) to 4(z) with no big upsets as far as I see it not a noticeable shift. Rogue vs Maru is going to be epic - definitely some intell to be gained from that one.
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