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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Spinoza
667 Posts
He was made for casting. He was fun, he was vocal .. he was verbal .. he was all that and more. E sport hall of fame for sure. Fitting with the top-hat on the TL logo. | ||
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101toss
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Craven`
Germany23 Posts
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
That is when they really die to me. So with TL taking the hat off the logo and this thread slowing down... it's just really sad because it is time to move on... without him. | ||
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mLtySC
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
On June 07 2018 13:43 BronzeKnee wrote: The saddest part about any death, is when people stop talking about a person. That is when they really die to me. So with TL taking the hat off the logo and this thread slowing down... it's just really sad because it is time to move on... without him. I think it's fine. His friends, family, and loved ones will move on, life must move on. His legacy is a long one, affecting so many people he helped and inspired, he will not be forgotten. It's now up to us to make sure that way. | ||
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baiesradu
Romania150 Posts
That way he can still continue to be ! | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On June 07 2018 14:41 digmouse wrote: I think it's fine. His friends, family, and loved ones will move on, life must move on. His legacy is a long one, affecting so many people he helped and inspired, he will not be forgotten. It's now up to us to make sure that way. Yes man. People can't just think all time about those who left us too soon. But i can assure you that in decades to comes his family and close people will think of him. Even in youtube people often go to see old video and i know that even in 10 years and more people will still watch his and have a thought for him. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16949 Posts
http://archive.is/FKmsm lots of incorrect statements. like .. SC2 didn't come out until July 2010. he couldn't be an SC2 commentator in 2009. there were no MLG SC2 events in 2009. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16949 Posts
i changed the link so it goes to an archive rather than the article itself on the forbes website. also, it preserves all the factual errors in case the writer chooses to correct them and tries to pretend a correction never occurred. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 13 2018 12:07 vult wrote: Why did someone even put the effort into writing this? Like, what does it even matter anymore, its just drama for the sake of drama. Because the world's full of terrible human beings, and for some of them this is a way of life. Imagine being so pitiful and pathetic that you live in festering hatred for years over some perceived slight and then air out your delusional and spiteful grievances like this... Shame on Forbes for not properly curating their contributor section. Nutcases like this will only damage their reputation in the long run. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On July 13 2018 10:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote: pretty rough hit piece on TotalBiscuit in Forbes a couple of days ago. http://archive.is/FKmsm lots of incorrect statements. like .. SC2 didn't come out until July 2010. he couldn't be an SC2 commentator in 2009. there were no MLG SC2 events in 2009. I think those are minor quibbles, the author just confused the dates by one year. Otherwise the article seems factually correct, it is just that it takes a hateful, uncharitable tone and editorializes to cast all of TB's actions in a bad light. Some people have never forgiven TB for supporting Gamergate, because they can't grasp that people have complex motivations and because they overestimate the role of individuals within movements. Yes, Gamergate turned out to have been a reactionary movement whose main accomplishments were inciting harassment, and yes, if you had followed the online right and 4chan and if you had read forum threads discussing e.g. sexualization of female video game characters, then you could have predicted that Gamergate was a fraudulent movement from the outset. A lot of people did and were more prescient than TB. I'm not certain of TB's motivations, but presumably he thought that as one of the preeminent consumer advocates and independent voices in video game criticism, he should lend his voice to any sort of populist gamer uprising against corruption. He was politically naïve and later sought to distance himself from Gamergate only when it was already far too obvious that it was primarily a hate movement. I think it's a matter of perspective. If you were part of these online feminist call-out cultures, like SRS, Jezebel, Gamerghazi, Pandagon etc. and all you know about TB is that 1. he was a consumer advocate for gaaaamers (eeeew! yuck!); and 2. he supported Gamergate (omg! Nazi!) 3. he is a privileged white male (#KillAllMen) then yes, you are going to cheer on his death. I also wasn't happy about TB's actions with regards to Gamergate, but I respect his work, his passion, his dedication and I think that in the grand scheme of things his original Gamergate advocacy is just one stupid decision in an otherwise great career. TB's support for StarCraft 2 alone is sufficient proof of his positive side. Without turning this into a political statement, let's just say that there is a reason people hate online feminists. Yes, sometimes people are sexist and misogynist and unfairly view all of feminism through the lens of a few handpicked examples. But sometimes feminists can be insufferable, will excommunicate you for one slip-up, will call everyone who slightly disagrees with them a reactionary, will consider themselves morally superior to everyone, will dishonestly interpret everything you say, and will carry grudges for years. There is a reason people dismissively talk about call-out culture. They don't deserve most of the hate they get, and certainly Anita Sarkeesian was treated incredibly unfairly and did nothing wrong, but as a political movement it's also a sort of dead end and I think their attitude towards TB is emblematic of this. I should also say that I checked Gamerghazi after TB died and although there were some hateful comments, there were also a lot of people who viewed him positively overall and who did not support the hardline stance. I expected worse, to be honest. | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
I want this to be a place where people who liked TB can say how much they miss him. If you start talking about his wider impact, you either get a situation where their is an echo chamber of "I can't believe people hated TB, he was literally an angel" OR Critics don't hold their tongues, and we get wall to wall arguments about how someone who is dead is a jerk or not, and I'm not sure that's the original intent of the thread. | ||
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SayfT
Australia298 Posts
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dicey
142 Posts
Nutcases like? Have you read the article or only skimmed it? On July 13 2018 17:29 Grumbels wrote:and unfairly view all of feminism through the lens of a few handpicked examples. But sometimes feminists can be insufferable, will excommunicate you for one slip-up, will call everyone who slightly disagrees with them a reactionary, will consider themselves morally superior to everyone, will dishonestly interpret everything you say, and will carry grudges for years. There is a reason people dismissively talk about call-out culture. They don't deserve most of the hate they get, and certainly Anita Sarkeesian was treated incredibly unfairly and did nothing wrong, but as a political movement it's also a sort of dead end and I think their attitude towards TB is emblematic of this. I should also say that I checked Gamerghazi after TB died and although there were some hateful comments, there were also a lot of people who viewed him positively overall and who did not support the hardline stance. I expected worse, to be honest. Don't know what the whole debate was about in essence, but thanks for the write-up and summary. I feel TB's message always was "be a better consumer" and rarely dabbled into other affairs, being clear on the fact that a one-off commentary will rarely influence others to be a better person as a whole. As far as militant feminism goes... well, a lot is being misconstrued and the forbes article actually debunks a bit on that. Unrelated: Check out further reactions to the moderate stance of for example Annemunition (spoilers: more hate. And yes, this should be another thread, as people hating people still shouldn't be the norm). Yeah, absolutist positions will drive people away and are unreasonable and unfair, but (to keep it short) what's the (preferable) alternative? Edit: Added very short reply top. Thanks for locking the thread. Again, the essential: best wishes to TB's family&friends--let's focus on what counts | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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