These maps are such a joke. How to make this game even more unenjoyable to play. At least for zerg. Not only diversity is pretty much dead for the race. we not only have to deal with in base naturals, but free in base gold for other races, while not being able to take the gold ourselves.

Darkness sanctuary = cant even see anything on the map, as a zerg at least.
Map is super dark blue,+ purple creep.
I have opponents set as white, yet their units look blue. Everything look blue. In zvz all zerglings look the same even tho i have orange for my color and white for their color.

16 bits is in base natural with layouts super good for mech and protoss.

Dream catcher is tolerable.

Lost and found is actually a good map. The only great one really.

megamanx32

16 Posts

May 22 2018 08:26 GMT

#108

On May 21 2018 22:46 Snakestyle1 wrote:
These maps are such a joke. How to make this game even more unenjoyable to play. At least for zerg. Not only diversity is pretty much dead for the race. we not only have to deal with in base naturals, but free in base gold for other races, while not being able to take the gold ourselves.

Darkness sanctuary = cant even see anything on the map, as a zerg at least.
Map is super dark blue,+ purple creep.
I have opponents set as white, yet their units look blue. Everything look blue. In zvz all zerglings look the same even tho i have orange for my color and white for their color.

16 bits is in base natural with layouts super good for mech and protoss.

Dream catcher is tolerable.

Lost and found is actually a good map. The only great one really.

I play terran, and have vetoed exacly the same maps, and for almost same reasons.

Of the new map I really like Lost and found. Dream catcher is also ok. But for me previous map pool was much better.

Bacillus

Finland2112 Posts

May 23 2018 16:08 GMT

#109

Layout wise I'm still fine with experimenting and all that, but I really don't understand why we are using tilesets that make the game visually harder to understand. Darkness sanctuary is the worst offender obviously, but Dreamcatcher would probably be easier to understand with something else than light green too.

Ben...

Canada3485 Posts

May 30 2018 00:30 GMT

#110

I think this map pool is up there with the 2011 map pool (the third season I think?) as being among the worst map pools we've had (I'm talking the pool that had slag pits, nerazim crypt and searing crater). It's noticeably worse than the last pool we had and significantly worse than the one prior.

Darkness Sanctuary actively encourages horrid turtle games, especially in PvP and against mech. Same with 16-Bit. Redshift is super gimmicky. I haven't played enough games on Dreamcatcher to judge it yet but the couple I've played have been not so good.

Lost and Found is the only non-terrible new map so far, but it's not as good as either Blackpink or Neon Violet Square.

If they had kept either Blackpink or Neon Violet Square instead of Acid Plant (or any of the new maps), I'd be ok with the pool because at least once vetoes are done I'd have a 2/4 (or 3/4) chance of getting a good map (since Catalyst is great). I vetoed Acid Plant last season but it's now suddenly become one of the least worst options sadly.

At least have more maps if we have to have these ones. I looked it up and we used to have 10 maps in the 1v1 pool, not 7. With 7, using all 3 vetoes leaves you only 4 maps to play, and it gets stale quickly.

I hate to say it but I might end up skipping playing this season as a result. I'm just not having fun on this map pool.

Charoisaur

Germany16102 Posts

May 30 2018 06:05 GMT

#111

Every time the same story. A new mappool comes and everyone complains that it's the worst thing ever, then the next mappool comes and suddenly the old mappool was good and the new mappool is terrible.
I've seen this often enough to not take those complaints serious anymore, it's just a matter of getting used to the maps.
The only bad maps are Redshift and Darkness Sanktuary the rest is decent to good.

insitelol

845 Posts

May 30 2018 11:06 GMT

#112

On May 30 2018 15:05 Charoisaur wrote:
Every time the same story. A new mappool comes and everyone complains that it's the worst thing ever, then the next mappool comes and suddenly the old mappool was good and the new mappool is terrible.
I've seen this often enough to not take those complaints serious anymore, it's just a matter of getting used to the maps.
The only bad maps are Redshift and Darkness Sanktuary the rest is decent to good.

I'd rather pay attention to another "coinsidence": solid standard maps like catalyst, kss, overgrowth, abyssal, ascension to aiur, god even daybreak are ALWAYS the MOST played and LESS vetoed on all possible levels (from gsl to NA ladder). Even Blizzard themselves ALWAYS make these maps "stay for another season". Every single time. For 6 years.

But on the other hand, every single season (and TLMC) they try to force this degenerate "innovative map" concept. God we got billions of that over the years. All that dash and terminal, abiogenesis, dasan station, paladino terminal, ruins of endion stuff, you know. They (blizzard) even managed to "innovate" mappool w/o the help of the community intoducing us such masterpieces like inferno pools, klontas mire and, of course, one and only Daedalus Point Mmm yammi. Now we got redshift and DS (dreamcatcher and 16-bit are bad as well). Maps that everyone will ban and spit on and eventually happily forget in 4 months or so and never ever remember.

And btw I never heard anyone saying the maps i mentioned above were actually good even after they'd been on ladder for half a year. People just adapt thats true. It's in the nature of a man. But do we have a choice? Blizzard never listens. The fact you don't take the complaints seriously is a consequence of blizzard's continuous attitude who's acting like the feedback on this matter is just white noise. All they think about is shaking this game up (with stupid maps or balance tweaks, w/e) hoping that will increase the game's popularity. A free tip: it won't.

So yeah, we have another season of awful maps while there is INSANE amout of decent maps to choose from out there.

Charoisaur

Germany16102 Posts

May 30 2018 19:07 GMT

#113

Map pool with 7 Overgrowth clones would be boring as hell, I like that they're experimenting with interesting ideas.
It's a strategy game so adapting to different maps where you can't do your 0815 buildorder every game isn't asked too much.
If you don't like it, just veto the non-standard maps and play on the remaining 4-5 Daybreak clones.