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Durnuu
13325 Posts
On December 19 2017 03:34 captainwaffles wrote: Yes, maybe there's some bullshit inherent to Protoss. There, thats it. The article can be reduced to that one sentence. You completely missed the point, congratz | ||
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franzji
United States583 Posts
I think he chose to ignore the point, which in fact strengthens the point of what the articles is about, which is very funny. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10939 Posts
This was allways the protoss spirit | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Did he really though? Mizenhauer's article–while well-written–doesn't bring anything groundbreaking to the table. He is just defending Protoss, and while he does a pretty good job of it, I doubt that very many people will be convinced if for no other reason than the narrative of Protoss bullshit is deeply entrenched after years of attention. Protoss does have some inherent bullshit (which is not to say that T/Z don't), and this article doesn't change that. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10939 Posts
The guy that tought having warpgate as standard production should have been fired and locked away in an austrian basement since wol beta. | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On December 19 2017 03:45 Velr wrote: And actually the issue is simple. The guy that tought having warpgate as standard production should have been fired and locked away in an austrian basement since wol beta. Protoss has a great long list of bullshit gimmicks, but warpgate is the original sin. So long as it remains in the game, Protoss will never be able to reach a stable equilibrium. Number tweaking can bring about a temporary and tenuous balance, but nothing more. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On December 19 2017 03:33 JackONeill wrote: Soooo I'm not "allowed" to dislike the new star wars movie because i'm not a film maker? Alright buddy, seems like a fair point. Well it was your "This brings nothing to the table" bit at the very end that rubbed me the wrong way It most certainly does, it brings a good starcraft II article to the table. Your welcome to agree or disagree with it, but "this brings nothing to the table" is at best hypocritical and at worst just a dick comment to make | ||
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Sundr
34 Posts
Really hate those kinds of stereotypes thrown around about races. Not any kind of pro here, just average player. Fell in love with Protoss from the first time I've seen them in original SC many-many years ago. Each and every race in this game requires very specific mindset and approach to play from times immemorial. Playing as Toss is very intuitional and satisfying for me. It's micro intensive, sure, but Terran or Zerg really doesn't feel less micro intensive tbh, and even if it is, personally I can't rewire my mind to play Terran or Zerg properly, I just don't understand how to, and every single interaction feels "wrong", "inefficient", "blunt", while playing main race feels like harmonious melody. There are some players who mastered 2 races or randoms by nature, and that's phenomenal, but I'm pretty sure overwhelming majority develops affinity which is hard to kick and transfer. So branding any race with inappropriate cliches at very least cannot be taken seriously. | ||
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TypeOfT
14 Posts
I don't play toss, don't hate them. Have a strong dislike for the type of players that play them. Toss is the best race too cheese with.... thanks for the good read! | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
On December 19 2017 01:46 yht9657 wrote: Nothing surprising, since all people complain about other races being OP and their race being weak, it's obvious Protoss as the least represented race on ladder is the most OP race. Its more obvious that Protoss as the least represented race on ladder is the least fun race to play. | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
On December 19 2017 03:50 Aveng3r wrote: Well it was your "This brings nothing to the table" bit at the very end that rubbed me the wrong way It most certainly does, it brings a good starcraft II article to the table. Your welcome to agree or disagree with it, but "this brings nothing to the table" is at best hypocritical and at worst just a dick comment to make This article has a great subject, but doesn't answer it at all, and doesn't bring much to the table overall ; that's my opinion. If you don't agree with it, present some legitimate counterpoints other than "you're a dick/hypocrite for saying that" or "it rubbed me the wrong way" : but if you're particularly anal about this for no real reason, please don't try to justify it fraudulently. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
You can ever cheese, play greedy, play safe, or wait for the long lategame where you can't hardly lose. Zerg is kind a bad at cheesing, and need to nearly always go for the macro game, even after a cheese/pressure. Terran is usually on a timer and needs to be agressive and finish the game as fast as he can at all cost. Protoss, can play all the kind of game he wants : agressive, defensive, reactive and on a tournament where you need to surprise the other and be unpredictible, protoss is ahead at this game. Of course, it's not invincible, and when you play the mind game you can fail very hard. Zerg is probably the deadliest enemy of protoss because he can adapt to all the protoss strategy if he knows it's coming, then PvZ is more about poker than micro/mecanism. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On December 19 2017 04:46 JackONeill wrote: This article has a great subject, but doesn't answer it at all, and doesn't bring much to the table overall ; that's my opinion. If you don't agree with it, present some legitimate counterpoints other than "you're a dick/hypocrite for saying that" or "it rubbed me the wrong way" : but if you're particularly anal about this for no real reason, please don't try to justify it fraudulently. Oh it has a great subject! that's good, glad you found it to be great! By the way my counterpoint for why it brings something to the table is in my previous post, feel free to re-read | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States741 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
Hellions have been nerfed repeatedly since WoL. Queens have been buffed REPEATEDLY since WoL. Adepts were overpowered and deserved to be nerfed in LoTV. You want to talk about how there's no difference between Adepts and Hellions, then let's talk about it shall we? Hellions cannot function as a massable army unit, they are a harassment specialist only. When HoTS came out they became a unit that could also function as a damage sponge and little else. Adepts are nimble, standard combat units that also function terrifically as a harassment unit. Hellions have nothing gimmicky in their design, they are fast, fragile, and deal minsicule damage to anything that isn't labeled "Light". Adepts are beefy, close range damage dealers that can use invulnerable hallucinations in order to move to another area or not to, a single adept can be a simultaneous threat to two locations, a single hellion cannot. And then there's the elephant in the room. Adepts can be warped in, across the map in huge numbers. Hellions can't. So you'll forgive me, if I call shenanigans on your implication that Adepts have been nerfed just because people hate Protoss for irrational reasons. No. Adepts have been nerfed repeatedly because they are a gimmicky unit design that was too strong for a very long time. Maybe now that they are in their current iteration people won't hate them as much, much the same way that everyone hated Blue Flame Hellions or Helbat drops for a long while before those strats got rightfully nerfed as well. But no, I guess it's just that the community has an irrational totally unjustified reason to hate Protoss design elements. I'm sure that's a better explanation. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Also fun comments. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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