EPTPROTOSSED, or how we gave up on understanding - Page 3
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SPcrusader
Norway99 Posts
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yht9657
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On December 19 2017 01:16 nojok wrote: Warp gate is the worst idea one could have, I entirely blame most of SCII issues on it. Sidenote on a protoss question that buzzed me : "Aiur" sounds like "ailleurs" which means "elsewhere" in French but I've not seen any word on it, maybe it's just a random homophony. And Aiur land sounds like "ireland", the plot thickens... Some love for protoss, i like it :> though i hate sOs :p | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
i say this as someone who has been high diamond MMR with both Z and P since HOTS. in HOTS i got tons of free wins with really brutal and annoying cheese, like at one point i was beating master terrans with proxy gateway in the middle of 4p maps into proxy stargate and blink, and i fully admit that was crap design. but when my cheeses work these days more often i can identify things my opponent could have done to identify my build and play more defensively, and i don't feel like i flipped the troll coin and got lucky. many toss complain about hydra bane, but as a Z/P i actually think it greatly improved the matchup by making it harder to turtle into abusive skytoss comps. of course it's still possible to play skytoss, but zerg has a more intimidating midgame and you have to play more skillfully to get past it as for pvt, i can't be as objective because my terran is probably plat level and i dislike the race, but i do think liberators gave terrans a tool they can use to clamp down with some really brutal pushes that require every specific execution to defend, much like protoss traditionally had with their allins. pvt is in a weird place right now and i agree with the chrono upgrade nerfs, so we'll see where how the matchup evolves, but like pvz it doesn't feel as easy to simply allin or create a deathball - to their credit even diamond terrans have gotten very very good at finding damage with drops and using tanks and libs for space control i think modern protoss is more fair and less frustrating than in the past. but eventually you have to just let the whiners whine - there will always be thousands of people who just have shit attitudes and think their race is UP | ||
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Vivax
21774 Posts
HotS: Which all in will they use? LotV: Where did they hide the starport? | ||
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Psychobabas
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franzji
United States581 Posts
Mass oracle to defend marine tank push (lol what), double expand with a gold base and massing chargelots catching innovation off guard as soon as he left the base. He was pulling off even more some interesting stuff, some that didn't work (the blink dt build for example). and I ended up going to the forums to see people saying ohhh it's SoS, he is playing cheesy again, protoss bullshit, ect. My point is, I do hate the bias towards protoss when do stuff different. strategy != bullshit is something that people still haven't learned. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15867 Posts
When protoss plays a mass gateway immortal templar style it requires just as much skill as the other races. That said I think in Lotv I've heard it much more often that Zerg is the easiest race to play. Why is this thread about Protoss? | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On December 19 2017 02:20 youngjiddle wrote: Not to long ago it was innovation - SoS gsl finals and SoS was pulling out some awesome strategies vs. innovation's same marine - tank midgame push he did most of the games. Mass oracle to defend marine tank push (lol what), double expand with a gold base and massing chargelots catching innovation off guard as soon as he left the base. He was pulling off even more some interesting stuff, some that didn't work (the blink dt build for example). and I ended up going to the forums to see people saying ohhh it's SoS, he is playing cheesy again, protoss bullshit, ect. My point is, I do hate the bias towards protoss when do stuff different. strategy != bullshit is something that people still haven't learned. I will listen to the top korean terrans who are saying TvP is a problem. thanks | ||
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Hannibaal
41 Posts
On December 19 2017 01:16 nojok wrote: Warp gate is the worst idea one could have, I entirely blame most of SCII issues on it. Warpgate was a bad idea, but SC2 has many other design flaws, on macromechanics terran mules and zerg injects and creep spread are disastrous in terms of design; in my opinion another of the failures of SC2 is the multiple building selection, and that you can put an entire army into a single control group, in fact I see quite a few zergs in the Master League that only use the F2 key and I have also seen Some GM (one that was even in GSL) constantly using the F2 key. | ||
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franzji
United States581 Posts
On December 19 2017 02:41 Psychobabas wrote: I will listen to the top korean terrans who are saying TvP is a problem. thanks excuse me, what are you talking about? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Anyhow, the larger issue is straightforward as can be. Simply put, people cheer for what they like, and a lot of people don't like Protoss. Sure it's not fair, but if you are seriously hung up on that, then I have some mindblowing news for you: Life is not fair. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Tuczniak
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
Doesn't make it any less frustrating to play against XD | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
On December 19 2017 02:59 Tuczniak wrote: I was disappointed by the quality of the article. It's a very interesting subject, but it could have been written better. I was looking forward for good points and arguments with which I might agree or disagree, but instead I was left wondering what was the point of each paragraph, and which sentence was a joke and which wasn't. My thoughts exactly. Instead of trying to analyse why do people have this feeling when watching protoss play, the point of this bleak article is that "Yes, maybe there's some bullshit inherent to Protoss. But on the whole, Protoss isn't as bad as we make it out to be." (last sentence of said article). Well alright but that's not why people are so annoyed or amazed at protoss play. For instance, one matter that could have been a serious topic is how people used, back in WOL, to be amazed by pro players warp prism control, and how the 6 range prism completely shattered that. Anyway, disappointed by an article base on an interesting subject, but brings, in the end, absolutely nothing to the table. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On December 19 2017 03:25 JackONeill wrote: My thoughts exactly. Instead of trying to analyse why do people have this feeling when watching protoss play, the point of this bleak article is that "Yes, maybe there's some bullshit inherent to Protoss. But on the whole, Protoss isn't as bad as we make it out to be." (last sentence of said article). Well alright but that's not why people are so annoyed or amazed at protoss play. For instance, one matter that could have been a serious topic is how people used, back in WOL, to be amazed by pro players warp prism control, and how the 6 range prism completely shattered that. Anyway, disappointed by an article base on an interesting subject, but brings, in the end, absolutely nothing to the table. That's a really great review you just wrote, what have you contributed recently? | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
On December 19 2017 03:30 Aveng3r wrote: That's a really great review you just wrote, what have you contributed recently? Soooo I'm not "allowed" to dislike the new star wars movie because i'm not a film maker? Alright buddy, seems like a fair point. | ||
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
There, thats it. The article can be reduced to that one sentence. | ||
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