EPTThe roster also remains unchanged:
Rogue, 
sOs, 
Maru, Trap, Cure and Creator will play for the team next year.Source: http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=442&aid=0000069305
Jin Air to continue SC2 team in 2018
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GTR
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The roster also remains unchanged: Rogue, sOs, Maru, Trap, Cure and Creator will play for the team next year.Source: http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=442&aid=0000069305
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ZombieGrub
United States719 Posts
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pvsnp
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33699 Posts
Perhaps they just can't offer salaries big enough to lure back some of the big names, who are hooked on freedom after finally getting out of the teamhouses. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33699 Posts
On November 21 2017 12:05 pvsnp wrote: Inb4 we find out they were going to disband but Rogue funded them for another year. NEWS: Jin Air rebrands as "Rogue's Sexy Boys" | ||
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IArako
Germany195 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Ryu3600
Canada470 Posts
 They also hosted the SSL this year which was awesome of them companies like Afreeca and Jinair make me happy | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Topin
Peru10128 Posts
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negativedge
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TelecoM
United States10847 Posts
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engesser1
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
On November 21 2017 13:01 Wolf wrote: Maru staying is really interesting news. I wonder if he will be able to return to form. Form, class, temporary, permanent, take a drink, you know the drill. | ||
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GreatCraft
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Support Jin Air : https://us-shop.eslgaming.com/collections/jin-air-green-wings | ||
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RaymondFish
United States42 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 21 2017 13:42 GreatCraft wrote: FUCK YEAH. SKT, KT, AND ALL THEM OTHER ******* left. But JIN AIR STAYED AND CONTINUES TO SUPPORT SC2. I'm going to buy some Jin Air clothing. Support Jin Air : https://us-shop.eslgaming.com/collections/jin-air-green-wings I'm seriously considering picking up a shirt. Hope the shipping doesn't murder me | ||
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highsis
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation193 Posts
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Executer08
Germany163 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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NdieWarp
Sweden8 Posts
On November 21 2017 12:22 Fango wrote: It's well deserved, Rogue had phenomenal results this year, sOs and Maru did amazing as well. I just wish Trap and Cure showed up more I actually disagree, I was surprised Jinair decided to stay and with this roster, given how the team preformed in individual leagues. Rogue was godlike in the second half of the year and is a top5 player this year. sOs did really well in GSL, but was lackluster otherwise. Since the 2 events he preformed really well in was GSLs that still makes it a strong resume. Maru got top4 at a GSL, but didn't come close to anything else, besides the not very stacked WESG event. And I mean, you can barely comment on the other players. Creator and Cure played one event each and did nothing(are they even playing actively?) and Traps best preformance is 2 ro16 appearances in the GSL. This leaves me quite confused as to why JAGW wouldn't swap out at least 2-3 players for much stronger players with much more potential to preform. Free agents include: Dark, Inno, Soo, Dear and Zest, and you could probably include other players whose sponsors are super small and nowheres Jinairs magnitude. The only guess I can get is that either the players left in JAGW just stay the same because they have more of a family feel betweem them, so the players/staff there don't focus too much on having the best/most marketable team possible as long as the world goes around. Another theory is that all the top players don't think whatever salary and teamsupport JAGW offers is enough to sacrifice their sense of on-the-spot freedom. | ||
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verecunda
Korea (South)121 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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DSh1
292 Posts
On November 21 2017 12:10 Waxangel wrote: Given that Jin Air have no real competitors in Korea, I wonder why they don't try to switch out their weaker members for the best players available? Perhaps they just can't offer salaries big enough to lure back some of the big names, who are hooked on freedom after finally getting out of the teamhouses. Because nobody likes teams which only buy the best players. Especially kinda awkward in this situation. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1927 Posts
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Ej_
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On November 21 2017 15:45 Phredxor wrote: Surprised they kept half of them on the team. Not surprised they kept the god awful uniforms. | ||
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Penev
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pink_disaster
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Silvana
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RQM
Korea (South)104 Posts
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shockwaveflah
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 21 2017 16:27 NdieWarp wrote: I actually disagree, I was surprised Jinair decided to stay and with this roster, given how the team preformed in individual leagues. Rogue was godlike in the second half of the year and is a top5 player this year. sOs did really well in GSL, but was lackluster otherwise. Since the 2 events he preformed really well in was GSLs that still makes it a strong resume. Maru got top4 at a GSL, but didn't come close to anything else, besides the not very stacked WESG event. And I mean, you can barely comment on the other players. Creator and Cure played one event each and did nothing(are they even playing actively?) and Traps best preformance is 2 ro16 appearances in the GSL. Rogue got GSL ro8 twice, first in Shangai/ST2/blizzcon. sOs got GSL final/ro4 and played in SSL premier for a season, Maru got GSL ro4/ro8, WeSG final, and played in both SSL premier seasons. I don't understand how you can look at these results and say the team was lacking. Trap and Cure had their focus elsewhere sure, but the big 3 did fine | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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bObA
France300 Posts
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Boggyb
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On that note, I hope Rogue got a pay raise. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On November 22 2017 01:18 Boggyb wrote: I would imagine they didn't swap players like Creator for INnoVation because INnoVation probably would want a much higher salary than Creator. On that note, I hope Rogue got a pay raise. Exactly, and without proleague there is really no incentive to have the most stacked team possible | ||
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DrunkenJedi
Germany175 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33699 Posts
On November 22 2017 01:54 starkiller123 wrote: Exactly, and without proleague there is really no incentive to have the most stacked team possible ??? There's still a bunch of individual leagues. If there was no incentive at all, then they wouldn't have a team at all. Even if you take the ultra-cynical view that the SC2 squad is literally ONLY there because a rich heiress likes StarCraft, the team has always operated in the past with the goals and objectives of a "normal" team. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 22 2017 03:42 Waxangel wrote: ??? There's still a bunch of individual leagues. If there was no incentive at all, then they wouldn't have a team at all. Even if you take the ultra-cynical view that the SC2 squad is literally ONLY there because a rich heiress likes StarCraft, the team has always operated in the past with the goals and objectives of a "normal" team. I'm not sure on the exact specific of the economics of teams sponsoring players, but there absolutely would be diminishing returns. e.g. I might buy some team paraphernalia because a team has a player I like, but I'm not going to buy 8 if they have 8 players I like. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
If winning a PL + PL runner up = random , then I agree. | ||
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paxconsciente
Belgium91 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On November 22 2017 06:10 Boggyb wrote: I'm not sure on the exact specific of the economics of teams sponsoring players, but there absolutely would be diminishing returns. e.g. I might buy some team paraphernalia because a team has a player I like, but I'm not going to buy 8 if they have 8 players I like. This. JinAir already has Rogue (Blizzcon winner, Sexy Boi and well known proleague sniper), sOs (2 time Blizzcon winner and well known out there player in general) and Maru (Maru). It's not like paying for Gumiho or something is suddenly gonna make that many more people buy their stuff, or notice them as a team. Also people don't have as strong associations to new pickups. Even if they did pick up Innovation or something, for a lot of people who follow the scene, the new pickup isn't going to have the history of team association. Proleague was really really good for tying eccentric players like Rogue and sOs to the JinAir image. | ||
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Boggyb
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On November 22 2017 08:22 opisska wrote: This situation is a little silly though, there is a lot of teamless or shit-teamed koreans and a group that randomly hit a jackpot of being on the one team that stayed, not sure if I can be happy about it. What ro teams even mean without a team league? Unless you're intimately familiar with the inner workings of these teams, how can you say that the players on Jin Air have so much better deals than those on foreign teams? | ||
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Togekiss
Canada154 Posts
I'm especially excited knowing that Maru gets what may be his last remaining chances at a GSL title! My hope is that his body can hold up a bit longer so that we may be blessed once again with the opportunity to witness the kind of inspirational play we all know he is capable of showing... | ||
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thefrol
Russian Federation30 Posts
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pvsnp
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On November 22 2017 01:18 Boggyb wrote: I would imagine they didn't swap players like Creator for INnoVation because INnoVation probably would want a much higher salary than Creator. On that note, I hope Rogue got a pay raise. Rogue is very literally the last player in SC2 that needs a pay raise right now. Rather, since KeSPA teams take a portion of a champion's prize money, I hope they gave some of Rogue's winnings to the other players on the team. | ||
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jy_9876543210
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
On November 22 2017 09:28 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: This. JinAir already has Rogue (Blizzcon winner, Sexy Boi and well known proleague sniper), sOs (2 time Blizzcon winner and well known out there player in general) and Maru (Maru). It's not like paying for Gumiho or something is suddenly gonna make that many more people buy their stuff, or notice them as a team. Also people don't have as strong associations to new pickups. Even if they did pick up Innovation or something, for a lot of people who follow the scene, the new pickup isn't going to have the history of team association. Proleague was really really good for tying eccentric players like Rogue and sOs to the JinAir image. I don't think, that this logic fits. JinAir might have 3 high calibre players but fans don't like every player who is successful. So, for me, as a fan of JinAir, not adding other players won't change anything, that's right. But for the SKT or KT fanboys JinAir might become a new friend, if they picked up Dark or TY. Also people tend to forget that we once had a pre-proleague era in SC2. GSTL was mainly irrelevant back then and most focus was on individual leagues. Nonetheless teams were extremely important. Partly because of infrastructure but also because of identification with the pro-scene. IM was the team of great champions, oGs was the team of unorthodoxy, MVP was the team of mediocreness, FXO were the globally connected guys, Prime was the team with one really outstanding player at a time, NSH was the team of rookies, Startale was the one rival IM really had. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On November 22 2017 17:21 Charoisaur wrote: Surprising. When they didn't send any players to IEM Katowice I assumed the team won't last much longer. Cure was on Overwatch. The other JinAir's players wasnt good enough. But ye, after the kespa team disbands they was like "some month so they can think about their future" | ||
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NdieWarp
Sweden8 Posts
On November 21 2017 22:24 Fango wrote: Rogue got GSL ro8 twice, first in Shangai/ST2/blizzcon. sOs got GSL final/ro4 and played in SSL premier for a season, Maru got GSL ro4/ro8, WeSG final, and played in both SSL premier seasons. I don't understand how you can look at these results and say the team was lacking. Trap and Cure had their focus elsewhere sure, but the big 3 did fine I said Rouge did really good? I also said sOs still did well despite not being consistent at all just because of the tournaments he did well in were really good. The only of those three players you mentioned that I even though had a underwhelming year was Maru(since I don't value WESG that high cuz it wasn't a very stacked event, and he didn't do much in SSL, and for someone like Maru I think you would at least want him to get a better result than a GSL top4, even if that is a great placing for a more average player. Even if you disagree with me on that, this was in the context of my full comment, where I pointed out that these placings combined with the nothing that you get out of the other 3 players(which I assume still are on the team and paid?) makes it weird to not add any other of the players that had a stronger year than pretty much every player on JAGW except maybe Rouge). Especially since there are many players that have more popularity or brand power than several players on JAGW. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 23 2017 02:59 NdieWarp wrote: I said Rouge did really good? I also said sOs still did well despite not being consistent at all just because of the tournaments he did well in were really good. The only of those three players you mentioned that I even though had a underwhelming year was Maru(since I don't value WESG that high cuz it wasn't a very stacked event, and he didn't do much in SSL, and for someone like Maru I think you would at least want him to get a better result than a GSL top4, even if that is a great placing for a more average player. Even if you disagree with me on that, this was in the context of my full comment, where I pointed out that these placings combined with the nothing that you get out of the other 3 players(which I assume still are on the team and paid?) makes it weird to not add any other of the players that had a stronger year than pretty much every player on JAGW except maybe Rouge). Especially since there are many players that have more popularity or brand power than several players on JAGW. If you look at it from a team persective Maru did fine. WeSG may not have been a difficult tournament but it was still one of the biggest esport events of the year, with him representing both Jin Air + korea as a whole. Plus advertising to a chinese audience is good for Jin Air as they run flights between them (I believe?). And although he didn't make SSL playoffs, just being able to play live every week is good exposure for the team, considering only 10 players get that per season now As far as the others guys go, you can't just replace players because they do better or worse for a season. Given the success of the big 3 it would make sense to keep them team as it is. The point of a team is to have a mixture of skill anyway to allow lesser players to practice and grow. | ||
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TKL
France33 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 23 2017 07:09 TKL wrote: Don't know if anyone asked this before but where do I buy Jin air gw gear to show support of their commitment to starcraft? You can get stuff at the ESL shop (https://shop.eslgaming.com/collections/jin-air-green-wings). There's also some other places that sell Jin Air gear iirc. | ||
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United_States_SC2
United States1 Post
,and we're ready now. | ||
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Yo_Man
43 Posts
rogue boss = JAGW boss = pays to invest into teams congrats ! good to see they're still a major player (read : sponsor) in the scene | ||
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