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November 7th, 2017 16:48 GMT

Rogue's Apotheosis
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by mizenhauer
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The past is a tricky and infuriating thing. It has, by definition already happened, and thereby should be incapable of directly affecting the present. Free to make our own decisions, we can shape our ideal future. And yet, it so rarely works out that way, both in life and in professional StarCraft II. For every person like (T)TY, who won a pair of championships despite a career of failure, or adventurer who braves the stormy sea to alight upon an undiscovered land, there are those whose dreams were barricaded off by mistakes, natural inadequacies and plum bad luck.

What would someone like (Z)Rogue, who reached a threshold but seemed unable to go any further, give? His is a long career in which he has seen the dreams of his peers frequently run aground. (Z)soO is still haunted by the Kong curse, just as (P)Dear and (Z)Solar were never able to escape their inconsistencies. (P)Zest is laden with the weight of impossible expectations while players like (P)MyuNgSiK, (P)Super and (Z)PenguiN were long since deemed not good enough. They were confined, forever doomed to repeat the same story ad nauseum. What they would give to be able to rise above, to recapture or even just once touch glory.

Those who watch our intrepid heroes struggle may feel kinship. Even if one's aspirations are modest by comparison, failure and struggle stubbornly accompany us throughout our lives. Setbacks prove crippling while disappointment is nothing if not crushing. Accomplishments often feel insignificant and are easily forgotten. We make progress only to inevitably stumble all over again. Most of us never get our fairy tale ending - our moment where we lift the trophy with a fervent crowd chanting our name. Many don’t even get to settle for minor victories. There are those who simply scrape by however they can, fighting a losing battle, what would they give to chase their dreams as Rogue has, even if his aspirations seemed doomed from the start.

Basking in the glow of Rogue's triumph, it's difficult to remember his humble beginnings. Rogue was not one of the KeSPA prodigies who shot out of the gate when Team 8 transitioned to StarCraft II. When he did make strides, his attempts to improve resembled a sputtering, oil-starved Hudson Super Six phaeton more than the streamlined fighter jet embodied by INnoVation or Rain. But as HotS evolved Rogue asserted himself, rising from relative anonymity to being acknowledged as a player everyone knew and even looked forward to watching.

May 9, 2014: It’s Rogue’s first Code S, but he only lasts two matches. Hydra’s zerglings stream into his base and his journey down the royal road is over before it could even begin.

March 6, 2015: Rogue has made the Round of 8 in GSL for the first time. Up 1-0, playing against (P)herO, his box art army consists of two queens, seven vipers, eleven swarm hosts, two ultralisks, twenty one corruptors, three mutalisks and eight zerglings. He goes on to lose the game and ultimately the series 3-2.

June 2, 2015: No one ever thought the redesigned swarm host would be used to snipe nexuses, but herO is learning first hand how lethal the unprecedented strategy can be as Rogue forces an ace match.

September 18, 2015: Rogue is facing off against (T)Maru in his fifth Starleague quarterfinal of the year. Universally expected to lose, he goes down without much of a fight, the most damning loss taking place on Terraform against mech, a composition Rogue was incredibly strong against.

September 19, 2015: Banelings rain down on herO’s army, crushing CJ Entus’ dreams while bringing Jin Air one step closer to their first Proleague finals.

November 7, 2015: Rogue plays teammate (P)sOs in the semifinals at BlizzCon. He hardly looks like he belongs, though, and is promptly ejected from the event by a 3-0 score.

We thought we had Rogue all figured out heading into Legacy of the Void. He had risen from KeSPA anonymity with a new name and a new lease on life, becoming a dreaded Proleague presence, while securing himself a position among the second tiers of professionals. Making the quarterfinals of so many Starleagues is impressive, but it was hard to compare such a minor achievement to (Z)ByuL’s three second places, let alone those who won the events. Rogue may have had his best year ever, but he was more of an afterthought than anything else and certainly not a title contender. When he finally broke through and reached the semifinals at BlizzCon, his run was marked with an asterisk. His 3-0 sweep of Maru in the Round of 16 was more the Terran's fault than anything else and his victory over (Z)Hydra in his strongest matchup was a foregone conclusion.

Flashes of brilliance and equally glaring exhibitions of nerves and shakiness. Rogue just didn’t have what it took to make a real impact in StarCraft II, especially on a team where Maru and sOs cast such a looming shadow. He would have to resign himself to being a bit player. If that wasn’t enough for him, he should just retire because his past was clear as day and the future promised more of the same.

If Rogue was Mr. Consistency in 2015, albeit the most underwhelming version, he was far from that in 2016. He was his accustomed imperious self in Proleague, but he failed to reach the Round of 8 even once over the course of four Starleagues, not even qualifying for the first SSL. A semifinals exit at HomeStory Cup to end the year offered pale consolation, while the disbandment of Proleague snatched away Rogue’s last bastion of excellence. A Round of 32 exit in the first GSL of 2017 further confirmed our suspicions that Rogue should get used to a life of qualifiers and early exits rather than daydreaming of kissing a trophy as pulchritudinous as Tzuyu.

Somewhere along the way, something changed. This isn’t a story of his close call to soO in the Round of 8 in Season 2 or the fact that he managed to make it back to that stage the following season. This is about how Rogue completely reinvented himself. To bring other factors into focus would distract from his achievements and the grand effort behind them. This is about one man who put his nose to the grindstone, wrestled his past into submission and did what we all we wish we could do, banish our demons and emerge from the struggle as something more than anyone, including ourselves, expected we could be.

Rogue qualified for IEM Shanghai and took the event by storm, only dropping four games on his way to the title. The Super Tournament was a sterner test, but Rogue beat three straight GSL champions before taking out rival turned whipping boy, herO in a second consecutive finals. Doing so bought him a berth at BlizzCon, the sort of last gasp heroics that had the ROOT Protoss painted as the villain trying to deny fate.

But he didn’t do all that by playing like his 2015 self. That Rogue was a trickster whose knowledge of the game was as vast as anyone’s, but his mechanics and ability to execute strategies was lacking. He wasn’t even a charlatan. To be dubbed that requires significant success and standing. He was more the court jester, wowing us from time to time while always limping off the stage to laughter instead of cheers. He was defined by shaky moments and his penchant for crumbling at the final hurdle. His macro failed him, his series planning evaporated and decision making went haywire. He relied on getting early leads through gimmicks and when he didn’t, the results were predictable. He could topple the most able mech player in Proleague, but it wasn’t doing him any good when personal glory was on the line. GomTV may have labeled sOs “the originator of mind games and strategic preparation”, but this was a diadem far more fitting for Rogue. He always had a plan and very well may have been the smartest person in the room, but, more often than not, it didn’t come together. His ingenuity was all he had to rely on and, when it proved insufficient, he crumbled.

The modern Rogue was born of resiliency and tenacity. These traits honed him into a peerless weapon that made the most difficult obstacle trivial. His play was as complete as any to have played the game. He could win with early aggression, technical timings, overpowering macro in the mid-game or with a methodical late game that made Dark’s look like an outdated model. His veins pumped ice water and his mentality never cracked. He was the hottest player in the world heading into BlizzCon because he was as close to immaculate as a person can get. He had surpassed his rivals, outdone his teammates and become the player we never knew he was meant to be. He was the central figure in a tale of perseverance, self improvement and triumph. Everyone should have realized what was coming next.

With soO slipping into the shadows, Rogue stood center stage, the WCS trophy in his grip. People clamored to get closer as shouts and music filled the air. Confetti streamed down, flickering in aquamarine light and the sapphire and ruby glow of the stage. It was the perfect scene for the man who had become flawless. Undeterred by years of failure, he had made his dreams a reality, something we all strive to do. He stumbled against Neeb, but refused to fall. He gathered himself for a final charge and made sure none could stand in his way.

Rogue is Jin Air’s newest world champion. He is worthy of this distinction in every sense of the word. He is Stats’ consistency, soO’s determination and INnoVation’s dominance combined to form the ultimate StarCraft II player. We have no way of knowing whether or not his victories will continue to pile up. It’s yet to be seen if he is one day considered the GOAT or if this was a flash in the pan and he slips back into the rank and file. Rogue escaped his past and formed a present all his own. What comes next isn’t important. What’s now is perfect.




Credits:
Writers: Mizenhauer.
Editors: CosmicSpiral, Olli.
Graphics: hexhaven.
Stats: Aligulac

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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13970 Posts
November 07 2017 17:05 GMT
#2
Rogue did what Dear couldn't...now we get to see what would have happened if Jaedong never researched burrow....
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 07 2017 17:08 GMT
#3
Good title. Rogue is also imbalanced in ZvP and ZvT after all.
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
November 07 2017 17:08 GMT
#4
I honestly can't wait to see him play again.
ukiya2004
Profile Joined March 2014
199 Posts
November 07 2017 17:09 GMT
#5
all hail the new king of zerg!
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
November 07 2017 17:19 GMT
#6
Mizenhauer, best writer.
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leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
November 07 2017 17:20 GMT
#7
Nice write up. Looking forward how he adepts to the new patch and if he can make it work in the longer star leagues.
nabresrotciv
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom32 Posts
November 07 2017 17:24 GMT
#8
Great read!


Actually, I think the best article on sc2 i've ever read. Thank you!
gg
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
November 07 2017 17:26 GMT
#9
On November 08 2017 02:20 leublix wrote:
Nice write up. Looking forward how he adepts to the new patch and if he can make it work in the longer star leagues.


I think he will be fine, i'd say a lot of the changes suit his style maybe vs Terran gets more difficult with slower swarmhosts and super fast transforming mech but I don't think he will struggle.
Perfi2_0
Profile Joined July 2015
Poland40 Posts
November 07 2017 17:27 GMT
#10
I really liked the article.
Imbalance is an opinion.
Vendethiel
Profile Joined February 2017
213 Posts
November 07 2017 17:31 GMT
#11
Great writeup.

September 19, 2015: Banelings rain down on herO’s army, crushing CJ Entus’ dreams while bringing Jin Air one step closer to their first Proleague finals.
That was one of the first matches I watched, when I started getting into SC2. It was so awesome.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 07 2017 17:35 GMT
#12
Great article mizen!

Couldn't really be happy for Rogue sunday but he definitely deserves this title. I wonder what the future holds for him, he was always one of my favorite players and having another strong title contender zerg is exciting.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4903 Posts
November 07 2017 17:50 GMT
#13
Rogue DA CHAMP
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
November 07 2017 18:44 GMT
#14
Jin Air not denied.
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Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
November 07 2017 19:40 GMT
#15
Not convinced by Rogue. Will see this season.
DGilbert
Profile Joined November 2017
3 Posts
November 07 2017 19:49 GMT
#16
He is Stats’ consistency, soO’s determination and INnoVation’s dominance combined to form the ultimate StarCraft II player.


Not even close. Even soO is more the ultimate SC2 player than Rogue will ever be. soO is the most dominant player SC2 has ever seen despite never having won a GSL or WCS Championship. Rogue is nowhere near a flash in the pan, but he more resembles sOs with a couple good years and a bunch of nothing else.
djraphi23
Profile Joined August 2013
France2262 Posts
November 07 2017 19:57 GMT
#17
On November 08 2017 04:40 Psychobabas wrote:
Not convinced by Rogue. Will see this season.


I don't know what else you need from him. To me that was the most impressive run in Blizzcon. And his run in IEM/GSL Super Tournament, it can't get any better !
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
November 07 2017 20:19 GMT
#18
Great writeup! I think you did a great job defining Rogue's story so far, which is definitely a weird one.
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Alarak'smanservant
Profile Joined May 2017
35 Posts
November 07 2017 20:25 GMT
#19
Didn't think I'd get to learn a new word while reading this Great article as always Mizenhauer
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
November 07 2017 21:01 GMT
#20
Tbh his GSL ST run was way more impressive, we could already see that he's got THE class.

Still sad for soO but his run show how of a joke the blizzcon truly is. He got to the final by stomping (7-1 in games) 3 foreigners and beating Gumiho... you can't do that in GSL ST, nor in GSL or SSL.

good article
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Matroid_Prime
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada59 Posts
November 07 2017 21:43 GMT
#21
This article is a hyperbole. Rogue has had moments of greatness in the past, he has been considered a great Zerg since at least 2015. No one was laughing him off the stage when he would get knocked out of tourneys, it's not like he had play that was laughable. Another statement from your article is that 'Rogue's play was not as complete as any who has played the game', then you go on to state he lost to Neeb in the ro16... Much more dominant play has been seen in the past. Also $o$ has his name for a reason, in no world does anyone consider Rogue more complete with the 'originator of mind games and strategic preparation' than sOs.
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daskleinehotte
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 22:04:58
November 07 2017 22:04 GMT
#22
super good read, I thoroughly enjoyed it!

/edit: and Rogue is a beast anyway.
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2517 Posts
November 07 2017 22:16 GMT
#23
On November 08 2017 04:57 djraphi23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 04:40 Psychobabas wrote:
Not convinced by Rogue. Will see this season.


I don't know what else you need from him. To me that was the most impressive run in Blizzcon. And his run in IEM/GSL Super Tournament, it can't get any better !


He's right though, Rogue is at a point where multiple other players have been before (Byun for example). He was succesfull in the last couple of months but will he remain one of the greatest? Like soO and Innovation , or will he fall in the next months just like Byun did after winning Blizzcon?

kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary467 Posts
November 07 2017 23:17 GMT
#24
Im really unhappy Rogue won, and not soO. But come on guys, give him a break. Its just 2 days he won blizzcon and his accomplishments are already questioned? That's just dumb and unfair. Give him time..
Why so serious?
verecunda
Profile Joined July 2015
Korea (South)121 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 23:24:10
November 07 2017 23:19 GMT
#25
Great article. I couldn't feel happy for Rogue at first, but reading this reminds me how compelling Rogue's story was this year.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
November 07 2017 23:27 GMT
#26
I'm excited to see him in GSL next year would be cool to see him win that and keep up his form.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
November 08 2017 00:32 GMT
#27
On November 08 2017 07:16 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 04:57 djraphi23 wrote:
On November 08 2017 04:40 Psychobabas wrote:
Not convinced by Rogue. Will see this season.


I don't know what else you need from him. To me that was the most impressive run in Blizzcon. And his run in IEM/GSL Super Tournament, it can't get any better !

He's right though, Rogue is at a point where multiple other players have been before (Byun for example). He was succesfull in the last couple of months but will he remain one of the greatest? Like soO and Innovation , or will he fall in the next months just like Byun did after winning Blizzcon?

ByuN was a product of a broken unit and a map pool which supported his play style. He was always going to take a step back in performance after the reaper nerf and a change in map pools.

Rogue won using the breadth of his race's tools and is not likely to be devastated by any single change. If Rogue continues to bring the same level of preparation that he did in 2017 to 2018, he's unlikely to take a major step back relative to other Zerg players.
rrrzzz
Profile Joined February 2016
48 Posts
November 08 2017 02:46 GMT
#28
Good read! Although I am too sad that if Innovation hadn't lost to TY, he would definitely beat Rogue in the final!
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 08 2017 02:58 GMT
#29
Sorry, maybe it's just me but I really struggle with these wall of texts. Can't we use some sub headings please? Also like the soO "sisyphus" article, I was looking for more of that Greek sauce somewhere in the article since you already slapped it on the title.
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Asunanas
Profile Joined April 2011
53 Posts
November 08 2017 05:31 GMT
#30
Thanks for the write up! Rogue had a pretty insane season this year and he really bloomed into a deserving world champion.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
November 08 2017 06:48 GMT
#31
Damn, he got paid. Happy for him.
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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
November 08 2017 08:04 GMT
#32
Rogue changed so much. I hated him in HotS era because of his quick gold hatches and early cheesy games, but now he really plays like an ultimate and experienced zerg. He really deserved the Blizzcon title. When you are ready to play late macro games that means that you are ready for the big spot in eSports. I can't agree about the consistency for Rogue. Not yet. Stats and Innovation were most consistent this year. while Rogue quickly come to the top of the tournaments from the summer with IEM. Consistency mostly belongs to FLASH most of all !
I have to admit that the final against Innovation in the GSL Super Tournament was the highest level of progaming for a long long time and Rogue was in the center of that. Much respect. I am telling this because Blizzcon is not an ultimate scale rather still remains the most epic and commersial tournament for the year. Let's not forget that TY lost /again/ from himself just like always does.
So what I am trying to say is that Rogue's hall of fame is about to begin and Code S as an ultimate challenge is waiting for him. This is good for sport because there are not so many top zergs for the last few years. It is good for the balance. For this reason I am not that hyped for Rogue yet, but only curious. After observing eSports SC for a decade I have seen many stars who came on top and easily were forgotten later. You can play like the best player today, but tomorrow you can't regocnize yourself because you haven't trained enough.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
November 08 2017 10:09 GMT
#33
Rogue is going over his WCS games on his stream now and explaining stuff. in korean.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
Someone record and translate it!
https://go.twitch.tv/roguejinair
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 11:00:25
November 08 2017 10:52 GMT
#34
Rogue vs INno right now, both are streaming :p
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 08 2017 11:01 GMT
#35
Rogue is like the super zerg. He techs too fast and macros too perfectly. He uses the full array of zerg savagery to its full potential.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
November 08 2017 12:03 GMT
#36
On November 08 2017 06:01 Mun_Su wrote:
Still sad for soO but his run show how of a joke the blizzcon truly is. He got to the final by stomping (7-1 in games) 3 foreigners and beating Gumiho... you can't do that in GSL ST, nor in GSL or SSL.

He stomped foreigners that got there by beating other Koreans. Everytime before the match people were talking about how the foreigner can win, how Neeb is favoured after beating Rogue, etc. But after soO crushed them suddenly they were just bad foreigners that got there through Blizzard rigging.
He also got a good bracket by coming out first out of the strongest RO16 group with both finalists and the strongest foreigner btw.
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary467 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 12:25:43
November 08 2017 12:24 GMT
#37
On November 08 2017 21:03 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 06:01 Mun_Su wrote:

Still sad for soO but his run show how of a joke the blizzcon truly is. He got to the final by stomping (7-1 in games) 3 foreigners and beating Gumiho... you can't do that in GSL ST, nor in GSL or SSL.



He stomped foreigners that got there by beating other Koreans. Everytime before the match people were talking about how the foreigner can win, how Neeb is favoured after beating Rogue, etc. But after soO crushed them suddenly they were just bad foreigners that got there through Blizzard rigging.
He also got a good bracket by coming out first out of the strongest RO16 group with both finalists and the strongest foreigner btw.


It's really sad how people blame soO for the bracket. Its absolutely not his fault that TY lost vs. Special, that Dark lost vs. Elazer and Rogue lost vs. Neeb and Stats lost to Special and got eliminated.
Why so serious?
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
November 08 2017 12:46 GMT
#38
On November 08 2017 02:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
Rogue did what Dear couldn't...now we get to see what would have happened if Jaedong never researched burrow....

LOLLLLLL oh man
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 08 2017 12:53 GMT
#39
On November 08 2017 05:25 Alarak'smanservant wrote:
Didn't think I'd get to learn a new word while reading this Great article as always Mizenhauer

You should read the chiaroscuro article!
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
sweffymo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States62 Posts
November 08 2017 13:24 GMT
#40
Rogue has been my favorite Zerg since I first saw him play in ProLeague because he always has had a unique style and is smart enough to be able to pull it off even if it's considered "sub-optimal" by others. I don't know what his secret is that made him a macro monster and helped him get over his occasional shakiness, but whatever it is I hope he is able to keep it up!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 08 2017 17:07 GMT
#41
that map wasnt even played in the final
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Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation142 Posts
November 08 2017 17:42 GMT
#42
Nah
I am just happy)
Strange that there was nothing about being an absolute ZvZ champion in proleague in 2016
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
November 08 2017 18:52 GMT
#43
A little over the top. Rogue has had a lot of ups and downs, but it's hardly worth a dedication like this.

Good win, overall a pretty good BlizzCon.
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yOngKIN
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Korea (North)656 Posts
November 09 2017 00:36 GMT
#44
Nice. Will there be an actual finals recap article or this is it?
Phredxor
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New Zealand15076 Posts
November 09 2017 01:47 GMT
#45
On November 09 2017 09:36 yOngKIN wrote:
Nice. Will there be an actual finals recap article or this is it?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/528403-rogue-wins-the-grand-finals-at-blizzcon-soo-takes-second-again
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