• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:12
CEST 15:12
KST 22:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025)14Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure6Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho4Code S RO8 Preview: ByuN, Rogue, herO, Cure5[ASL19] Ro4 Preview: Storied Rivals7
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results212025 GSL Season 2 (Qualifiers)14Code S Season 1 - Classic & GuMiho advance to RO4 (2025)4[BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET7
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank: October 2018 herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025) Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho Replay Cast
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S Season 1 - RO4 and Grand Finals WardiTV Mondays RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series DreamHack Dallas 2025 announced (May 23-25) PIG STY FESTIVAL 6.0! (28 Apr - 4 May)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed
Brood War
General
ASL 19 Tickets for foreigners BW General Discussion who is JiriKara /Cipisek/ from CZ Where is effort ? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL19] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
What do you want from future RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Grand Theft Auto VI Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Narcissists In Gaming: Why T…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9564 users

Neeb: The Fabled Ascendence - Rank 8 - Road to BlizzCon

Forum Index > SC2 General
94 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal

Neeb: The Fabled Ascendence - Rank 8 - Road to BlizzCon

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byshiroiusagi
October 18th, 2017 14:07 GMT
Photo Credit: DreamHack
Neeb
Alex Sunderhaft
Ting


The Fabled Ascendance


by Soularion


In the wake of Polt and Hydra's departure, we were left with two outcomes for the WCS scene. It could either devolve into chaos, with multiple players winning events and ceaseless turmoil, or reshape around a central force; a player undoubtedly good enough to rise to the mantle of Polt and Hydra's reign—perhaps even good enough to surpass their success. Certain players seemed more likely to fit the mold than others. ShoWTimE, being the only foreigner to win a WCS event and having beat ByuN at BlizzCon, was the leading candidate; but where is he now? Nerchio was a candidate as well, having the most consistency of all foreigners the year prior and flaunting an utterly incredible winrate. He even made the finals of WCS Austin, and all looked prepared for a coronation - but he lost, in an admittedly close set against Neeb.

"The ability to become great at a moment's notice colored Neeb's entire year."
Neeb's 2017 might seem easy to predict; after all, he was by far the best foreigner coming into Blizzcon last year, and he even took home a trophy at KeSPA Cup, which is probably worth more than any individual WCS victory. But 2017 has been by no means an easy road for him. He disappointed hard at Katowice, racking up a 1-8 record against Korean opposition (his sole win against jjakji) and made it out of groups at WCS Austin by the skin of his teeth. If he had lost to TLO then, all of this might never have happened. The crown of Austin would've gone to SpeCial (then MajOr), or ShoWTimE, or Nerchio—someone else with a stronger claim. But TLO didn't win. Neither did ShoWTimE, in their five-game set, or SpeCial, who saw himself up 2-1 on the verge of his first ever finals. Even the finals against Nerchio started off with Neeb facing a defecit before he rattled off three wins in a row.

That ability to become great at a moment's notice colored Neeb's entire year. He has, for the entire of Legacy of the Void, had the ability to shine regardless of whether things look dim or not. Look back to his breakout, beating Polt in a 5-game series to qualify for WCS Winter. There was no calm before the storm, nor was there a reign of tyranny after. He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin, and then so many more times throughout that year until he finally peaked to win KeSPA Cup. This ethereal nature followed Neeb to Jönköping, where he once more narrowly avoided early elimination to TLO and then...won. It didn't matter that he had lost to PtitDrogo and nearly to TLO in the group stage. He dominated SortOf and Kelazhur, broke MajOr's heart again, and eliminated the golden child Serral in the finals. Two in a row. From the chaos and sweat and blood of WCS came order, from the very source of disorder who had so thoroughly ruptured everything the year prior. Neeb had reigned.



Winrate


67.48% vs. Terran
74.16% vs. Protoss
73.47% vs. Zerg

Rank


Circuit Standings
1

WCS Points


10350



Then, like the wind, he was gone; the dominant, soul-crushing Neeb was hardly present at WCS Valencia, nor was it present at the GSL Qualifiers which saw him lose multiple times to Hurricane, nor was it truly present at GSL vs the World; he was still an elite player, but he wasn't the king. His kingdom had once more fallen into chaos, with Elazer and Snute sparring while others such as SpeCial and Serral hung at their heels. But none of that mattered. Neeb as a player is not disturbed by the environment, or by the stakes, or seemingly by anything at all; he does not dream of championships, nor does he strive to be the greatest. His unrelentingly cold veins are born from a ruthless desire, not to win, but to avoid loss. As long as he wins, as long as he can keep the bitter taste of defeat away from his lips for another collection of moments, all is right in his world.

So in hindsight, it wasn't particularly surprising to see Neeb return at top form during Dreamhack Montreal; but what was surprising was the sheer dominance in which he did it. He seemed like a parent returning home to his unruly kids, setting them in order, reminding them of the one universal truth: Neeb is the greatest foreigner in the scene currently. It was one of the most dominant runs we've ever seen from a foreigner, in fact, the type of domestic tyranny greats such as NaNiwa or Stephano never quite clutched, for all of their trophies and success against Korea. There was not a moment, not even a milisecond, during the entire tournament where Neeb's tournament life was on the line, where it felt legitimately unsure of whether he was going to win the next series or not. It was all so certain. Like watching a prophecy unfold. Yet, did any of it truly matter? What is a WCS trophy to someone who has ascended beyond it? What is domestic success if it doesn't lead to international greatness? What is a win, if not for an evasion of defeat- why would a win matter if the defeat following tastes so much worse?

Last year, Neeb never had this. He never had domestic success, let alone dominance. He seemed to be destined to be a player such as Snute, forever looking from the outside among his peers, and yet always so much greater when it came to play against Korea. But that is no longer the case for Neeb. West of Korea, he no longer has any peers; players such as Serral, and Nerchio, and ShoWTimE, and Elazer, and plenty more, might be great. They might play phenomenal games. They might take sets off of Neeb. But Neeb's career is no longer going to be determined by how he plays against the ShoWTimEs of the world. It's going to be defined by what happens at Anaheim, and all the Global Finals to come, where Neeb acts as the sword in the darkness; the bastion of hope for a foreign scene which has lacked a champion to rally around ever since the retirement of NaNiwa. It may not be his desire. It may not be what he dreamed of. It may not be what he expected when he first changed races to Protoss, so many moons ago.

But it is his destiny.








Writer: Soularion
Editor: Olli, munch
Photo Credit: DreamHack, Shayla
Statistics: Aligulac
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Toudeleski
Profile Joined August 2011
United States66 Posts
October 18 2017 14:11 GMT
#2
Didn't read but disagree with everything.

User was temp banned for this post.
glhf
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 18 2017 14:13 GMT
#3
On October 18 2017 23:11 Toudeleski wrote:
Didn't read but disagree with everything.


Thanks for your invaluable contribution.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24579 Posts
October 18 2017 14:22 GMT
#4
On October 18 2017 23:13 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 23:11 Toudeleski wrote:
Didn't read but disagree with everything.


Thanks for your invaluable contribution.


hey, at least he's open about it!
beepbeeeeeeep
Profile Joined February 2017
145 Posts
October 18 2017 14:22 GMT
#5
On October 18 2017 23:11 Toudeleski wrote:
Didn't read but disagree with everything.


So you disagree that Neeb went 1-8 against Koreans at Katowice?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24579 Posts
October 18 2017 14:26 GMT
#6
On October 18 2017 23:22 beepbeeeeeeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 23:11 Toudeleski wrote:
Didn't read but disagree with everything.


So you disagree that Neeb went 1-8 against Koreans at Katowice?


That's just what the liberal Starcraftati want you to believe!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
October 18 2017 14:26 GMT
#7
Interesting...thought you would have him above ty and maybe herO/soO
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
bulya
Profile Joined February 2016
Israel386 Posts
October 18 2017 14:33 GMT
#8
Aboe soO I'd say yes. Above herO absolutely no.
Above TY? May be due to TY's recent form. Although Neeb almost won TY in GSL vs the world (3-2 series there), so can definitely be, but only just because TY didn't do that well recently.

I still predict 2 foreigners in the RO8, and Neeb will probably one of them. So according to this power rank if he makes it he'll be a dark horse.
Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
October 18 2017 14:36 GMT
#9
Obvious Liquid bias not making neeb place one

Anyways good read and I actually agree with the ranking overall
I am a slave of Golden from now on. Obey a supreme leader of StarCraft 2 or you get banned. I am really glad to be citizen of Democratic republic of Golden.
Synchrx
Profile Joined September 2017
United Kingdom29 Posts
October 18 2017 14:41 GMT
#10
Will be interesting to see how he fairs, if he made it to the finals that really would be an incredible story. As much as I do wish I could like Neeb I just wish he had a little more personality, that's part of the reason the foreign scene flocked behind Stephano and Naniwa so much, they had the confidence and cockiness we all love to see. Either way he is a brilliant and dominant player and I'm really looking forward to seeing his matches and how he fairs up.
This, indeed, is the secret of the thing. This is why the demon of impermanence is beneficent. Because it is forgetting about things that renews their wonder.
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
October 18 2017 14:43 GMT
#11
would love to see neeb win but i don't see him beating innovation. if someone else can take out inno, i could see him winning.
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 18 2017 14:45 GMT
#12
On October 18 2017 23:41 Synchronize` wrote:
Will be interesting to see how he fairs, if he made it to the finals that really would be an incredible story. As much as I do wish I could like Neeb I just wish he had a little more personality, that's part of the reason the foreign scene flocked behind Stephano and Naniwa so much, they had the confidence and cockiness we all love to see. Either way he is a brilliant and dominant player and I'm really looking forward to seeing his matches and how he fairs up.


That and the fact that they confronted offline the best Koreans on a regular basis. Neeb on an another hand...


Good reads anyway !
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
October 18 2017 14:59 GMT
#13
Neeb champ.
Die Trying
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24579 Posts
October 18 2017 15:02 GMT
#14
Obviously Neeb is #1 but the Korean fanboys of TL writers can't admit it
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 18 2017 15:02 GMT
#15
I think Neeb and Serral will reach the ro8 blizzcon at least.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Vendethiel
Profile Joined February 2017
213 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 15:06:15
October 18 2017 15:05 GMT
#16
racking up a 1-8 record against Korean opposition (his sole win against jjakji)
still ranked higher than gumiho who won a GSL tho.

hey he did beat sOs at least
Maru <3
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 18 2017 15:11 GMT
#17
It's his destiny to get owned by soO and Rogue and have the American Protoss players blame it on hydra/bane.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
October 18 2017 15:17 GMT
#18
On October 18 2017 23:41 Synchronize` wrote:
Will be interesting to see how he fairs, if he made it to the finals that really would be an incredible story. As much as I do wish I could like Neeb I just wish he had a little more personality, that's part of the reason the foreign scene flocked behind Stephano and Naniwa so much, they had the confidence and cockiness we all love to see. Either way he is a brilliant and dominant player and I'm really looking forward to seeing his matches and how he fairs up.

I don't love to see cockiness and much prefer Neeb to Stephano and Naniwa.
Vendethiel
Profile Joined February 2017
213 Posts
October 18 2017 15:22 GMT
#19
On October 19 2017 00:17 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 23:41 Synchronize` wrote:
Will be interesting to see how he fairs, if he made it to the finals that really would be an incredible story. As much as I do wish I could like Neeb I just wish he had a little more personality, that's part of the reason the foreign scene flocked behind Stephano and Naniwa so much, they had the confidence and cockiness we all love to see. Either way he is a brilliant and dominant player and I'm really looking forward to seeing his matches and how he fairs up.

I don't love to see cockiness and much prefer Neeb to Stephano and Naniwa.

Stephano wasn't cocky, just french.
Maru <3
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
October 18 2017 15:30 GMT
#20
I don't know if I agree with the "wind" part in GSL vs. the World. Perhaps Neeb didn't play to his full potential against TY and herO, but did people expect him to win against TY?

Anyhow, it's was a great read. I like the fact that it did touch on Neeb's dominance over and above what Naniwa or Stephano ever achieved in the foreign scene. But I guess it is a big question mark as to how he will do at Blizzcon.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
October 18 2017 15:40 GMT
#21
I mean, it's hard to disagree with this placing. The only question is should neeb be higher than gumiho? the last 7 who have yet to be placed are all contestants of GSL finals all year, the cream of the crop. I believe neeb could beat any of them in a bo5 series, but i don't say that confidently either. anyways, good job olli~
어윤수|이신형|이재동|이승형
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 15:42:56
October 18 2017 15:41 GMT
#22
On October 19 2017 00:30 FrkFrJss wrote:
I don't know if I agree with the "wind" part in GSL vs. the World. Perhaps Neeb didn't play to his full potential against TY and herO, but did people expect him to win against TY?


Neeb taking 2 maps of TY is seriously impressive. Considering he lost 0-3 at WeSG. If anything it's a showing that he's up there with the best (even if TY didn't have the best results in that tournament overall)
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
React42
Profile Joined August 2017
United States12 Posts
October 18 2017 15:45 GMT
#23
On one hand he is the only real foreigner hope so I kiind of want to see Neeb advance, but there is no way he beats Rogue and I'd rather have soO advance so he can rack up another silver medal.
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
October 18 2017 15:54 GMT
#24
Aligulac rank 1 player beign ranked 8, what a joke.
Jasper_Ty
Profile Joined July 2017
101 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 15:56:31
October 18 2017 15:55 GMT
#25
Somewhere deep in my heart, I want to see Neeb destroy Rogue the same way he did at KeSPA Cup, but alas, the chances now seem even slimmer than they were then D:
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 18 2017 16:10 GMT
#26
Great article, i think its pretty obvious now that 7-5 are TY, soO and herO(in whatever order) and 1-2 is Inno and Stats.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 18 2017 16:20 GMT
#27
On October 19 2017 00:11 Ej_ wrote:
It's his destiny to get owned by soO and Rogue and have the American Protoss players blame it on hydra/bane.

Inb4 Neeb tries mass Oracles, Rogue dismantles him, and the forum Protoss whining about imba Zerg.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
the_techsan
Profile Joined May 2016
United States16 Posts
October 18 2017 16:28 GMT
#28
I agree with other's sentiments that Neeb appears to lack personality often... However, at the same time, I view this a sort of a positive too, he really does stay so cool under pressure. Not like he used to be. We don't fault so many Koreans like TY or Innovation for presenting such stoic images, why fault Neeb? I'd like to think Neeb just has a hard time transitioning from game-face to chill-face, but who knows.

As for the rankings, I would've placed him ahead of Rouge and SoO before Gumiho really. Well, I guess what I really mean is that Neeb has a far better shot of beating SoO or Rouge. Great PvZer and Gumiho has beat up on Neeb recently. HerO is a toss up for me, no issue with HerO being ahead. Obviously Innovation and Dark should be ahead of Neeb. That leaves Stats? He's had a phenomenal year, the number 1 KR in points should always (at least for now) be ahead of the number 1 in points for the foreign scene. Though Stats and Neeb always play very close matches.

I predict a quite easy run for Neeb in group stages. He only has to prepare for a single matchup (Z), and that is by far his best matchup... We shall see. I'll go ahead and leave my way too early prediction of a Neeb vs Dark final that goes to seven games.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 16:34:52
October 18 2017 16:34 GMT
#29
I don't see how you could place Neeb above Rogue at the moment. Perhaps nobody to rank above Rogue at all?

+ Show Spoiler +
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
October 18 2017 16:35 GMT
#30
On October 19 2017 00:22 Vendethiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 00:17 DBooN wrote:
On October 18 2017 23:41 Synchronize` wrote:
Will be interesting to see how he fairs, if he made it to the finals that really would be an incredible story. As much as I do wish I could like Neeb I just wish he had a little more personality, that's part of the reason the foreign scene flocked behind Stephano and Naniwa so much, they had the confidence and cockiness we all love to see. Either way he is a brilliant and dominant player and I'm really looking forward to seeing his matches and how he fairs up.

I don't love to see cockiness and much prefer Neeb to Stephano and Naniwa.

Stephano wasn't cocky, just french.


Very funny.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
CBAS2TheHumanLife
Profile Joined July 2017
Korea (South)29 Posts
October 18 2017 17:00 GMT
#31
Aligulac rank 1 player beign ranked 8, what a joke.


It's absolutely meaningless as they count minor online and GSL as same.

It's just sad that still foreigners only cheer and hype their players instead of being all together with Korean players.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 18 2017 17:03 GMT
#32
Everyone is underrating neeb.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
October 18 2017 18:01 GMT
#33
Everyone is overrating Neeb
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 18 2017 18:04 GMT
#34
This Everyone guy really needs to make up his mind. What a flip-flopper.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 18:19:56
October 18 2017 18:19 GMT
#35
Neeb got #2 last year in the rankings,
yet in a far more dominant year he doesn;t even land top 5????
this is bs
+ Show Spoiler +
just kidding ranking him #2 last year was the real joke, I love his playstyle but still
Faker is the GOAT!
siskel
Profile Joined September 2016
4 Posts
October 18 2017 18:31 GMT
#36
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.

No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
October 18 2017 19:04 GMT
#37
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...

Comments like this make me hope foreigners get brutally rekt at blizzcon.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 18 2017 19:05 GMT
#38
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.

No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...


Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc.

I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups.

siskel
Profile Joined September 2016
4 Posts
October 18 2017 19:10 GMT
#39
On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.

No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...


Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc.

I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups.



I'm not sure if i see him winning but i'm pretty sure he'll do a lot better than what we think...
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 18 2017 19:13 GMT
#40
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong.
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 23:54:47
October 18 2017 19:18 GMT
#41
On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.

No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...


Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc.

I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups.



If you curate the bracket just right, I could totally see him win. Just make sure he faces Stats and herO + the worse ZvP of either Rogue or soO after the group stage, and he could definitely win that.

As long as Neeb a). Gets out of his bracket and b). Gets no Terrans at all, then he has a great chance of winning.

If he gets out of his group, Neeb beat a Korean Zerg, he can beat Stats/herO, and he just has to face not Dark in order to win. :D

Edit: oooh 600!
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 18 2017 19:28 GMT
#42
On October 19 2017 04:13 fishjie wrote:
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong.


Gumiho isn't close to GSL champion level either right now.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
October 18 2017 19:31 GMT
#43
Everyone's shitting on hero but he's had ridiculously good results lately. He won Master's Colisseum 2 (beating players like Inno, Rogue, Dear and Soo) and he won his Ting group beating alive and Stats. While no, those are not offline major events, but the dude is playing really well right now. I don't know understand the criticism honestly.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 18 2017 19:38 GMT
#44
On October 19 2017 04:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 04:13 fishjie wrote:
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong.


Gumiho isn't close to GSL champion level either right now.


Gumiho is just as good now as when he won GSL. The difference is that he had perfect bracket luck back then, which is unlikely to be repeatable
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 19:45:25
October 18 2017 19:45 GMT
#45
On October 19 2017 04:38 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 04:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 19 2017 04:13 fishjie wrote:
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong.


Gumiho isn't close to GSL champion level either right now.


Gumiho is just as good now as when he won GSL. The difference is that he had perfect bracket luck back then, which is unlikely to be repeatable


His bracket wasn't particularly hard, but he's definitely fallen off since then, most notably in TvZ where his mech style just doesn't work as well anymore.
Yo_Man
Profile Joined May 2017
43 Posts
October 18 2017 19:48 GMT
#46
The best of his zone for three straight championships, still ranked 8

I don't disagree, but it certainly explains why only koreans would want more cross regions matches if true.

rank as overall skill with full preparation GSL conditions, yes, the kor rank is better, and the GSL matches are awesome

But, there are no similar competition conditions for EU/US.
Hence no measurable/meaningful comparison possible if you use GSL conditions.

Anyway preparation time in GSL is what makes it great, blizzcon is different, neeb did it before in similar conditions in korea just last year.
Although Koreans crush overall in shoutcraft kings, we've seen they can be surprised by players that are not even close to being in this ranking.

So serral or neeb can still make a good run in LAN conditions against the best, despite this rank imho (in my hopeful opinion)

and this ranking where everyone agrees GSL competition is the scale but mixes ppl who compete in it with ppl that don't is kind of meaningless
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33230 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 21:14:15
October 18 2017 21:14 GMT
#47
On October 18 2017 23:13 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 23:11 Toudeleski wrote:
Didn't read but disagree with everything.


Thanks for your invaluable contribution.


It made me laugh; pretty valuable contribution I agree
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 18 2017 21:29 GMT
#48
On October 19 2017 04:04 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...

Comments like this make me hope foreigners get brutally rekt at blizzcon.


This.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
October 18 2017 21:52 GMT
#49
NEEEEB!

That's all I have to say, really. Nice picture, Shayla! :D
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil259 Posts
October 18 2017 21:54 GMT
#50
Such a cool personality Naniwa had...like when he exited IEM World Champ against Polt cus of crowd cheer
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 18 2017 21:58 GMT
#51
On October 19 2017 06:54 Locutos wrote:
Such a cool personality Naniwa had...like when he exited IEM World Champ against Polt cus of crowd cheer


That was honestly peak entertainment
AdministratorBreak the chains
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 18 2017 22:13 GMT
#52
should be #1
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
breaker1328
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada295 Posts
October 18 2017 22:16 GMT
#53
On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.

No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...


Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc.

I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups.



I bolded the problem with starcraft 2 fans here. If he wins a few matches or maybe even makes a deep run the excuse will be that he had favourable match ups but if he loses in the group stages it will be because he's a foreigner and he'll never be able to beat Koreans, even though this is demonstrably false.

I get that the Korean players are generally the best players in the game since always but I've never understood why the thought that a foreigner might be able to win one of these huge tournaments seems to leave such a bad taste in so many mouths. Like, look at the comments about how easy neeb had it at KeSPA Cup. It's ridiculous.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 18 2017 22:51 GMT
#54
On October 19 2017 07:16 breaker1328 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.

No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...


Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc.

I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups.



I bolded the problem with starcraft 2 fans here. If he wins a few matches or maybe even makes a deep run the excuse will be that he had favourable match ups but if he loses in the group stages it will be because he's a foreigner and he'll never be able to beat Koreans, even though this is demonstrably false.

I get that the Korean players are generally the best players in the game since always but I've never understood why the thought that a foreigner might be able to win one of these huge tournaments seems to leave such a bad taste in so many mouths. Like, look at the comments about how easy neeb had it at KeSPA Cup. It's ridiculous.


Except I lauded him for his Kespa cup victory and rate him up there with the top Koreans. The fact that I don't expect him to win is not about him being foreign at all. I think most players need some form of luck to take the tournament. Gumiho played a lot of TvT to win the GSL, etc.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 22:58:43
October 18 2017 22:56 GMT
#55
On October 19 2017 07:16 breaker1328 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.

No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...


Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc.

I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups.



I bolded the problem with starcraft 2 fans here. If he wins a few matches or maybe even makes a deep run the excuse will be that he had favourable match ups but if he loses in the group stages it will be because he's a foreigner and he'll never be able to beat Koreans, even though this is demonstrably false.

I get that the Korean players are generally the best players in the game since always but I've never understood why the thought that a foreigner might be able to win one of these huge tournaments seems to leave such a bad taste in so many mouths. Like, look at the comments about how easy neeb had it at KeSPA Cup. It's ridiculous.


Not really. When a player consistantly performs at a certain level and then suddenly does better in one tournament while playing only their best matchup, you can make the excuse of bracket luck.

In the case of Neeb, making the bracket luck claim is justified. He went against players that didn't even know who he was, and won almost exclusively with PvP. Now if Neeb had maintained the same dominance he showed at kespa cup, no one could call bracket luck. The issue is he didn't. He got crushed at blizzcon, wesg, iem, and most recently gsl.

(worth noting that bracket luck is almost always a factor in who wins an event, just some more than others)

On October 19 2017 04:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 04:38 Fango wrote:
On October 19 2017 04:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 19 2017 04:13 fishjie wrote:
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong.


Gumiho isn't close to GSL champion level either right now.


Gumiho is just as good now as when he won GSL. The difference is that he had perfect bracket luck back then, which is unlikely to be repeatable


His bracket wasn't particularly hard, but he's definitely fallen off since then, most notably in TvZ where his mech style just doesn't work as well anymore.


His bracket in GSL was perfect. TvT was his best matchup and soO couldn't ZvT to save his life
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 18 2017 22:59 GMT
#56
Neeb is so difficult to rate because while he absolutely dominated the WCS Circuit, the WCS Circuit is weaker this year than it was last year with the loss of Polt and Showtime being a shadow of his former self.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 23:28:29
October 18 2017 23:26 GMT
#57
On October 19 2017 00:02 Fango wrote:
I think Neeb and Serral will reach the ro8 blizzcon at least.


Serral will have to get past Gumiho or beat True twice in ZvZ to do it (Vs Gumiho is far more likely). Neither he nor True stand a chance against Innovation who will probably end up as the number 1 ranked player going into the tournament. Gumiho's a wild card, if he shows up in the shape he was in for his Code S title run and somehow gets past Innovation in the group's winner's match then Serral and True don't have a chance. Their best chance is for Innovation to crush the group as is expected and then face an erratic Gumiho who they can wear down with standard play.

Neebs group is just generally tough but fortunately for him it only consists of one match up, but he needs to beat the two best Zergs in the whole tournament to advance (Dark is a solid 3rd best ok!)

That said, I think I like Neeb's chances the best of any of the foreigners in the tournament to make Ro8.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
October 18 2017 23:44 GMT
#58
On October 19 2017 04:04 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...

Comments like this make me hope foreigners get brutally rekt at blizzcon.


Need deserves higher rank than 8.

And you generally have negative forum comments, I doubt is has anything to do with the prior comment you quoted.
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
October 18 2017 23:47 GMT
#59
With Rogue’s current form, i dont the reason why he won’t rekt Neeb. To beat Rogue in PvZ, you just can’t play a straight game, but that’s Neeb strength, so... .
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States581 Posts
October 18 2017 23:58 GMT
#60
neeb is so hard to predict imo.

honestly he is so good sometimes, and then looks bad sometimes (vs scarlett recently) but still pulls out the wins, because there is that much of a skill gap. he has that superstar skill to him if only he puts out the play he has inside him. he could place anywhere at blizzcon imo and his ranking he is pretty accurate.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
October 19 2017 00:31 GMT
#61
IT will be very interesting to see how Neeb performs. Great write up !
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
October 19 2017 00:36 GMT
#62
Damn this is some next level hype!
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
PuddleZerg
Profile Joined August 2015
United States82 Posts
October 19 2017 01:00 GMT
#63
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.

"Weapons grade autism" - Destiny
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-19 01:26:41
October 19 2017 01:25 GMT
#64
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 19 2017 01:33 GMT
#65
On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.

I'd say or a Polish Zerg but the last time Neeb lost to Nerchio was 05/15/2016.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 19 2017 01:49 GMT
#66
On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.

The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 19 2017 01:55 GMT
#67
On October 19 2017 10:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.

The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue.

The most suitable outcome is for both Rogue and soO to beat mass oracles/skytoss and then mention in the winner interviews how they watched a recent series involving Neeb and a Canadian Zerg and how hilariously bad non-Korean Zerg players are who should spend more time practicing and less time whining.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
October 19 2017 02:35 GMT
#68
Naniwa's mlg run, cough cough
hi. big fan.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 19 2017 03:16 GMT
#69
On October 19 2017 10:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.

The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue.

Ah, the good old "light at the end of the tunnel is a train" scenario. Those who know despair, once knew hope. Those who know loss, once knew love.

I approve.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
October 19 2017 04:43 GMT
#70
On October 19 2017 10:55 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 10:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.

The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue.

The most suitable outcome is for both Rogue and soO to beat mass oracles/skytoss and then mention in the winner interviews how they watched a recent series involving Neeb and a Canadian Zerg and how hilariously bad non-Korean Zerg players are who should spend more time practicing and less time whining.

shots fired haha
hi. big fan.
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
October 19 2017 05:14 GMT
#71
On October 19 2017 10:55 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 10:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.

The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue.

The most suitable outcome is for both Rogue and soO to beat mass oracles/skytoss and then mention in the winner interviews how they watched a recent series involving Neeb and a Canadian Zerg and how hilariously bad non-Korean Zerg players are who should spend more time practicing and less time whining.

Can't agree more. Playing skytoss against Rogue is like suicide
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
October 19 2017 05:51 GMT
#72
First foreigner WCS champ, I believe!
Suohhen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States59 Posts
October 19 2017 06:00 GMT
#73
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.
Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-19 06:58:16
October 19 2017 06:31 GMT
#74
On October 19 2017 06:29 Mun_Su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 04:04 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...

Comments like this make me hope foreigners get brutally rekt at blizzcon.


This.


I actually only want neeb to get rekt, all others are fine if they surprise me.

(I don't dislike neeb it's just that his fans are annoying)
I am a slave of Golden from now on. Obey a supreme leader of StarCraft 2 or you get banned. I am really glad to be citizen of Democratic republic of Golden.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
October 19 2017 07:08 GMT
#75
On October 19 2017 15:31 Corvuuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 06:29 Mun_Su wrote:
On October 19 2017 04:04 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.

I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...

Comments like this make me hope foreigners get brutally rekt at blizzcon.


This.


I actually only want neeb to get rekt, all others are fine if they surprise me.

(I don't dislike neeb it's just that his fans are annoying)

For someone who has accomplished so much, I don't think a bop out at blizzcon will do much to deter us fans from being.. fans. Delusion or otherwise. Sort of comes with the territory.. Stephano apologists were the worst when he tried his hand at GSL finally. It's human nature.
hi. big fan.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
October 19 2017 07:17 GMT
#76
On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.

Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
baiesradu
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Romania150 Posts
October 19 2017 08:48 GMT
#77
Beautiful article ! I hope he does well ! I would love that !
I love Starcraft .
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 19 2017 08:58 GMT
#78
On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.

Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?

I miss them so much
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
October 19 2017 09:18 GMT
#79
If Gumiho was a circuit player I doubt he would have won 3 of 4 major events the way Neeb did. He did not make it out of group in GSL season 3. Lost to Zest in the rd of 8 at Homestory cup and did not play in SSL season 2 premier.

Neeb did have an overall better year.

Neeb is breathing rarefied air. No foreigner in the past would have been rated close to 8th. Naniwa and Lilbow were a distant 16 in their Blizzcons. Neeb for the 2nd time in a row will make the final 8 at Blizzcon and it is there he is likely to be stalled.

What makes the circuit exciting to me is that the top 3 players are all so young. Neeb-Elazer-Serral are all just 19. They can get even better.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 19 2017 09:31 GMT
#80
There's a very real scenario where Neeb falls out in the group stage, though. Rogue is in insane form at the moment, I expect him to beat Neeb. But soO's ZvZ is immaculate. That means he's got a very good chance to beat Nerchio and could absolutely beat Rogue as well. If soO advances in first place, I don't see Neeb beating Rogue in the rematch. Rogue is that good.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
October 19 2017 09:59 GMT
#81
On October 19 2017 18:31 Olli wrote:
There's a very real scenario where Neeb falls out in the group stage, though. Rogue is in insane form at the moment, I expect him to beat Neeb. But soO's ZvZ is immaculate. That means he's got a very good chance to beat Nerchio and could absolutely beat Rogue as well. If soO advances in first place, I don't see Neeb beating Rogue in the rematch. Rogue is that good.

soO winning a ZvP against Neeb doesn't seem unlikely to me either. Though it's a hard call (for me) since although Neebs PvZ looks disgustingly good, it's usually against foreigners and on top of that it's hard to know soOs form and I generally think he's kind of inconsistent outside of GSL. He did beat Stats at the super tournament though, so he definitely shouldn't be underestimated in the matchup.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-19 10:27:56
October 19 2017 10:27 GMT
#82
On October 19 2017 18:18 Rolltide wrote:
Neeb is breathing rarefied air. No foreigner in the past would have been rated close to 8th. Naniwa and Lilbow were a distant 16 in their Blizzcons.

Surely that had nothing to do with 15 Koreans present at the respective Global Finals :0

e: soO will wipe the floor with Neeb
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13319 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-19 10:52:55
October 19 2017 10:42 GMT
#83
On October 19 2017 18:18 Rolltide wrote:
If Gumiho was a circuit player I doubt he would have won 3 of 4 major events the way Neeb did. He did not make it out of group in GSL season 3. Lost to Zest in the rd of 8 at Homestory cup and did not play in SSL season 2 premier.

GuMiho made it to the Ro16 in GSL S3 and was one game away (against INnoVation) from Ro8.
As for SSL, he didn't even try to qualify in season 2 (like TY). I imagine he didn't participate because those qualifiers were one week before his GSL finals.
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States581 Posts
October 19 2017 19:49 GMT
#84
On October 19 2017 10:55 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 10:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.

The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue.

The most suitable outcome is for both Rogue and soO to beat mass oracles/skytoss and then mention in the winner interviews how they watched a recent series involving Neeb and a Canadian Zerg and how hilariously bad non-Korean Zerg players are who should spend more time practicing and less time whining.


haha greatest comment in this thread.

except the neeb losing part.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 19 2017 20:06 GMT
#85
On October 19 2017 18:59 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 18:31 Olli wrote:
There's a very real scenario where Neeb falls out in the group stage, though. Rogue is in insane form at the moment, I expect him to beat Neeb. But soO's ZvZ is immaculate. That means he's got a very good chance to beat Nerchio and could absolutely beat Rogue as well. If soO advances in first place, I don't see Neeb beating Rogue in the rematch. Rogue is that good.

soO winning a ZvP against Neeb doesn't seem unlikely to me either. Though it's a hard call (for me) since although Neebs PvZ looks disgustingly good, it's usually against foreigners and on top of that it's hard to know soOs form and I generally think he's kind of inconsistent outside of GSL. He did beat Stats at the super tournament though, so he definitely shouldn't be underestimated in the matchup.

Uhm, can I get a link to this, would like to see that

I have no idea who the Canadian ZErg is. Not following LotV at all. The only Canadian Zerg I know wouldn't whine, would she?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Suohhen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States59 Posts
October 20 2017 07:44 GMT
#86
On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.

Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?

Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
October 20 2017 07:53 GMT
#87
On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.

Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?

Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.

How is this relevant? Those players proved you can have a great personality while also being a god at SC2
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 20 2017 07:55 GMT
#88
On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.

Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?

Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.

Bah, nonsense, if you don't have a "player with pesonality" you can always create one. AKA The Jurgen story.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
October 20 2017 15:39 GMT
#89
On October 19 2017 19:27 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 18:18 Rolltide wrote:
Neeb is breathing rarefied air. No foreigner in the past would have been rated close to 8th. Naniwa and Lilbow were a distant 16 in their Blizzcons.

Surely that had nothing to do with 15 Koreans present at the respective Global Finals :0

e: soO will wipe the floor with Neeb


Right?

When the tournament is segregated with 8 foreign players it's not worth nearly as much to be ranked so high compared with previous blizzcons.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
October 20 2017 15:41 GMT
#90
On October 20 2017 05:06 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 18:59 DBooN wrote:
On October 19 2017 18:31 Olli wrote:
There's a very real scenario where Neeb falls out in the group stage, though. Rogue is in insane form at the moment, I expect him to beat Neeb. But soO's ZvZ is immaculate. That means he's got a very good chance to beat Nerchio and could absolutely beat Rogue as well. If soO advances in first place, I don't see Neeb beating Rogue in the rematch. Rogue is that good.

soO winning a ZvP against Neeb doesn't seem unlikely to me either. Though it's a hard call (for me) since although Neebs PvZ looks disgustingly good, it's usually against foreigners and on top of that it's hard to know soOs form and I generally think he's kind of inconsistent outside of GSL. He did beat Stats at the super tournament though, so he definitely shouldn't be underestimated in the matchup.

Uhm, can I get a link to this, would like to see that

I have no idea who the Canadian ZErg is. Not following LotV at all. The only Canadian Zerg I know wouldn't whine, would she?


I love Scarlett but she has a pretty prolific history of balance whining on twitter along with a lot of the other foreign Zergs.

I tend to justify it though because she actually backs up her claims about Protoss by actually PLAYING Protoss and winning with it, people like Nerchio generally bitch about every match up and then never back any of it up with actual off-race play. Scarlett never whines about Terran but she's constantly complaining about how easy Protoss has it in PvZ.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Suohhen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States59 Posts
October 20 2017 18:21 GMT
#91
On October 20 2017 16:53 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:
On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.

Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?

Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.

How is this relevant? Those players proved you can have a great personality while also being a god at SC2


In the past yes, but the meta has changed significantly. And again sure there are always exceptions, but my beef is with those who criticize Neeb as though his personality is a problem.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 20 2017 18:49 GMT
#92
On October 21 2017 03:21 Suohhen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2017 16:53 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:
On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.

Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?

Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.

How is this relevant? Those players proved you can have a great personality while also being a god at SC2


In the past yes, but the meta has changed significantly. And again sure there are always exceptions, but my beef is with those who criticize Neeb as though his personality is a problem.


Blizzard must be a lot better at adjusting the meta than I thought if they're able to do a targeted nerf on players with personality.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 20 2017 21:18 GMT
#93
On October 21 2017 03:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 03:21 Suohhen wrote:
On October 20 2017 16:53 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:
On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else.

Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?

Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.

How is this relevant? Those players proved you can have a great personality while also being a god at SC2


In the past yes, but the meta has changed significantly. And again sure there are always exceptions, but my beef is with those who criticize Neeb as though his personality is a problem.


Blizzard must be a lot better at adjusting the meta than I thought if they're able to do a targeted nerf on players with personality.

While David Kim distracted the masses with bunker build times, he secretly and subtly implemented his master plan. He retired only after he had suceeded at purging SC2 of all personality.

It is known.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
ARnisPH
Profile Joined October 2017
4 Posts
October 24 2017 16:47 GMT
#94
On October 19 2017 14:14 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 10:55 Boggyb wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:
On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.


Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.

The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue.

The most suitable outcome is for both Rogue and soO to beat mass oracles/skytoss and then mention in the winner interviews how they watched a recent series involving Neeb and a Canadian Zerg and how hilariously bad non-Korean Zerg players are who should spend more time practicing and less time whining.

Can't agree more. Playing skytoss against Rogue is like suicide


Let the games begin and let's see who among us is right!!!! go Neeeebbb!!!!!
My Life for Auir! But Freedom is needed too! Neeb | Stats | Trap | sOs | Rain | Innovation | ByuN | MCanning | WinterSC2 | PiG
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10045 Posts
October 25 2017 17:16 GMT
#95
no image of his tweet saying hi was overrated? hahha this was a great season for him but i still think that soO and Rogue are one step ahead.
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
11:00
Mid Season Playoffs
SHIN vs PercivalLIVE!
ShoWTimE vs Bunny
Nicoract vs Arrogfire
WardiTV820
IndyStarCraft 153
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 159
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 48635
Calm 7597
Sea 2944
GuemChi 2742
Jaedong 1143
EffOrt 818
Mong 777
Snow 492
Stork 281
Last 277
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 260
Rush 146
Dewaltoss 122
Aegong 90
ToSsGirL 41
sSak 37
IntoTheRainbow 30
Icarus 24
scan(afreeca) 19
JulyZerg 15
Killer 13
Shine 11
SilentControl 7
Dota 2
Gorgc7593
qojqva1797
XcaliburYe418
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2195
x6flipin741
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King159
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 89
Khaldor75
Other Games
B2W.Neo1973
XBOCT371
SortOf201
ArmadaUGS84
ToD74
Trikslyr27
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 90
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4039
• Stunt703
Upcoming Events
BSL: GosuLeague
4h 49m
Replay Cast
10h 49m
Replay Cast
20h 49m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Road to EWC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
SC Evo League
2 days
Road to EWC
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Soulkey
[ Show More ]
Road to EWC
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
SOOP
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
Solar vs Creator
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

China & Korea Top Challenge
2025 GSL S1
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Heroes 10 EU
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

Rose Open S1
Copa Latinoamericana S4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.