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On August 20 2017 03:20 IceTea_Sc2 wrote:
They always say that they take pro player feedback quite serious but whenever I ask a pro (on their streams) they all answer the same : blizzard never asked me about my thoughts on the balance/there is nothing i can do to give them feedback if they dont reach out to me. Blizzard is straight up lying to us right there. If they would care about pro player feedback they would communicate with them.
This, they need to make their communication with the pro's more transparent, because the inconsistencies do kind of point to them lying about it. Although I wonder if maybe they only ask tip top pro's? Maybe not all pro's are equal in the eyes of the balance team?
I have no idea, all I know is that currently, Protoss is in pretty bad shape, I've been playing low diamonds mostly (I'm like mid/high diamond because Heroes is stealing my life away currently, usually a master league player) but they are still pretty decent and wow, I had no clue Protoss was so reliant on MSC, their early game defense is in shambles.
ZvZ is kind of stupid, Lurkers feel really really good in the match up, and against Protoss, and just, against everything, making them faster really boosted their viability. But now that Infestors don't hit air I've noticed it's really hard to take a 4th base if you want to do a Hydra based build, big Muta flocks can just run circles around you and eventually spore crawlers just don't do the job. Maybe if they want to keep Fungal the way it is they need to add a kind of band-aid balance fix to the spore that allows it to do splash vs. biological?
Mech feels good, like really good. My friend is a mech it happen kind of Terran guy who maintains a decent win rate vs. Zerg on ladder with it and it feels kind of, invincible? Raven's are still definitely good in mass because the more Ravens you add late game, the more you can heal your mech units. Also, the missile that does the armor debuff is way out of line, an armor reduction of 3? You have got to be kidding me, look at the difference between a 3/0 army vs a 3/3, it generally doesn't go very well for the 3/0 upgrade army, add on top of that heals and it's just ridiculous. After all of these changes, the Raven still feels extremely oppressive and very good to mass.
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What is a pro exactly. Streamer? GSL contender? Grandmaster player? Anyway I am glad they dont cater to that.
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It just reads itself like every interview ever from that PR team. Like after every question I can already guess what the answer is going to be.
On August 18 2017 05:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if u dislike the design direction and the thinking behind it no one is forcing you to play. there is a community C&C4 server that is really well run.. and Halo Wars 2 is also looking for players.
Thats not an argument. If you dislike a change you can just say it without someone like you shutting them down and telling them to go somewhere else ffs. According to you: Hypothetically if they patch it so that terran starts with 1000 minerals, you shouldn't complain cause you can just go play something else. I hope you know how ridiculous that sounds.
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On August 20 2017 03:52 jpg06051992 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2017 03:20 IceTea_Sc2 wrote:
They always say that they take pro player feedback quite serious but whenever I ask a pro (on their streams) they all answer the same : blizzard never asked me about my thoughts on the balance/there is nothing i can do to give them feedback if they dont reach out to me. Blizzard is straight up lying to us right there. If they would care about pro player feedback they would communicate with them. This, they need to make their communication with the pro's more transparent, because the inconsistencies do kind of point to them lying about it. Although I wonder if maybe they only ask tip top pro's? Maybe not all pro's are equal in the eyes of the balance team? I have no idea, all I know is that currently, Protoss is in pretty bad shape, I've been playing low diamonds mostly (I'm like mid/high diamond because Heroes is stealing my life away currently, usually a master league player) but they are still pretty decent and wow, I had no clue Protoss was so reliant on MSC, their early game defense is in shambles. ZvZ is kind of stupid, Lurkers feel really really good in the match up, and against Protoss, and just, against everything, making them faster really boosted their viability. But now that Infestors don't hit air I've noticed it's really hard to take a 4th base if you want to do a Hydra based build, big Muta flocks can just run circles around you and eventually spore crawlers just don't do the job. Maybe if they want to keep Fungal the way it is they need to add a kind of band-aid balance fix to the spore that allows it to do splash vs. biological? Mech feels good, like really good. My friend is a mech it happen kind of Terran guy who maintains a decent win rate vs. Zerg on ladder with it and it feels kind of, invincible? Raven's are still definitely good in mass because the more Ravens you add late game, the more you can heal your mech units. Also, the missile that does the armor debuff is way out of line, an armor reduction of 3? You have got to be kidding me, look at the difference between a 3/0 army vs a 3/3, it generally doesn't go very well for the 3/0 upgrade army, add on top of that heals and it's just ridiculous. After all of these changes, the Raven still feels extremely oppressive and very good to mass.
Mass means your army is almost one unit only.I wouldn't call 10-20 ravens is mass because protoss and terran do it with ghosts and HTs for years...
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On August 20 2017 07:26 Psychobabas wrote:
What is a pro exactly. Streamer? GSL contender? Grandmaster player? Anyway I am glad they dont cater to that.
Someone who earns a living from playing StarCraft in this context.
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On August 20 2017 03:20 IceTea_Sc2 wrote:
They always say that they take pro player feedback quite serious but whenever I ask a pro (on their streams) they all answer the same : blizzard never asked me about my thoughts on the balance/there is nothing i can do to give them feedback if they dont reach out to me. Blizzard is straight up lying to us right there. If they would care about pro player feedback they would communicate with them.
A forum user accusing Blizzard of "straight up lying" with some personal, anecdotal evidence.
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On August 20 2017 22:36 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2017 03:20 IceTea_Sc2 wrote:
They always say that they take pro player feedback quite serious but whenever I ask a pro (on their streams) they all answer the same : blizzard never asked me about my thoughts on the balance/there is nothing i can do to give them feedback if they dont reach out to me. Blizzard is straight up lying to us right there. If they would care about pro player feedback they would communicate with them. A forum user accusing Blizzard of "straight up lying" with some personal, anecdotal evidence.
Have heard the same from a handful of people (not) involved with blizz over the years
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On August 19 2017 04:05 Charoisaur wrote:Kavid Dim
good one
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On August 20 2017 07:44 404AlphaSquad wrote:It just reads itself like every interview ever from that PR team. Like after every question I can already guess what the answer is going to be. Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 05:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if u dislike the design direction and the thinking behind it no one is forcing you to play. there is a community C&C4 server that is really well run.. and Halo Wars 2 is also looking for players. Thats not an argument. If you dislike a change you can just say it without someone like you shutting them down and telling them to go somewhere else ffs. According to you: Hypothetically if they patch it so that terran starts with 1000 minerals, you shouldn't complain cause you can just go play something else. I hope you know how ridiculous that sounds.
context drop.
if u include my entire comment you'll see the conclusion arose from the fact that Blizzard has provided a giant amount of background info about their thinking behind many design decisions and changes... both currently and over the past 7 years.
the person i responded to is a consumer not a game designer. consumers make choices from set options that vendors provide. its not an "argument" it is the position every consumer is in. pick ur best option. for me, its SC2 and Brood War.
the original guy said he felt a question was "dodged". u can make that claim about every RTS game designer discussing game design decisions about any game. relative to the other choices out there Blizz gives lots of info. can we focus in on 1 question and obsess over it and then claim Blizz is ripping us off.. sure.. but u have to do even more context dropping to twist your mind into a pretzel to believe that.
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I have a question : Why do the Ultralisk is faster on creep ? Have you ever seen Ultraliskk on a skateboard ?
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On August 18 2017 04:56 crashpoint wrote:
I love this changes and am happy about big updates like those, it keeps the game fresh.
A game that has "big" patches every year is not unstable, it (hopefully) improves balance and and makes the game more diverse, take League as an example with its annual mid season updates etc..
On the other hand, Brood War is so timeless in its design, gameplay and balance that it doesn't require annual updates. The closest you'd get are new maps.
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Balance guy before the grand finals
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On September 10 2017 21:59 the_last_terran1 wrote:
I have a question : Why do the Ultralisk is faster on creep ? Have you ever seen Ultraliskk on a skateboard ?
Creep, It's Got Electrolytes.
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On August 18 2017 06:57 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 06:22 Zaros wrote:On August 18 2017 04:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Those new upgrades are joke. Who is going to blow that much resources on something before 4 bases? You aren't going to see clever viking harass any time soon with those prices. If they wanted to make the viking into some kind of harrassment unit like is almost was in beta ... then they should add in something to make it faster. For instance:
If given a move order, after 2 seconds the viking doubles in speed after not getting another move order.
This way the viking is still slow in the deadly and exciting back and forth end game fights, but it can possible get across the board and do something if you give it a far away destination and don't mind it not firing. It makes the transformations instant pretty much, its a must have with any mech style. Hellions can run into a mineral line and then instantly transform into hellbats its pretty crazy. I am not saying this won't be a good upgrade. I am just seeing that 150/150 and thinking, I am not going to see this in a pro, high level game. In one of my sit in my base mech fests, sure, I am going to get that upgrade.
Lol are you suggesting that you won't see Mech Servos, the most important upgrade in the new patch, in any pro games? Ummm, are you sure you're correct about that? =\
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On August 20 2017 03:20 IceTea_Sc2 wrote:
They always say that they take pro player feedback quite serious but whenever I ask a pro (on their streams) they all answer the same : blizzard never asked me about my thoughts on the balance/there is nothing i can do to give them feedback if they dont reach out to me. Blizzard is straight up lying to us right there. If they would care about pro player feedback they would communicate with them.
meh, the pros would all push for their race to be buffed and others nerfed, as long as Blizz considers the pro-scene I'm OK
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are those changes live right now?
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Blizzard is really the only company I have full confidence in.
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Just saw that testing is online again. Just a quick question after playing (protoss). Isn't stalker/colossus too good again? Isn't shield battery SO WEAK?
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