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Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
June 25 2017 09:11 GMT
#541
This thread is seriously pathetic. A bunch of foreigners have done really well, beating koreans and everyone is upset. Flip it around, why do koreans who can't even beat foreigners in qualifiers "deserve" a spot in GSL?

The truth is the gap in skill between different regions has never been lower as the scene matures, but the skill level overall has never been higher. With players retiring and less people overall competing for spots of course its easier for foreigners - or koreans who do compete - to qualify. But having followed Code S since 2010 I can say if you are interested in high level play its better than ever. If you are only interested in the fortunes of has-beens or your fan-faves, you may be out of luck in this particular season.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 25 2017 09:11 GMT
#542
God I hope Tails beats sOs
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
June 25 2017 09:11 GMT
#543
On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:
On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:
On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:
On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked.

It should be region-locked already.
It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not.
sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks.
If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making.

I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit.

But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype.


+1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd


If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off.

I don't understand this logic.
When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!"
If you're arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS.

Right now foreigners are preventing the growth of the korean scene.


Well, in all fairness, I can't claim to know what's right or best here. Maybe WCS should open up again, or maybe GSL should become region locked, or some other solution... The Korean scene has taken a hit, and I'm not sure what the best way to grow it back more might be. I didn't especially like the strict region locking when they implemented it, personally. Has it given the foreign scene more room to grow? (Honest question, I don't follow the foreign scenes at all these days).

There was a time when there was pretty much zero chance for this many foreigners to get into the GSL, and Koreans were (almost) always the favourite to win any tournament they were in, regardless of who else was in it. We are not at a point where we're seeing that kind of dominance from the foreign scene, but still I could agree that it seems like the region locking rules were designed for another era. My comment wasn't really meant to address the whole conversation about this.
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-25 09:11:58
June 25 2017 09:11 GMT
#544
On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:
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On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was


Rofl nothing wrong really ?

Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups

Even WCS challenger is better


If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 25 2017 09:12 GMT
#545
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 25 2017 09:12 GMT
#546
On June 25 2017 18:11 Elwar wrote:
This thread is seriously pathetic. A bunch of foreigners have done really well, beating koreans and everyone is upset. Flip it around, why do koreans who can't even beat foreigners in qualifiers "deserve" a spot in GSL?

The truth is the gap in skill between different regions has never been lower as the scene matures, but the skill level overall has never been higher. With players retiring and less people overall competing for spots of course its easier for foreigners - or koreans who do compete - to qualify. But having followed Code S since 2010 I can say if you are interested in high level play its better than ever. If you are only interested in the fortunes of has-beens or your fan-faves, you may be out of luck in this particular season.


I too have followed the scene since 2010 and I disagree. What now?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
bulya
Profile Joined February 2016
Israel386 Posts
June 25 2017 09:12 GMT
#547
All Protoss foreigners didn't make it (and there quite a lot if we include the Chinese guys).
All Terran foreigners did it.
All Zerg foreigners apart for Johsnow did it.

Hmm... interesting.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 25 2017 09:13 GMT
#548
On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:
On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was


Rofl nothing wrong really ?

Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups

Even WCS challenger is better


If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A.


Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 25 2017 09:13 GMT
#549
On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.


I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-25 09:14:25
June 25 2017 09:13 GMT
#550
On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.


I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret

Oh definitely. I expect the top-tier Koreans to step up and make a statement in the next few months, here in Season 3 and in GSL vs the World.

Well, I for one will be keenly interested to see if any of the foreigners manage to make it to Ro16.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 25 2017 09:13 GMT
#551
On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:
On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:
On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was


Rofl nothing wrong really ?

Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups

Even WCS challenger is better


If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A.


Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32.

NoRegret went 4-2 vs Impact this qualifier so that's quite a bold claim.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
June 25 2017 09:13 GMT
#552
lol these salty whiners. Jake only lost his match against inno, and still manage to qualify despite being in an arguably pretty tough group. We should be happy for him, and not complain about "oh no! foreigners robbing code S spots from Koreans!" That's just BS.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 25 2017 09:14 GMT
#553
On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.


I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret


Noregret will not be in ro16
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 25 2017 09:14 GMT
#554
On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:
On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:
On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was


Rofl nothing wrong really ?

Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups

Even WCS challenger is better


If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A.


Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32.

Code A was bo5 single elimination exactly 5 seasons and everyone hated it. Before that it was GSL style groups.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
June 25 2017 09:14 GMT
#555
On June 25 2017 18:12 Olli wrote:I too have followed the scene since 2010 and I disagree. What now?

What now? You disagree with someone about something. Thats it.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 25 2017 09:14 GMT
#556
On June 25 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:
On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.


I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret


Noregret will not be in ro16

GSL champion and runner up can pick a player each in ro32.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
June 25 2017 09:14 GMT
#557
sOs > TAiLS & qualifies
Liquipedia"Expert"
AshC
Profile Joined August 2016
United States328 Posts
June 25 2017 09:14 GMT
#558
Oh well, frankly, Ro16 is the real Code S these days. So wait until then.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 25 2017 09:14 GMT
#559
On June 25 2017 18:14 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote:
On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:
On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.


I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret


Noregret will not be in ro16

GSL champion and runner up can pick a player each in ro32.


Ah, didnt know, thx
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 25 2017 09:15 GMT
#560
Awww, Tails is out.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
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