• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:27
CET 17:27
KST 01:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - RO16 Preview3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational10SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)21Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 [Short Story] The Last GSL Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Fantasy's Q&A video BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2621 users

Community Feedback Update 23 February

Forum Index > SC2 General
183 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden592 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-24 19:33:04
February 23 2017 22:34 GMT
#1
Source Nakatoir

Balance Test Map
First off, we wanted to give a big thanks to everyone who participated in testing and provided feedback on the balance test map. We are leaning towards finalizing the below changes, but wanted one last round of feedback and testing from our community.

Terran
Widow Mine
Splash damage +shield bonus reduced from +40 to +25.

Zerg
Hydralisk
Health increased from 80 to 90.

Corruptor
Movement speed changed from 4.1343 to 4.725.
Acceleration speed changed from 3.675 to 4.2.
Parasite Spore weapon damage point changed from .1193 to .0446.
Assuming that no issues arise, we’ll implement these changes in an upcoming patch.

Reaper Openers in TvZ
We have been keeping an eye on Reaper openings in the TvZ matchup and we think some tweaks may be needed here to keep terran from gaining too much advantage in the early game. We are currently thinking that the offensive capabilities of the unit could be reduced a bit, and that changes to the KD8 Charge ability would be a good way to accomplish this. Some options that we have discussed are increasing the cooldown of the ability, or changing the ability to no longer damage structures to increase the effectiveness of static defense options. As always, let us know your thoughts. Ideally this change should be minor enough that we won’t need to add it to the balance test map and can be pushed straight to live.

Widow mine
Poll: Splash damage +shield bonus reduced from +40 to +25

Good (556)
 
50%

Bad (432)
 
39%

Undecided/Don't care much (130)
 
12%

1118 total votes

Your vote: Splash damage +shield bonus reduced from +40 to +25

(Vote): Good
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided/Don't care much



Hydralisk
Poll: Health increased from 80 to 90.

Good (478)
 
53%

Bad (307)
 
34%

Undecided/Don't care much (120)
 
13%

905 total votes

Your vote: Health increased from 80 to 90.

(Vote): Good
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided/Don't care much



Corruptor
Poll: Movement speed changed from 4.1343 to 4.725.

Bad (404)
 
46%

Good (365)
 
42%

Undecided/Don't care much (102)
 
12%

871 total votes

Your vote: Movement speed changed from 4.1343 to 4.725.

(Vote): Good
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided/Don't care much


Poll: Acceleration speed changed from 3.675 to 4.2.

Good (408)
 
56%

Bad (235)
 
32%

Undecided/Don't care much (84)
 
12%

727 total votes

Your vote: Acceleration speed changed from 3.675 to 4.2.

(Vote): Good
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided/Don't care much


Poll: Parasite Spore weapon damage point changed from .1193 to .0446.

Good (343)
 
48%

Bad (204)
 
28%

Undecided/Don't care much (174)
 
24%

721 total votes

Your vote: Parasite Spore weapon damage point changed from .1193 to .0446.

(Vote): Good
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided/Don't care much



Clarification of damage point through this link

+ Show Spoiler +
It looked like nobody had made a TL post about this, so I made this. I hope it is good enough.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
Random Platinum EU
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
February 23 2017 22:43 GMT
#2
I wonder if corruptors buildings harass will become a thing with the speed boost
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
February 23 2017 22:49 GMT
#3
Why hide the poll results?
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 23 2017 22:50 GMT
#4
Nice post, but the poll results are hiddedn even after voting .

And if Blizzard wants to see the results they can't without voting themselves^^.

You should also add the source and then you are good!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Odowan Paleolithic
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 22:59:55
February 23 2017 22:54 GMT
#5
On February 24 2017 07:43 Tyrhanius wrote:
I wonder if corruptors buildings harass will become a thing with the speed boost


Not harass. Basetrade. You need at least 6 corruptor to meaningfully damage, quite a lot of supply to dedicate to (and a waste if you are facing ground based composition). And the change changed the acceleration more than velocity (ie they turn sharper but still slower than pheonix/muta/boosted vacs)

Disclamer: I mostly play carriers.

That aside, if they really intend to buff hydras this way and make 1 storm not enough to kill hydras (combined with the speed boost on creep), I wonder how Protosses like me going to match up with it. I personally believe if we lower the upgrade time hydra timing will be sharper and kill most carrier builds before they happen. The economy change has already eliminated several stargate-based timings from HotS. The current "normal" builds of Protoss absolutely requires some sort of pressure to take a third. This new hydra is just roach 2.0 in many ways.

I don't believe the widow mine change is warranted or going to make much a difference.
I need a bigger fridge. I cannot hold all the Cheese that are given to me.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 23:49:55
February 23 2017 22:57 GMT
#6
We'll see how the mine nerf goes. From all I hear, top Korean Terrans are already very unhappy about the state of the match-up, well rather the metagame, specifically the adept (which will be the number #1 beneficiary of the change).

I'm not sure the hydra buff does much and I'm not sure buffing corruptor speed and increasing its DPS is the right way to go about addressing Zerg AA issues. But corruptors moving faster than stimmed marines will probably be hilarious to watch.

I've been in favor of a reaper change since forever. It's so restrictive to map design now. Anything that could have potentially been a good macro map is in danger of being reaperfied in TvZ (and to an extent TvT, although less than before 3.8).
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 23:08:09
February 23 2017 23:04 GMT
#7
Imo they should wait to see how the liberator nerf affects the mu before doing another patch. Weird that they do another nerf so shortly after the first one, TvP doesn't seem to be that t favored anymore from what I've seen.
Also I'd prefer the liberator being nerfed even further or even removed.

Also the corruptor buff is pretty significant for tvz because it makes it much easier to chase medivacs for corruptors.
Overall I dislike this patch.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
February 23 2017 23:06 GMT
#8
On February 24 2017 07:54 Odowan Paleolithic wrote:
That aside, if they really intend to buff hydras this way and make 1 storm not enough to kill hydras (combined with the speed boost on creep), I wonder how Protosses like me going to match up with it.

Old shool phoenix into colossus maybe, a bit like PvT, hydras are not that different from marines, and you don't need stalkers to deal with liberator, so you can invest into more adept/chargelots that are great vs light.

If lurkers, go to disruptors or just a big engage with a lot of adept/chargelots and lift lurkers with phoenix.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
February 23 2017 23:13 GMT
#9
I think as a counter part to nerfing reapers they should decrease bunker build time by 3, i think all these changes look fine
SlammerSC2
Profile Joined April 2013
77 Posts
February 23 2017 23:24 GMT
#10
How is Byun gonna win games if he cant snowball the economy in his favor with Reapers anymore in TvZ?
SpecKROELLchen
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany151 Posts
February 23 2017 23:25 GMT
#11
I really fear mass adept phoenix style that stats used vs innovation if widowmine splash nerf goes through. Even though it is right to nerf this. I dont want to be overrun by this strat. Maybe something else needs to be adjusted then.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 23:31:04
February 23 2017 23:30 GMT
#12
from a design standpoint, mine nerf vs shield and hydra hp buff are great, but i don't like the corruptor speed buff, we really don't need more fast units in the game
vibeo gane,
JayuSC2
Profile Joined April 2015
Austria32 Posts
February 23 2017 23:32 GMT
#13
Parasite Spore weapon damage point changed from .1193 to .0446.


This is a buff, right?
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
February 23 2017 23:33 GMT
#14
I always found unintuitive that reaper's grenade could hit buildings. I wouldn't mind this change implemented.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Odowan Paleolithic
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States232 Posts
February 23 2017 23:34 GMT
#15
On February 24 2017 08:32 JayuSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Parasite Spore weapon damage point changed from .1193 to .0446.


This is a buff, right?


I believe so? The attack proc faster.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/481523-the-effects-of-damage-point-on-unit-interaction
I need a bigger fridge. I cannot hold all the Cheese that are given to me.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 23:35:55
February 23 2017 23:35 GMT
#16
On February 24 2017 08:32 JayuSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Parasite Spore weapon damage point changed from .1193 to .0446.


This is a buff, right?



yeah, dmg point is the delay between the attack order and the attack itself, it's very low for marines and high for hellions, that's why marines can stutter step and hellions can't.

so this buff the corruptor's ability to kite stuff
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 23:38:52
February 23 2017 23:38 GMT
#17
nvm misread.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
February 23 2017 23:47 GMT
#18
It's stupid that poll isn't visible even after you vote.
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
February 23 2017 23:52 GMT
#19
balance team is going in circles
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
February 24 2017 00:01 GMT
#20
We'll see how the mine nerf goes. From all I hear, top Korean Terrans are already very unhappy about the state of the match-up, well rather the metagame

What a surprise that people are unhappy with the state of the meta. Is it, the 500th time now?
1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
15:00
N-Korea Champ Playoff Day 1/2
QiaoGege vs SzikyLIVE!
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Mihu vs TBD
ZZZero.O214
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #235
iHatsuTV 227
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 99
Creator 94
BRAT_OK 49
Livibee 47
MindelVK 35
ForJumy 31
StarCraft: Brood War
Jaedong 1457
Shuttle 1150
Horang2 559
Larva 538
Mini 405
EffOrt 287
BeSt 233
Hyuk 230
ZZZero.O 214
Sharp 127
[ Show more ]
hero 114
Soulkey 86
sorry 66
Mind 42
Yoon 35
ZergMaN 22
ToSsGirL 21
910 17
scan(afreeca) 16
yabsab 14
Terrorterran 13
Shinee 12
Bale 6
eros_byul 2
Stormgate
BeoMulf78
Dota 2
qojqva2274
Dendi641
febbydoto22
Counter-Strike
fl0m2670
SPUNJ216
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King51
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor412
Other Games
singsing1894
Grubby1174
Hui .407
KnowMe263
crisheroes188
QueenE173
XaKoH 118
OptimusSC25
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1215
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 24
• Laughngamez YouTube
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 8
• Michael_bg 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4963
• WagamamaTV350
League of Legends
• Jankos3035
• TFBlade1193
• Stunt522
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 33m
Replay Cast
16h 33m
RongYI Cup
18h 33m
Maru vs Cyan
Solar vs Krystianer
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
19h 33m
BSL 21
22h 33m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Wardi Open
1d 21h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W5
OSC Championship Season 13
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3
Tektek Cup #1
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.