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sigmichael
30 Posts
Newkirk Precinct Patience wins Overgrowth | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On December 10 2016 16:13 LongShot27 wrote: In this era of "sc2 ded game" and legitimate concerns about the state of the game SHIT LIKE THIS DONT HELP Well ppl like you dont help at all and never did so what's the matter? | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On December 10 2016 05:33 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: WCA 2016 - The Hidden Global Quite literally hidden. | ||
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sigmichael
30 Posts
Whirlwind Byun wins Final is BO5, not BO7, so Byun is winner | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On December 12 2016 16:17 sigmichael wrote: Overgrowth Byun wins Whirlwind Jesus christ that is an almosy brutal amount of no-hype. But thanks for the info, I hope the games are good for those who are able to watch them. Edit: oh it's over. Now the real fun begin, how many player are gonna get payed? What great excuse from the organiser are gona get post by playerswho didn't get paid? Lets find out! | ||
CynicalDeath
Italy3329 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18381 Posts
On December 10 2016 20:25 Pandemona wrote: Anyone ever going to a WCA event is just beyond belief they are the worst tournament organisers ever and a disgrace to the players in terms of setups given and treatment. How it is still going and players still go is beyond me. the greed of humans knows no limit | ||
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trash_boat
Brazil1 Post
On December 10 2016 20:25 Pandemona wrote: Anyone ever going to a WCA event is just beyond belief they are the worst tournament organisers ever and a disgrace to the players in terms of setups given and treatment. How it is still going and players still go is beyond me. Kelazhur said he was treated pretty well though. Now we just need to know if they are ever going to get paid... 🤔 | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
Let me summarize what else happened. First day: Only half the games in first group was streamed. Caster, himself had no idea what the schedule was like, or what were the results. And in his own words, apparently even the organizers themselves had no idea. Second Group games were not streamed at all. Second day: Couldn't find their own official stream. Even on their main website where the official stream was supposed to be, it was not up. We only had a Korean stream and a Russian stream that restreamed from it. Final day: I gave up but thankfully there was a stream after all. I get my sources from s.163.com which supposedly is like the teamliquid.net of China, and they themselves don't seem to be updated well enough about the tournament. This level of disorganization is bewildering. | ||
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agsub
Singapore368 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Penev
28472 Posts
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Elentos
55510 Posts
On December 12 2016 19:09 Penev wrote: they actually went ahead wit a 5 and a 3 player group.. :-S Well Scarlett was a last minute dropout they couldn't possibly have replaced in time and Nerchio's replacement also cancelled participation. I'm not sure how the players would have liked a last minute redo of the groups into two groups of 4. Granted this is the most hilariously incompetently organized SC2 tournament with a prize pool this big I can think of in recent times so it's possible none of that meant anything. | ||
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Penev
28472 Posts
On December 12 2016 19:19 Elentos wrote: Well Scarlett was a last minute dropout they couldn't possibly have replaced in time and Nerchio's replacement also cancelled participation. I'm not sure how the players would have liked a last minute redo of the groups into two groups of 4. Granted this is the most hilariously incompetently organized SC2 tournament with a prize pool this big I can think of in recent times so it's possible none of that meant anything. Hmm, was it that last minute? Anyway, I understand people prepare for their opponents but a group where you have to play 4 opponents vs a group with 2 seems more unfair to me than remaking the groups. Did you get to see any of it and if so; Was it any good match-wise? | ||
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Elentos
55510 Posts
On December 12 2016 19:44 Penev wrote: Hmm, was it that last minute? Anyway, I understand people prepare for their opponents but a group where you have to play 4 opponents vs a group with 2 seems more unfair to me than remaking the groups. Did you get to see any of it and if so; Was it any good match-wise? I saw none of it because either games were held at bad times or streams didn't exist/work :S Scarlett not participating was announced this week and it was because she didn't get the necessary paperwork in time to get a visa for China. If she has that problem, and her participation was known for a while, well I don't think that bodes well for any non-Chinese replacements. | ||
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Penev
28472 Posts
On December 12 2016 19:48 Elentos wrote: I saw none of it because either games were held at bad times or streams didn't exist/work :S Scarlett not participating was announced this week and it was because she didn't get the necessary paperwork in time to get a visa for China. If she has that problem, and her participation was known for a while, well I don't think that bodes well for any non-Chinese replacements. The could've just made 2 4 player groups Now just hope people actually get their money oh, and that wesg doesn't get plagued by similar problems | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 12 2016 19:55 Penev wrote: The could've just made 2 4 player groups Now just hope people actually get their money oh, and that wesg doesn't get plagued by similar problems WCA pays out, it just takes 300 days... WCA generally reminds of IEM Katowice, just seriously worse organised. There is one venue in a city in nowhere with 7 different games (LoL, Dota 2, SC 2, Warcraft III, HS, CS:GO and Heroes?). Then they got this wired stream setup, where the mainstage got different streams then the games offstage. So everytime the organisers want to show games on the stage, not only do the players have to leave the offstage area (some sort of chinese PC bang for Warcraft III) but also the casters have to get on the stage and do a new setup. All viewers have to move the stream. On top of this mess, there seems to be no fixed shedule. There are certain games they want to show on the big stage (like every final), but also other games like Groupstage matches between strong teams/players. Following the natural delays of alot of games (every game can drag out) and the tight shedule overall (7 games in under 1 week), there situations like this: In Warcraft the 2 championship condenders TH000 and Lyn play their groupstage Bo3. After the first mapwin of TH000, they have to stop their match. Lyn has to move from the cafe to the mainstage and play his groupstage Bo3 against Infi. delays and so happen. Then, after the match against Infi, TH000 has to come to the mainstage (it is now arround 21.00 local time, the group stage startet at 10.00), they have to continue their Bo3, arround 3 hours after TH000 first mapwin. Lyn wins 2:1 in the end. It did not help, that WCA took more size (by picking up LoL and SC 2 and kicking out Crossfire for CS:GO) while they also want to downsize the costs.. For the individual games SC 2 and WC3, there was only 1 admin/organisator each. In WC3, the foreigners with the casters of B2W made the foreign reporter Urgi (playFFA) to the headadmin and organisator and WCA was more then glad about this. In SC II there were no foreign casters on the venue, as there noone seemed to ask WCA about it (like B2W did all the year and the last 2 years) and WCA didnt think about the need of a english caster. So the one admin/organistor (who seemed to be caster at the same time) was left all alone. But overall, I like WCA events, not only because they give us the biggest Wc3 Events (and the regionals over the year), but also because it reminds me of old events, 10 or more years ago, times when esport did not professionalise and people did not know how to run events, but they just wanted to make something happen. | ||
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Penev
28472 Posts
On December 12 2016 20:42 Clonester wrote: WCA pays out, it just takes 300 days... WCA generally reminds of IEM Katowice, just seriously worse organised. There is one venue in a city in nowhere with 7 different games (LoL, Dota 2, SC 2, Warcraft III, HS, CS:GO and Heroes?). Then they got this wired stream setup, where the mainstage got different streams then the games offstage. So everytime the organisers want to show games on the stage, not only do the players have to leave the offstage area (some sort of chinese PC bang for Warcraft III) but also the casters have to get on the stage and do a new setup. All viewers have to move the stream. On top of this mess, there seems to be no fixed shedule. There are certain games they want to show on the big stage (like every final), but also other games like Groupstage matches between strong teams/players. Following the natural delays of alot of games (every game can drag out) and the tight shedule overall (7 games in under 1 week), there situations like this: In Warcraft the 2 championship condenders TH000 and Lyn play their groupstage Bo3. After the first mapwin of TH000, they have to stop their match. Lyn has to move from the cafe to the mainstage and play his groupstage Bo3 against Infi. delays and so happen. Then, after the match against Infi, TH000 has to come to the mainstage (it is now arround 21.00 local time, the group stage startet at 10.00), they have to continue their Bo3, arround 3 hours after TH000 first mapwin. Lyn wins 2:1 in the end. It did not help, that WCA took more size (by picking up LoL and SC 2 and kicking out Crossfire for CS:GO) while they also want to downsize the costs.. For the individual games SC 2 and WC3, there was only 1 admin/organisator each. In WC3, the foreigners with the casters of B2W made the foreign reporter Urgi (playFFA) to the headadmin and organisator and WCA was more then glad about this. In SC II there were no foreign casters on the venue, as there noone seemed to ask WCA about it (like B2W did all the year and the last 2 years) and WCA didnt think about the need of a english caster. So the one admin/organistor (who seemed to be caster at the same time) was left all alone. But overall, I like WCA events, not only because they give us the biggest Wc3 Events (and the regionals over the year), but also because it reminds me of old events, 10 or more years ago, times when esport did not professionalise and people did not know how to run events, but they just wanted to make something happen. Hehe, yeah, that doesn't sound like an organization that would change groups if players didn't show up, poor admin. I agree about the "unprofessionalism" btw, for the nostalgia but also because those tourneys tend to be closer to the audience (viewer). That is, if I'm actually able to watch them. Did you catch any of the games and if so, were they any good? | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 12 2016 21:07 Penev wrote: Hehe, yeah, that doesn't sound like an organization that would change groups if players didn't show up, poor admin. I agree about the "unprofessionalism" btw, for the nostalgia but also because those tourneys tend to be closer to the audience (viewer). That is, if I'm actually able to watch them. Did you catch any of the games and if so, were they any good? I did not watch a single SC II game. They are so early in the morning for me, that I sleep and when I wake up, Douyu.tv does not work for me, because it is 20.00 in China and their Internet tends to slow down for outsiders at that point. I watched quite a bit Warcraft 3 in Chinese and English (because their Groupstage went so late) live yesterday and the Grandfinal today. Now I am watching the VODs of the semifinals and 3rd place match. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On December 12 2016 16:07 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Well ppl like you dont help at all and never did so what's the matter? Great, more joined in 2016 users telling fans that we never "helped". How do you know this? You weren't even here. You weren't even here to watch and enjoy the game, let alone know what others did or didn't do. What a joke. Even bigger of a joke than the organizing of this tournament. By the why, if Jieshi was D/C'd why does LP list the match as a 3-0? | ||
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