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ratgod
Profile Joined February 2012
United States34 Posts
October 18 2016 18:56 GMT
#61
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
I like starcraft a lot
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 18 2016 19:01 GMT
#62
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote:
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!

There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 18 2016 19:11 GMT
#63
On October 19 2016 03:25 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 03:19 jalstar wrote:
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"


IMO an esport's success is proportional to its gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. Overwatch has a massive gap, it has a skill ceiling only slightly lower than other competitive FPSs and it has a much much lower skill floor.

All Overwatch needs is a decent spectator mode (last time I watched there wasn't even a minimap) and it could be a very successful esport.

I think the only thing that matters is the size of the playerbase.


Which is dependent on the factors I mentioned. If the skill floor is too high, people will quit immediately because the game is too hard. If the skill ceiling is too low, people will quit eventually due to the game being too easy/no more room to improve.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 18 2016 19:17 GMT
#64
Playerbase isn't the only factor, it also has to be interesting to watch for the players to be a successful esports.
If OW fulfils the second requirement is still open tbh.

I don't wanna say that the live audience was bad, but it wasn't packed either:


18k viewers for the vod are decent i guess
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
ratgod
Profile Joined February 2012
United States34 Posts
October 18 2016 19:21 GMT
#65
On October 19 2016 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote:
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!

There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.


Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support.
I like starcraft a lot
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 18 2016 19:24 GMT
#66
On October 19 2016 04:21 ratgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote:
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!

There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.


Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support.

I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory.
At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
October 18 2016 19:36 GMT
#67
0-100 real quick. hope him the best, at some point in his SC2 career he was a protoss threat, wish he'll thrive in OW too
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 18 2016 19:41 GMT
#68
It begins :/

I'd imagine my boy ByuL is never getting that title. Probably going off into the sunset.
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Kingsky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore298 Posts
October 18 2016 19:48 GMT
#69
Let's hope he wears some SC2 skins in overwatch (if there are any)
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ratgod
Profile Joined February 2012
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 19:59:48
October 18 2016 19:57 GMT
#70
I like starcraft a lot
ratgod
Profile Joined February 2012
United States34 Posts
October 18 2016 20:00 GMT
#71
On October 19 2016 04:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 04:21 ratgod wrote:
On October 19 2016 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote:
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!

There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.


Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support.

I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory.
At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell.


Hmm yeah. I definitely am a strong proponent to the idea that anyone can be gud at something if they practice enough, and In that sense, these pros have already proven theyve got wat it takes. Even so, I still stand by the fact that I think it's wiser to pick up players who are already established FPS players as well. As u said, only time will tell how much potential they have to be at the top.

Good luck myungsik and the rest of the guys! I will be cheering for u!
I like starcraft a lot
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
October 18 2016 20:14 GMT
#72
On October 19 2016 04:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 04:21 ratgod wrote:
On October 19 2016 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote:
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!

There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.


Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support.

I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory.
At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell.

Also it's possible that those pro player typically went pro generally because they were good in any game. You keep hearing teh best sc2 players stating that they were the best in playing games in their neighborhood.
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
October 18 2016 21:15 GMT
#73
0 respect, sorry, Cheesesick...
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
October 19 2016 00:54 GMT
#74
ah well, it was good while it lasted
can i get my estro logo back pls
WhosQuany
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany257 Posts
October 19 2016 09:31 GMT
#75
wow made up his mind quick
Goin back to Cali
iamkaokao
Profile Joined March 2011
108 Posts
October 19 2016 11:22 GMT
#76
On October 18 2016 19:21 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 19:20 Elentos wrote:
On October 18 2016 19:19 Phredxor wrote:
On October 18 2016 19:17 Elentos wrote:
On October 18 2016 19:09 Phredxor wrote:
On October 18 2016 19:07 Silvana wrote:
He's gonna kill everyone with the lamest character and the lamest moves, and I'm gonna enjoy it so much hahaha


Myungsik confirmed Bastion main?

Isn't everyone in Korea McCree?


I have no idea. I play it a little but i'm a scrub and I hate Bastion. Fuck that guy.

I don't own a copy of Overwatch so I wouldn't know. I know the character's names and have half a clue what some of them do, but that's about it.


I'd equate Bastion to an overcharged pylon.


good analogy , except that overcharged pylon doesnt have any weakness
genghiswolve
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany101 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-19 12:14:12
October 19 2016 12:13 GMT
#77
On October 18 2016 19:00 Phredxor wrote:
Ryung, Taeja etc practicing Overwatch instead of SC2 about to pay off.


Taeja is playing ow because of his wrists, but ok
#Lilbow though :D
maruzest
Profile Joined October 2016
Korea (South)87 Posts
October 19 2016 17:49 GMT
#78
Zoun in the same team
bertolo
Profile Joined June 2010
United States133 Posts
October 19 2016 17:56 GMT
#79
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote:
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!


Because the skill level required to play this game is nothing compared to sc2. I think one does simply practice less than a couple months with the right team and thats it.
ratgod
Profile Joined February 2012
United States34 Posts
October 19 2016 18:08 GMT
#80
On October 20 2016 02:56 bertolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote:
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!


Because the skill level required to play this game is nothing compared to sc2. I think one does simply practice less than a couple months with the right team and thats it.


Uhh no, i don't think you read my post cuz that's not my point at all. Plz don't bash on other games... especially if you don't understand them.
I like starcraft a lot
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