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Myungsik to join an overwatch pro team - Page 3

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dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
October 18 2016 14:05 GMT
#41
LOL what even is happening right now
Potassium Gang
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 14:46:35
October 18 2016 14:46 GMT
#42
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
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On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 18 2016 15:20 GMT
#43
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"


Mhm, makes sense. Thats an interesting question, though would probably result in hour-long discussions. :D
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 18 2016 15:21 GMT
#44
Rock Paper Scissors has a competitive scene. Depth means nothing if nobody gives a shit about your game. Popular games are more likely to have a competitive scene no matter how casual some people think it is.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
October 18 2016 15:24 GMT
#45
Professional esports in Korea went from awe-inspiring to dumbed-down casual over the years

Those guys were the chosen ones :/
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
October 18 2016 15:30 GMT
#46
On October 18 2016 20:10 riotjune wrote:
Overwatch is fun to play but TERRIBLE to watch, it's just a bunch of cartoon characters on adderall running around shooting each other (skycam view)

Yeah watching OW can be taxing sometimes.

In third person view, its hard to tell which player is doing what because its so hectic and chaotic. However, first person view can be difficult to watch also, because it can be hard to know whose pov we are watching from. Sure the name is shown, but it is where names normally are during gameplay. As an observer, looking to the bottom left corner of the screen to see the pov player really sucks. In those few seconds we look to the corner of the screen, the player could have done something really cool that we missed.

I think observer mode pov should have the player's name in the top center of the screen, so when the pov changes we can easily know whose eyes we are looking through.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 18 2016 16:16 GMT
#47
Iirc Myungsik was notoriously difficult to get along with in team houses so him on a team like this should totally work.

Maybe Naniwa should get into OW too :p
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
October 18 2016 16:32 GMT
#48
evil as ever

but gl to him seriously
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
October 18 2016 16:55 GMT
#49
And here it begins.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7103 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 17:06:03
October 18 2016 17:04 GMT
#50
On October 18 2016 22:45 Morfildur wrote:
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On October 18 2016 20:41 JokerAi wrote:
I give him 1 year then he switching back to a solo game. I dont see a single sc2 player who can make good results in team games.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Duckdeok
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/CrazyMoving
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Sniper
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Noblesse
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/SCsC
and for good measure, not a Korean
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/HasuObs

All of those, including HasuObs, have produced very good results in Heroes of the Storm.

You could make a case for Elige as well

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/EliGE
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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
October 18 2016 17:11 GMT
#51
Good luck to Myungsik.

Though i really don't understand OW's appeal. I rarely feel like much is achieved through skill while playing.

It just feels like a bunch of random encounters, where one player has a hero far better suited for that particular instance.
|| Fruit Dealer | Leenock | Yughio | Coca | Sniper | True | Solar | Dark |
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12780 Posts
October 18 2016 17:12 GMT
#52
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"

A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2.
WriterMaru
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
October 18 2016 17:14 GMT
#53
On October 19 2016 02:12 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"

A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2.

Oh is there an exact ranking for how skilled games are? Maybe League is a 40, Overwatch a 50, StarCraft 2 70, that kind of thing?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12780 Posts
October 18 2016 17:24 GMT
#54
On October 19 2016 02:14 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 02:12 Poopi wrote:
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"

A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2.

Oh is there an exact ranking for how skilled games are? Maybe League is a 40, Overwatch a 50, StarCraft 2 70, that kind of thing?

Mechanical skill that is.
And yeah afaik the hardest mechanical fighting game is Super Smash Bros Melee, RTS BW and shooters I'm not sure, maybe Quake?
WriterMaru
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 17:34:48
October 18 2016 17:32 GMT
#55
On October 19 2016 00:20 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"


Mhm, makes sense. Thats an interesting question, though would probably result in hour-long discussions. :D

You bring up the market share, but at the end of the day it also needs to be a successful viewing experience. I still think it fails quite hard here. (fps hard to watch in general, add to that scrappy teamfights with abilities)
AFAIK the OGN league which is happening at this moment in korea has decent youtube numbers (around 20k for vods) and the live audience was ok as well (not amazing though)
Will koreans actually be interested to watch that game? Who knows, the big playerbase obviously helps a ton though.

On October 19 2016 02:12 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"

A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2.


It is really hard to compare that, but i would argue that the (mechanical) skill required to play OW is hardly there for most cases. LOL > OW in that regard imo (stupid topic though tbh, but hey )
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
October 18 2016 17:54 GMT
#56
On October 19 2016 02:11 Cyanocyst wrote:
Good luck to Myungsik.

Though i really don't understand OW's appeal. I rarely feel like much is achieved through skill while playing.

It just feels like a bunch of random encounters, where one player has a hero far better suited for that particular instance.

Not trying to derail the thread, but OW is much more than random encounters.

While there are heroes suited for particular maps, it isn't one hero that is 'far better suited'.

There is a lot of depth and coordination. I won't go into any particular examples, but I think you should keep trying it to understand its depth
.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 18 2016 18:04 GMT
#57
On October 19 2016 02:54 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 02:11 Cyanocyst wrote:
Good luck to Myungsik.

Though i really don't understand OW's appeal. I rarely feel like much is achieved through skill while playing.

It just feels like a bunch of random encounters, where one player has a hero far better suited for that particular instance.

Not trying to derail the thread, but OW is much more than random encounters.

While there are heroes suited for particular maps, it isn't one hero that is 'far better suited'.

There is a lot of depth and coordination. I won't go into any particular examples, but I think you should keep trying it to understand its depth
.

So much depth, which is why "beyblade comp" is so strong atm
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
October 18 2016 18:14 GMT
#58
On October 19 2016 00:24 Penev wrote:
Professional esports in Korea went from awe-inspiring to dumbed-down casual over the years

Those guys were the chosen ones :/

Man, this so much. Hard times for KR fanbois
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 18:20:00
October 18 2016 18:19 GMT
#59
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"


IMO an esport's success is proportional to its gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. Overwatch has a massive gap, it has a skill ceiling only slightly lower than other competitive FPSs and it has a much much lower skill floor.

All Overwatch needs is a decent spectator mode (last time I watched there wasn't even a minimap) and it could be a very successful esport.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
October 18 2016 18:25 GMT
#60
On October 19 2016 03:19 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote:
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.


You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?

I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"


IMO an esport's success is proportional to its gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. Overwatch has a massive gap, it has a skill ceiling only slightly lower than other competitive FPSs and it has a much much lower skill floor.

All Overwatch needs is a decent spectator mode (last time I watched there wasn't even a minimap) and it could be a very successful esport.

I think the only thing that matters is the size of the playerbase.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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