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egernya
Canada352 Posts
![[image loading]](https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14670699_1263397923702687_5640244308868360098_n.jpg?oh=d2d6dfea1aae4f90892c05fdae216439&oe=589A476A) https://www.facebook.com/teamfirstheroic/photos/a.1247481328627680.1073741828.1246616588714154/1263397923702687/?type=3&theater Translatation: Myungsik, who was playing for SKT T1, the best team in Korea, has Joined us(Team First Heroic, an Overwatch Team). Please cheer for him that he has switched to Overwatch now from Bw and SC2. 
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sharkie
Austria18407 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Good luck to him. Also Myungsik's circle of evil continues. Leave Prime --> disbanded, leave SBENU --> disbanded, leave TCM --> gone, leave SKT --> Korean scene implodes. | ||
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
 There have been many instances of pros jumping between titles, but when I see someone swapping SC for that other rhing, I start to lose faith in humanity. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:00 Phredxor wrote: Ryung, Taeja etc practicing Overwatch instead of SC2 about to pay off. You say that, but you watched Hu's WESG stream. Ryung was one of like 5 players who kept playing SC2 after they lost in the qualifiers. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Silvana
3713 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:06 Inflicted wrote: Thought SKT was starting an OW team, meh Considering Overwatch's current success I wouldn't be surprised if KeSPA got involved soon. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:07 Silvana wrote: He's gonna kill everyone with the lamest character and the lamest moves, and I'm gonna enjoy it so much hahaha Myungsik confirmed Bastion main? | ||
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Kashim
Poland1209 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Isn't everyone in Korea McCree? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
I have no idea. I play it a little but i'm a scrub and I hate Bastion. Fuck that guy. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:19 Phredxor wrote: I have no idea. I play it a little but i'm a scrub and I hate Bastion. Fuck that guy. I don't own a copy of Overwatch so I wouldn't know. I know the character's names and have half a clue what some of them do, but that's about it. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:20 Elentos wrote: I don't own a copy of Overwatch so I wouldn't know. I know the character's names and have half a clue what some of them do, but that's about it. I'd equate Bastion to an overcharged pylon. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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lastride
2390 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
 GL to him | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
I hope alot of the teamless ProPlayers follow him to OW teams and make a living of it. Personally I cant stand or see Overwatch, or worse, listen to it. Maybe my SCVs got rekt to hard in the past. | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
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riotjune
United States3393 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
On October 18 2016 20:10 riotjune wrote: Overwatch is fun to play but TERRIBLE to watch, it's just a bunch of cartoon characters on adderall running around shooting each other (skycam view) Aka until Blizzard actually implements a good observer feature it is going to struggle. Which is what hinders everything other than starcraft in blizzard esports. Oh i guess Heroes they kinda did it right but.....WoW it took until about now until we have a proper observer mode, Overwatch doesn't have it and Hearthstone we are still watching player perspective!!! What is that all about lol. | ||
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MushinSSC
31 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
Its not going to get a fanbase like Counterstrike - as in my opinion its a much more casual game and less exciting to watch due to less depth. I think its going to fail as an Esport, just like heroes of the storm did - right now its hyped just like starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 because of the Blizzard brand. If these had been released by a no name studio they would have been forgotten long ago. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On October 18 2016 20:32 weikor wrote: id be surprised if the overwatch hype held for long. Its not going to get a fanbase like Counterstrike - as in my opinion its a much more casual game and less exciting to watch due to less depth. I think its going to fail as an Esport, just like heroes of the storm did - right now its hyped just like starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 because of the Blizzard brand. If these had been released by a no name studio they would have been forgotten long ago. Overwatch is a huge success in Korea. To the point where it overtook LoL as the #1 game in PC Bangs. Its level of success is bewildering to me because honestly it doesn't seem that special. | ||
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:00 Phredxor wrote: Ryung, Taeja etc practicing Overwatch instead of SC2 about to pay off. taeja "practicing" overwatch is the most ridiculous thing i've heard all day. | ||
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 18 2016 20:32 weikor wrote: id be surprised if the overwatch hype held for long. Its not going to get a fanbase like Counterstrike - as in my opinion its a much more casual game and less exciting to watch due to less depth. I think its going to fail as an Esport, just like heroes of the storm did - right now its hyped just like starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 because of the Blizzard brand. If these had been released by a no name studio they would have been forgotten long ago. You just described why Overwatch is so big, 99% of Counter-Strike fans don't care about its depth. | ||
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
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warlocke
97 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote: Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title. You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason? Any game can be an eSports - you just need enough players. Take any succesful game, inject prize money and voila, you got yourself an eSports. On topic - these guys have to make a living. If Myungsik thinks Overwatch is the way to go for him, all the best to him. To the people calling him out on this move: Íf StarCraft II can't sustain a healthy environment for pros in Korea, pros shouldn't suffer just to "keep it alive". It's not their duty. | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
On October 18 2016 20:41 JokerAi wrote: I give him 1 year then he switching back to a solo game. I dont see a single sc2 player who can make good results in team games. ex-SC2 players are doing really well in Heroes | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On October 18 2016 22:35 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Overwatch have pro scene? Yes | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On October 18 2016 20:41 JokerAi wrote: I give him 1 year then he switching back to a solo game. I dont see a single sc2 player who can make good results in team games. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Duckdeok http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/CrazyMoving http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Sniper http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Noblesse http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/SCsC and for good measure, not a Korean http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/HasuObs All of those, including HasuObs, have produced very good results in Heroes of the Storm. | ||
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dr3am_b3ing
Canada188 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On October 18 2016 21:57 KeksX wrote: You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason? I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?" | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote: I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?" Mhm, makes sense. Thats an interesting question, though would probably result in hour-long discussions. :D | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Penev
28478 Posts
Those guys were the chosen ones :/ | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On October 18 2016 20:10 riotjune wrote: Overwatch is fun to play but TERRIBLE to watch, it's just a bunch of cartoon characters on adderall running around shooting each other (skycam view) Yeah watching OW can be taxing sometimes. In third person view, its hard to tell which player is doing what because its so hectic and chaotic. However, first person view can be difficult to watch also, because it can be hard to know whose pov we are watching from. Sure the name is shown, but it is where names normally are during gameplay. As an observer, looking to the bottom left corner of the screen to see the pov player really sucks. In those few seconds we look to the corner of the screen, the player could have done something really cool that we missed. I think observer mode pov should have the player's name in the top center of the screen, so when the pov changes we can easily know whose eyes we are looking through. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Maybe Naniwa should get into OW too :p | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
but gl to him seriously | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On October 18 2016 22:45 Morfildur wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Duckdeok http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/CrazyMoving http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Sniper http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Noblesse http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/SCsC and for good measure, not a Korean http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/HasuObs All of those, including HasuObs, have produced very good results in Heroes of the Storm. You could make a case for Elige as well http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/EliGE | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
Though i really don't understand OW's appeal. I rarely feel like much is achieved through skill while playing. It just feels like a bunch of random encounters, where one player has a hero far better suited for that particular instance. | ||
Poopi
France12883 Posts
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote: I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?" A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 19 2016 02:12 Poopi wrote: A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2. Oh is there an exact ranking for how skilled games are? Maybe League is a 40, Overwatch a 50, StarCraft 2 70, that kind of thing? | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On October 19 2016 02:14 Ansibled wrote: Oh is there an exact ranking for how skilled games are? Maybe League is a 40, Overwatch a 50, StarCraft 2 70, that kind of thing? Mechanical skill that is. And yeah afaik the hardest mechanical fighting game is Super Smash Bros Melee, RTS BW and shooters I'm not sure, maybe Quake? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 19 2016 00:20 KeksX wrote: Mhm, makes sense. Thats an interesting question, though would probably result in hour-long discussions. :D You bring up the market share, but at the end of the day it also needs to be a successful viewing experience. I still think it fails quite hard here. (fps hard to watch in general, add to that scrappy teamfights with abilities) AFAIK the OGN league which is happening at this moment in korea has decent youtube numbers (around 20k for vods) and the live audience was ok as well (not amazing though) Will koreans actually be interested to watch that game? Who knows, the big playerbase obviously helps a ton though. On October 19 2016 02:12 Poopi wrote: A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2. It is really hard to compare that, but i would argue that the (mechanical) skill required to play OW is hardly there for most cases. LOL > OW in that regard imo (stupid topic though tbh, but hey ) | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On October 19 2016 02:11 Cyanocyst wrote: Good luck to Myungsik. Though i really don't understand OW's appeal. I rarely feel like much is achieved through skill while playing. It just feels like a bunch of random encounters, where one player has a hero far better suited for that particular instance. Not trying to derail the thread, but OW is much more than random encounters. While there are heroes suited for particular maps, it isn't one hero that is 'far better suited'. There is a lot of depth and coordination. I won't go into any particular examples, but I think you should keep trying it to understand its depth . | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 19 2016 02:54 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Not trying to derail the thread, but OW is much more than random encounters. While there are heroes suited for particular maps, it isn't one hero that is 'far better suited'. There is a lot of depth and coordination. I won't go into any particular examples, but I think you should keep trying it to understand its depth . So much depth, which is why "beyblade comp" is so strong atm | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On October 19 2016 00:24 Penev wrote: Professional esports in Korea went from awe-inspiring to dumbed-down casual over the years Those guys were the chosen ones :/ Man, this so much. Hard times for KR fanbois | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 18 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote: I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?" IMO an esport's success is proportional to its gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. Overwatch has a massive gap, it has a skill ceiling only slightly lower than other competitive FPSs and it has a much much lower skill floor. All Overwatch needs is a decent spectator mode (last time I watched there wasn't even a minimap) and it could be a very successful esport. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 19 2016 03:19 jalstar wrote: IMO an esport's success is proportional to its gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. Overwatch has a massive gap, it has a skill ceiling only slightly lower than other competitive FPSs and it has a much much lower skill floor. All Overwatch needs is a decent spectator mode (last time I watched there wasn't even a minimap) and it could be a very successful esport. I think the only thing that matters is the size of the playerbase. | ||
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ratgod
United States34 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW! There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 19 2016 03:25 Ansibled wrote: I think the only thing that matters is the size of the playerbase. Which is dependent on the factors I mentioned. If the skill floor is too high, people will quit immediately because the game is too hard. If the skill ceiling is too low, people will quit eventually due to the game being too easy/no more room to improve. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
If OW fulfils the second requirement is still open tbh. I don't wanna say that the live audience was bad, but it wasn't packed either: 18k viewers for the vod are decent i guess | ||
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ratgod
United States34 Posts
On October 19 2016 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general. Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 19 2016 04:21 ratgod wrote: Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support. I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory. At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell. | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
I'd imagine my boy ByuL is never getting that title. Probably going off into the sunset. | ||
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Kingsky
Singapore298 Posts
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ratgod
United States34 Posts
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ratgod
United States34 Posts
On October 19 2016 04:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory. At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell. Hmm yeah. I definitely am a strong proponent to the idea that anyone can be gud at something if they practice enough, and In that sense, these pros have already proven theyve got wat it takes. Even so, I still stand by the fact that I think it's wiser to pick up players who are already established FPS players as well. As u said, only time will tell how much potential they have to be at the top. Good luck myungsik and the rest of the guys! I will be cheering for u! | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On October 19 2016 04:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory. At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell. Also it's possible that those pro player typically went pro generally because they were good in any game. You keep hearing teh best sc2 players stating that they were the best in playing games in their neighborhood. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
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iamkaokao
108 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:21 Phredxor wrote: I'd equate Bastion to an overcharged pylon. good analogy , except that overcharged pylon doesnt have any weakness | ||
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genghiswolve
Germany101 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:00 Phredxor wrote: Ryung, Taeja etc practicing Overwatch instead of SC2 about to pay off. Taeja is playing ow because of his wrists, but ok #Lilbow though :D | ||
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maruzest
Korea (South)87 Posts
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bertolo
United States133 Posts
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW! Because the skill level required to play this game is nothing compared to sc2. I think one does simply practice less than a couple months with the right team and thats it. | ||
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ratgod
United States34 Posts
On October 20 2016 02:56 bertolo wrote: Because the skill level required to play this game is nothing compared to sc2. I think one does simply practice less than a couple months with the right team and thats it. Uhh no, i don't think you read my post cuz that's not my point at all. Plz don't bash on other games... especially if you don't understand them. | ||
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bertolo
United States133 Posts
On October 20 2016 03:08 ratgod wrote: Uhh no, i don't think you read my post cuz that's not my point at all. Plz don't bash on other games... especially if you don't understand them. I watched part of the video on this page. All I see is team fortress in a clusterfuck with fireworks going off. Definitely not hard to learn how to aim. You say you think they will get crushed, I say I think that is wrong. Good luck to one of the best toss. | ||
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Hughgrant
32 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
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Corgi
United States408 Posts
On October 18 2016 19:24 lichter wrote: bastion is the stupid gun of overwatch so i guess it works But nobody plays bastion in pro overwatch. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
Mind you, no one in the NA/EU meta uses Bastion, but I think some teams in Asia use him. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Peising
United States12 Posts
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