"The best team in Korea", oh the jokes that could be had if this wasn't such a sad day.
Good luck to him.
Also Myungsik's circle of evil continues. Leave Prime --> disbanded, leave SBENU --> disbanded, leave TCM --> gone, leave SKT --> Korean scene implodes.
Nooooo There have been many instances of pros jumping between titles, but when I see someone swapping SC for that other rhing, I start to lose faith in humanity.
Not sure Overwatch is a long term solution...think he would have been waiting to see if Blizzard throw money at Afreeca to continue GSL and maybe reboot GSTL...oh well good luck anyway
On October 18 2016 20:10 riotjune wrote: Overwatch is fun to play but TERRIBLE to watch, it's just a bunch of cartoon characters on adderall running around shooting each other (skycam view)
Aka until Blizzard actually implements a good observer feature it is going to struggle. Which is what hinders everything other than starcraft in blizzard esports. Oh i guess Heroes they kinda did it right but.....WoW it took until about now until we have a proper observer mode, Overwatch doesn't have it and Hearthstone we are still watching player perspective!!! What is that all about lol.
id be surprised if the overwatch hype held for long. Its not going to get a fanbase like Counterstrike - as in my opinion its a much more casual game and less exciting to watch due to less depth.
I think its going to fail as an Esport, just like heroes of the storm did - right now its hyped just like starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 because of the Blizzard brand.
If these had been released by a no name studio they would have been forgotten long ago.
On October 18 2016 20:32 weikor wrote: id be surprised if the overwatch hype held for long. Its not going to get a fanbase like Counterstrike - as in my opinion its a much more casual game and less exciting to watch due to less depth.
I think its going to fail as an Esport, just like heroes of the storm did - right now its hyped just like starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 because of the Blizzard brand.
If these had been released by a no name studio they would have been forgotten long ago.
Overwatch is a huge success in Korea. To the point where it overtook LoL as the #1 game in PC Bangs. Its level of success is bewildering to me because honestly it doesn't seem that special.
On October 18 2016 20:32 weikor wrote: id be surprised if the overwatch hype held for long. Its not going to get a fanbase like Counterstrike - as in my opinion its a much more casual game and less exciting to watch due to less depth.
I think its going to fail as an Esport, just like heroes of the storm did - right now its hyped just like starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 because of the Blizzard brand.
If these had been released by a no name studio they would have been forgotten long ago.
You just described why Overwatch is so big, 99% of Counter-Strike fans don't care about its depth.
Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title. I realy dont like the mechenic from a MOBA healer tank in a shooter. As a viewer it is confused to watch most times one team will bracke the def of they other team and the feeding constand the enemys. The observer host do most times realy crap camera movements as well.
Best of luck to him! Though this really reminds me of that year when all those pros switched to LoL because "it was an easier game" only to find out team games are actually very hard.
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote: Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.
You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason? Any game can be an eSports - you just need enough players. Take any succesful game, inject prize money and voila, you got yourself an eSports.
On topic - these guys have to make a living. If Myungsik thinks Overwatch is the way to go for him, all the best to him.
To the people calling him out on this move: Íf StarCraft II can't sustain a healthy environment for pros in Korea, pros shouldn't suffer just to "keep it alive". It's not their duty.
On October 18 2016 20:41 JokerAi wrote: I give him 1 year then he switching back to a solo game. I dont see a single sc2 player who can make good results in team games.
On October 18 2016 20:41 JokerAi wrote: I give him 1 year then he switching back to a solo game. I dont see a single sc2 player who can make good results in team games.
Rock Paper Scissors has a competitive scene. Depth means nothing if nobody gives a shit about your game. Popular games are more likely to have a competitive scene no matter how casual some people think it is.
On October 18 2016 20:10 riotjune wrote: Overwatch is fun to play but TERRIBLE to watch, it's just a bunch of cartoon characters on adderall running around shooting each other (skycam view)
Yeah watching OW can be taxing sometimes.
In third person view, its hard to tell which player is doing what because its so hectic and chaotic. However, first person view can be difficult to watch also, because it can be hard to know whose pov we are watching from. Sure the name is shown, but it is where names normally are during gameplay. As an observer, looking to the bottom left corner of the screen to see the pov player really sucks. In those few seconds we look to the corner of the screen, the player could have done something really cool that we missed.
I think observer mode pov should have the player's name in the top center of the screen, so when the pov changes we can easily know whose eyes we are looking through.
On October 18 2016 20:41 JokerAi wrote: I give him 1 year then he switching back to a solo game. I dont see a single sc2 player who can make good results in team games.
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote: Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.
You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?
I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"
A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2.
Oh is there an exact ranking for how skilled games are? Maybe League is a 40, Overwatch a 50, StarCraft 2 70, that kind of thing?
Mechanical skill that is. And yeah afaik the hardest mechanical fighting game is Super Smash Bros Melee, RTS BW and shooters I'm not sure, maybe Quake?
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote: Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.
You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?
I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"
Mhm, makes sense. Thats an interesting question, though would probably result in hour-long discussions. :D
You bring up the market share, but at the end of the day it also needs to be a successful viewing experience. I still think it fails quite hard here. (fps hard to watch in general, add to that scrappy teamfights with abilities) AFAIK the OGN league which is happening at this moment in korea has decent youtube numbers (around 20k for vods) and the live audience was ok as well (not amazing though) Will koreans actually be interested to watch that game? Who knows, the big playerbase obviously helps a ton though.
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote: Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.
You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?
I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"
A bit more skilled than LoL, more fun than CS:GO, young so easier to be in good teams compared to Dota 2.
It is really hard to compare that, but i would argue that the (mechanical) skill required to play OW is hardly there for most cases. LOL > OW in that regard imo (stupid topic though tbh, but hey )
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote: Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.
You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?
I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"
IMO an esport's success is proportional to its gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. Overwatch has a massive gap, it has a skill ceiling only slightly lower than other competitive FPSs and it has a much much lower skill floor.
All Overwatch needs is a decent spectator mode (last time I watched there wasn't even a minimap) and it could be a very successful esport.
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote: Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.
You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?
I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"
IMO an esport's success is proportional to its gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. Overwatch has a massive gap, it has a skill ceiling only slightly lower than other competitive FPSs and it has a much much lower skill floor.
All Overwatch needs is a decent spectator mode (last time I watched there wasn't even a minimap) and it could be a very successful esport.
I think the only thing that matters is the size of the playerbase.
I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.
On October 18 2016 21:41 JokerAi wrote: Overwatch is realy over hyped now. I realy cant understand why this game will be a esports title.
You really can't? >30% market share in Korea and a huge playerbase on both consoles and PC are not a good enough reason?
I think what he means when he asks "why" is "Why Overwatch? Why not any other game? What makes this one so special? What draws in so many people?"
IMO an esport's success is proportional to its gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. Overwatch has a massive gap, it has a skill ceiling only slightly lower than other competitive FPSs and it has a much much lower skill floor.
All Overwatch needs is a decent spectator mode (last time I watched there wasn't even a minimap) and it could be a very successful esport.
I think the only thing that matters is the size of the playerbase.
Which is dependent on the factors I mentioned. If the skill floor is too high, people will quit immediately because the game is too hard. If the skill ceiling is too low, people will quit eventually due to the game being too easy/no more room to improve.
Playerbase isn't the only factor, it also has to be interesting to watch for the players to be a successful esports. If OW fulfils the second requirement is still open tbh.
I don't wanna say that the live audience was bad, but it wasn't packed either:
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.
Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support.
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.
Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support.
I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory. At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell.
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.
Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support.
I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory. At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell.
Hmm yeah. I definitely am a strong proponent to the idea that anyone can be gud at something if they practice enough, and In that sense, these pros have already proven theyve got wat it takes. Even so, I still stand by the fact that I think it's wiser to pick up players who are already established FPS players as well. As u said, only time will tell how much potential they have to be at the top.
Good luck myungsik and the rest of the guys! I will be cheering for u!
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
There are quite a bit of roles in OW which require little to no aim. In general OW is a lot more about ulti usage than good aiming in general.
Yeah. There's no denying that. But at the same I don't see why teams wouldn't just pick up players who come from an FPS background. If anything, these players will be more solid pickups cuz theyd be able to play to the aim based classes as well as the support classes. In tf2, for example, pro medics didn't need to be the best at aiming, but that certainly didn't mean that pro teams picked up medic players that just couldn't also aim. I may be underplaying the skill level of these RTS players at FPS a bit (I really don't know how good they are), but It feels like these teams are unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot by picking up players who r just gunna be support players when they could pick up someone who's gud at both aim and support.
I feel the idea is that pro players of other games have the dedication to get good at any game in theory. At the end of the day you still sit in front of a pc, use mouse and keyboard and stare at your screen. Most progamers should be able to do very well in pretty much any game, if it is enough to be at the very top is another case though, only time can tell.
Also it's possible that those pro player typically went pro generally because they were good in any game. You keep hearing teh best sc2 players stating that they were the best in playing games in their neighborhood.
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
Because the skill level required to play this game is nothing compared to sc2. I think one does simply practice less than a couple months with the right team and thats it.
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
Because the skill level required to play this game is nothing compared to sc2. I think one does simply practice less than a couple months with the right team and thats it.
Uhh no, i don't think you read my post cuz that's not my point at all. Plz don't bash on other games... especially if you don't understand them.
On October 19 2016 03:56 ratgod wrote: I understand that overwatch is not a pure shooter, but I seriously don't understand how sc2 players think they are going to so easily transition from an RTS to an FPS-moba hybrid. I can't help but think they are gunna get crushed by more experienced FPS players. One does not simply practice for a couple of months and have the aim of someone who's been playing for years. This is all coming from someone who's an experienced FPS player. All in all tho, I wish these guys the best of luck if they do go to OW!
Because the skill level required to play this game is nothing compared to sc2. I think one does simply practice less than a couple months with the right team and thats it.
Uhh no, i don't think you read my post cuz that's not my point at all. Plz don't bash on other games... especially if you don't understand them.
I watched part of the video on this page. All I see is team fortress in a clusterfuck with fireworks going off. Definitely not hard to learn how to aim. You say you think they will get crushed, I say I think that is wrong.
Not true Corgi, I've seen some of the foreign pro teams use Bastion during the Overwatch World Cup. I think I saw China and Philippines use Bastion on specific maps.
Mind you, no one in the NA/EU meta uses Bastion, but I think some teams in Asia use him.