Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system.

letian

Germany4221 Posts

October 18 2016 10:43 GMT

#521

It appears SC2 Proleague is coming to an end. The league ran from 2005-2016.

Why did you include BW Proleague and call it a "league"? This is not correct since BW PL ended long ago and has nothing to do with SC2 PL. I feel angry since this is an attempt on making the subject more important than it is.

letian

Germany4221 Posts

October 18 2016 10:45 GMT

#522

On October 18 2016 11:21 BisuDagger wrote:
SC1 lost proleague and is more exciting then ever. It's up to the dedicated SC2 fans to keep it going.

We all know what's gonna happen.

highsis

259 Posts

October 18 2016 10:48 GMT

#523

It's really dead, huh?

Both SC1&2 could have lasted longer had Kespa done something smart and long-term.

SC1: Reduce the number of matches. Viewers were getting too tired of 5 days a week BO 7 games. No entry reveal system. More focus on individual leagues.
SC2: Teamleague system as opposed to prologue format
SC1&SC2: No same race allowed to play on the same map twice in a row

But screw that. We had to make it easier for teams to practice and secure stable winning rate for good players rather than prioritizing viewers at the risk of having so many standardized games and mirror matchups.

That was royally stupid and short-sighted of Kespa.

Glioburd

France1911 Posts

October 18 2016 10:48 GMT

#524

On October 18 2016 19:43 letian wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why did you include BW Proleague and call it a "league"?

Because it was a league.

On October 18 2016 19:43 letian wrote:
This is not correct since BW PL ended long ago and has nothing to do with SC2 PL.

The common point between BW PL and SC2 PL is : the proleague.

letian

Germany4221 Posts

October 18 2016 10:51 GMT

#525

On October 18 2016 19:48 highsis wrote:
Both SC1&2 could have lasted longer had Kespa done something smart and long-term.

Oh, please, we all know why BW PL was closed and it was certainly not because of Kespa.
We could happily have both proleagues and nobody would get heartbroken.

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

October 18 2016 10:57 GMT

#526

Damn, this is sad news

.
What's the chance of BW HD actually releasing and bridging the old school BW and the SC2 communities?

saalih416

19 Posts

October 18 2016 11:03 GMT

#527

Maybe they thought the gameplay just wasn't that appealing anymore with all the autocasting and noob patches?

User was warned for this post

xuanzue

Colombia1747 Posts

October 18 2016 11:03 GMT

#528

Both SC1&2 could have lasted longer had Kespa done something smart and long-term.

OGN/Kespa acted smart. They simply switched to LoL instead of being fighting with blizzard/gom.

Grettin

42394 Posts

October 18 2016 11:06 GMT

#529

On October 18 2016 19:57 ZenithM wrote:
Damn, this is sad news

.
What's the chance of BW HD actually releasing and bridging the old school BW and the SC2 communities?

November 4th

+ Show Spoiler +

pwetty please

letian

Germany4221 Posts

October 18 2016 11:07 GMT

#530

On October 18 2016 19:48 Glioburd wrote:

Show nested quote +

Because it was a league.

Show nested quote +

The common point between BW PL and SC2 PL is : the proleague.

Should we include other sport leagues as well, because they are leagues?
The common point between SC2 PL and SMITE league is: the proleague.
Clearly, both games share the same universe and progamers to some extend but that's it.
No, this looks like an attempt to drag BW into this and I don't like it, because SC2 was the reason why BW PL ended.

Elentos

55571 Posts

October 18 2016 11:09 GMT

#531

On October 18 2016 20:07 letian wrote:

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Should we include other sport leagues as well, because they are leagues?
The common point between SC2 PL and SMITE league is: the proleague.
No, this is clearly an attempt to drag BW into this and I don't like it.

I don't know, was there ever an SC2/SMITE hybrid Proleague? Were SC2's and SMITE's Proleague done by the same organization under the same banner?

One is the continuation of the other, you can't pretend they were unrelated. Even though the circumstances behind the transition were never good.

Ingvar

Russian Federation421 Posts

October 18 2016 11:11 GMT

#532

This is the end. My only friend, the end.

insitelol

845 Posts

October 18 2016 11:21 GMT

#533

And still people continue to bash blizzard for not focusing on korean scene blah blah blah.
Blizzards SC2 support was INSANE throughout the years for an exeption of may be 2016.
That only proves it was an artificial life-support. The more people love and play the game -> the more money and viewers it attracts. Not the other way around.

Elentos

55571 Posts

October 18 2016 11:26 GMT

#534

Does the last paragraph of this article really say something about KeSPA and Blizzard promising to organize new tournaments for Korean SC2 in the future? Someone on reddit posted that but I'm weary of trusting what random people on the internet say.

Muffloe

Sweden6061 Posts

October 18 2016 11:28 GMT

#535

Time to rebuild (>'.')> And if the scene can't fight through this, maybe it deserved to die :/

aQuaSC

717 Posts

October 18 2016 11:29 GMT

#536

The sad thing is that enormous people following SC2 don't even touch the game. That's why things like that happen, competitive games are fueled by teenagers' interest, why would a kid play a 1v1 SC2 game instead of colorful game where you control one character and play with friends? BW was made big by people at school age.

gingerfluffmuff

Austria4570 Posts

October 18 2016 11:31 GMT

#537

I guess thats it for high lvl sc2. I hope many of the kr pros find new teams and success in OW.

eviltomahawk

United States11135 Posts

October 18 2016 11:32 GMT

#538

On October 18 2016 20:26 Elentos wrote:
Does the last paragraph of this article really say something about KeSPA and Blizzard promising to organize new tournaments for Korean SC2 in the future? Someone on reddit posted that but I'm weary of trusting what random people on the internet say.

According to their official statement on Facebook, they want to expand Kespa Cup and look at other options to support the remaining players.

https://m.facebook.com/proleague.sc2/posts/537156699817362

Elentos

55571 Posts

October 18 2016 11:32 GMT

#539

On October 18 2016 20:28 Muffloe wrote:
Time to rebuild (>'.')> And if the scene can't fight through this, maybe it deserved to die :/

You almost make it sound like it's not a big deal and should be easy to fight through.

beentheredonethat

2934 Posts

October 18 2016 11:34 GMT

#540

Let's be positive about this: maybe some KeSPA pros will be able to attend Circuit events. Let's hope Blizzard opens the gates again to enable Korea to participate outside of Korea again.

It's sad to see such an institution close down. Proleague produced great games, a huge amount of entertainment and I absolutely loved it throughout the years. However, if there ain't money to earn, discontinuation is only a necessary consequence. With LotV, I got completely disconnected to StarCraft as I didn't like the gameplay at all. Given that the region lock made things even more uninteresting to me, I'm not as hurt as I thought I would be. Feels like an ex-girlfriend that I've already moved on from but who I still valued a lot is finally leaving my life :/.

Edit:
Let's also be honest here: the strict KeSPA regiment always limited KR pros a bit. Proleague was very KR specific and only hard foreign fands would watch it - so maybe this is indeed just a turning point, a reorganisation of the korean scene, and not a dead body taking its last breath. Hope dies last!