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On October 05 2016 21:33 KalWarkov wrote:
hilarious how many overrate Neeb. Let him win a WCS event first or show some consistancy on THAT level.
Yes, he is a top 3 foreigner, it is debateable that he is the best foreigner. but guys, he is nowhere near top 3 or 4 in this ranking.
Completely agree, although the people ranking him like 12th or lower are insane. He is definitely top 6 or 8, if nothing else.
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Byun wins one GSL --> God
Trap is the finalst of a KespaCup --> not even top 20?
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On October 06 2016 04:15 Railgan wrote:
Byun wins one GSL --> God
Trap is the finalst of a KespaCup --> not even top 20?
This is a list for the people who play at the Global Playoffs so Trap isn't really relevant.
On October 06 2016 04:01 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:
Definitely pissed that the tourney starts with a GSL style group stage. That is not enough games!!!! What is the rush? The 500,000 dollars with still be given out at the end!!!
The group stage means that there will be more games in total. Last year the Ro16 had 31 games. In a GSL style Ro16 group stage (BO3) you have 40 games minimum.
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On October 06 2016 05:23 EvilsPresley wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 19:43 ejozl wrote:
Fun fact best Blizzcon performance previously with players attending this Blizzcon is Polt and Dear with ro8's. Nah, the fun fact is that Elazer qualified to Blizcon with his best performance ever in a circuit event being a fucking Ro8. How can it be a serious tournament?
Because he was lucky that Hydra cannot play. But also because consistently qualifying for every event is difficult and it is something the winners like Drogo, uThermal and Harstem couldn't do.
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On October 06 2016 05:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 05:23 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 05 2016 19:43 ejozl wrote:
Fun fact best Blizzcon performance previously with players attending this Blizzcon is Polt and Dear with ro8's. Nah, the fun fact is that Elazer qualified to Blizcon with his best performance ever in a circuit event being a fucking Ro8. How can it be a serious tournament? Because he was lucky that Hydra cannot play. But also because consistently qualifying for every event is difficult and it is something the winners like Drogo, uThermal and Harstem couldn't do.
No, he did qualify only for 1 event: WCS season 1, grabbing second spot of national qualifiers and then he was invited to S2 and S3 solely because he stayed barely top 8 after beating chinese/taiwanese players in previous seasons 
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On October 06 2016 05:42 EvilsPresley wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 05:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On October 06 2016 05:23 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 05 2016 19:43 ejozl wrote:
Fun fact best Blizzcon performance previously with players attending this Blizzcon is Polt and Dear with ro8's. Nah, the fun fact is that Elazer qualified to Blizcon with his best performance ever in a circuit event being a fucking Ro8. How can it be a serious tournament? Because he was lucky that Hydra cannot play. But also because consistently qualifying for every event is difficult and it is something the winners like Drogo, uThermal and Harstem couldn't do. No, he did qualify only for 1 event: WCS season 1, grabbing second spot of national qualifiers and then he was invited to S2 and S3 solely because he stayed barely top 8 after beating chinese/taiwanese players in previous seasons
He also qualified for the Gold Series International, and made it through the open bracket of all the Dreamhacks.
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On October 06 2016 05:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 05:42 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 06 2016 05:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On October 06 2016 05:23 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 05 2016 19:43 ejozl wrote:
Fun fact best Blizzcon performance previously with players attending this Blizzcon is Polt and Dear with ro8's. Nah, the fun fact is that Elazer qualified to Blizcon with his best performance ever in a circuit event being a fucking Ro8. How can it be a serious tournament? Because he was lucky that Hydra cannot play. But also because consistently qualifying for every event is difficult and it is something the winners like Drogo, uThermal and Harstem couldn't do. No, he did qualify only for 1 event: WCS season 1, grabbing second spot of national qualifiers and then he was invited to S2 and S3 solely because he stayed barely top 8 after beating chinese/taiwanese players in previous seasons He also qualified for the Gold Series International, and made it through the open bracket of all the Dreamhacks.
Not a Blizcon level of achievements to me, but I must be wrong.
I'm salted to see this guy rated over Drogo, uThermal, Masa, Has and Harstem.
Sorry for the off topic rant, I'll stop there.
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No, he did qualify only for 1 event: WCS season 1, grabbing second spot of national qualifiers and then he was invited to S2 and S3 solely because he stayed barely top 8 after beating chinese/taiwanese players in previous seasons
That's not very accurate. He also qualified through EU qualifiers to the Golden Tournament in China, taking in fact 1st spot in the qualifiers. Even, if we disregard WCS points he has accumulated, which were earned just like any other player could, he was in semis of Homestory cup, he qualiied for WESG in Kiev in first place from polish qualifiers. His Aligulac rating is top 6 foreigner. He was very close to qualifing to the events that he did not participate in. All this shows high consistency. And all in all - there are very few foreign players that could qualify through polish qualifiers anywhere.
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On October 06 2016 06:00 EvilsPresley wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 05:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 06 2016 05:42 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 06 2016 05:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On October 06 2016 05:23 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 05 2016 19:43 ejozl wrote:
Fun fact best Blizzcon performance previously with players attending this Blizzcon is Polt and Dear with ro8's. Nah, the fun fact is that Elazer qualified to Blizcon with his best performance ever in a circuit event being a fucking Ro8. How can it be a serious tournament? Because he was lucky that Hydra cannot play. But also because consistently qualifying for every event is difficult and it is something the winners like Drogo, uThermal and Harstem couldn't do. No, he did qualify only for 1 event: WCS season 1, grabbing second spot of national qualifiers and then he was invited to S2 and S3 solely because he stayed barely top 8 after beating chinese/taiwanese players in previous seasons He also qualified for the Gold Series International, and made it through the open bracket of all the Dreamhacks. Not a Blizcon level of achievements to me, but I must be wrong. I'm salted to see this guy rated over Drogo, uThermal, Masa, Has and Harstem. Sorry for the off topic rant, I'll stop there.
He was more consistent and won his points fairly. In the end since his mean performance is worth more, we can expect him to perform better.
Has, seriously? xD
Drogo was consistent in his falling behind everyone else... Masa got better and better results but it wasn't enough... etc.
The thing is that Z performed better at the start for X reasons especially in EU/NA, so T/P had to catch up later but they unfortunately couldn't do it.
He is good at ZvZ tho so he has a better shot at beating Dark, who lost to Pet in bo3 (Blizzcon groups are bo3 right?), than everyone you quoted but uThermal maybe, as well as Nerchio who struggles in ZvZ.
I can understand the frustration for WCS KR because there were so little tourneys to actually play, but WCS had so many tourneys that if you didn't qualify (except maybe MLorD because he lost his points, maybe he could have done it otherwise?), you really didn't deserve it.
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On October 06 2016 04:01 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:1.  TY2.  Dark3.  Neeb4. ByuN5. Stats6. Patience7. Solar8. Zest9. Nerchio10. Dear11. Snute12. TRUE13. Polt14. ShoWTimE15. viOLet16. ElazerStats is always underrated in my opinion. Solar and Byun are always a little bit overrated in my opinion, especially considering Byun only has one big tourney win. Zest and Polt are really hard to say, depends which version of them shows up. Definitely pissed that the tourney starts with a GSL style group stage. That is not enough games!!!! What is the rush? The 500,000 dollars with still be given out at the end!!!
You realize the GSL style results in more games right? At min we get 40 games from ro16 gsl. From round of 16 bracket we get min 24. At max its 60 and 40 respectively.
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1. Dark
2. ByuN
3. TY
4. Neeb
5. Solar
6. Stats
7. Patience
8. Nerchio
9. Zest
10. Dear
11. Snute
12. TRUE
13. Showtime
14. Polt
15. Elazer
16. violet
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On October 06 2016 06:40 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 06:00 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 06 2016 05:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 06 2016 05:42 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 06 2016 05:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On October 06 2016 05:23 EvilsPresley wrote:On October 05 2016 19:43 ejozl wrote:
Fun fact best Blizzcon performance previously with players attending this Blizzcon is Polt and Dear with ro8's. Nah, the fun fact is that Elazer qualified to Blizcon with his best performance ever in a circuit event being a fucking Ro8. How can it be a serious tournament? Because he was lucky that Hydra cannot play. But also because consistently qualifying for every event is difficult and it is something the winners like Drogo, uThermal and Harstem couldn't do. No, he did qualify only for 1 event: WCS season 1, grabbing second spot of national qualifiers and then he was invited to S2 and S3 solely because he stayed barely top 8 after beating chinese/taiwanese players in previous seasons He also qualified for the Gold Series International, and made it through the open bracket of all the Dreamhacks. Not a Blizcon level of achievements to me, but I must be wrong. I'm salted to see this guy rated over Drogo, uThermal, Masa, Has and Harstem. Sorry for the off topic rant, I'll stop there. He was more consistent and won his points fairly. In the end since his mean performance is worth more, we can expect him to perform better. Has, seriously? xD Drogo was consistent in his falling behind everyone else... Masa got better and better results but it wasn't enough... etc. The thing is that Z performed better at the start for X reasons especially in EU/NA, so T/P had to catch up later but they unfortunately couldn't do it. He is good at ZvZ tho so he has a better shot at beating Dark, who lost to Pet in bo3 (Blizzcon groups are bo3 right?), than everyone you quoted but uThermal maybe, as well as Nerchio who struggles in ZvZ. I can understand the frustration for WCS KR because there were so little tourneys to actually play, but WCS had so many tourneys that if you didn't qualify (except maybe MLorD because he lost his points, maybe he could have done it otherwise?), you really didn't deserve it.
Just from briefly looking through the tournaments, Elazer qualified for the latter half of the tournaments primarily through his points rather than any of the qualifiers, and in the latter half of the year, he played just well enough to reach the ro16 or a bit higher, but he would rarely place above that. So, he has overall been more consistent, with better performances earlier in the year, but he has not really performed amazingly. The thing with drogo, uThermal, and Harstem is that they all won tournaments, and Harstem won two tournaments.
So it's like someone who is good but not great all the time versus someone who is great only part of the time and asking which is the better player. For some people, consistency is a huge thing in determining who "deserves" what, and for other people, it's what they have accomplished. Kind of like how herO has been very consistent in the starleagues, but he has rarely shown an amazing performance with only an SSL victory.
Though, I must say that even without looking at results, I would rate Elazer way over drogo, Masa, and Has. Harstem it's a bit debateable, because Harstem has shown pretty decent results outside of the main WCS tournaments. It's just unfortunate because Elazer has had relatively "alright" results, and I only expect him to perform "alright" at Blizzcon. But hey, sOs barely made it in last year, and he won the whole thing.
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Though, I must say that even without looking at results, I would rate Elazer way over drogo, Masa, and Has. Harstem it's a bit debateable, because Harstem has shown pretty decent results outside of the main WCS tournaments. It's just unfortunate because Elazer has had relatively "alright" results, and I only expect him to perform "alright" at Blizzcon. But hey, sOs barely made it in last year, and he won the whole thing.
I think you have something there. The truth is, if you take Neeb, Showtime, Nerchio, Elazer, uThermal, Masa, Ptitdrogo, Marinlord, Harstem.. their skill is pretty close and its impossible to say who will win. Korean players are also all within the reach of top foreign players. I'd say with the exception of Dark who is just amazing. However even he can fall to - say - Nerchio and Elazer.
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1. Dark
2. Neeb
3. Byun
4. TY
5. Stats
6. Solar
7. Patience
8. Dear
9. Snute
10. Nerchio
11. Zest
12. TRUE
13. Showtime
14. Polt
15. Elazer
16. Violet
It feels weird seeing people put Zest so highly when he's shown shit play after he won GSL. I ranked higher on current form than on overall results for the year which is why Polt/Zest is so low and Neeb/Snute/Stats are so high.
To the people saying Neeb needs to win a GSL/SSL before he should be rated so highly, this is a blizzcon ranking and considering that Kespa has a very similiar format so I'd say that a high ranking is deserved
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This sounds interesting. I wish you luck combing through all of the posts.
1. Dark
2. ByuN
3. Stats
4. Zest
5. Polt
6. Dear
7. TY
8. Neeb
9. Patience
10. Solar
11. TRUE
12. ShoWTimE
13. Elazer
14. Snute
15. Nerchio
16. viOLet
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01. Stats
02. Dark
03. ByuN
04. TY
05. Solar
06. Neeb
07. Patience
08. Nerchio
09. Zest
10. Dear
11. Snute
12. TRUE
13. ShoWTimE
14. Elazer
15. viOLet
16. PtitDrogo
I feel like Stats and Dark have the edge over TY and ByuN in weekend-style tournaments. Both have been doing great in Crossfinals and Starleagues, with Stats having better results in the recent Kespa Cup. The order of TY, ByuN and Solar is completely interchangeable, all 3 being more consistent than Neeb over the course of the last months. Patience and Nerchio have been doing well for themselves lately and are experienced enough in weekend tournaments to show somewhat good results at Blizzcon.
Zest has not looked good recently and Dear is hit or miss. Snute is pretty much on par with them, depending on his form. Everyone below him does not have a good enough chance to reach the Ro8 for them to be ranked higher.
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