EPTMy first reaction would be for infestors.
The way it could teleport AND use spells when burrowed will make them IMBA
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bObA
France300 Posts
My first reaction would be for infestors. The way it could teleport AND use spells when burrowed will make them IMBA | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
I'm really hoping they give hellion spider mines. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On August 15 2016 04:17 juvenal wrote: "We're crushing and burning, might as well try every retarded change we can think of" type of change, I like this attitude. I imagine pros do not. I like this Icefrog attitude right now. Although the game is in a better state than most previous metas, it's not perfect and a fresh shakeup is what it needs to spike viewership and avoid stagnation until the design and balance is in a better spot. At least we get a few months of testing starting this week to smooth things out. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
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architecture
United States643 Posts
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On August 15 2016 04:23 eviltomahawk wrote: I like this Icefrog attitude right now. Although the game is in a better state than most previous metas, it's not perfect and a fresh shakeup is what it needs to spike viewership and avoid stagnation until the design and balance is in a better spot. At least we get a few months of testing starting this week to smooth things out. Everything in the thread promotes more rewards to players for doing nothing but defending until a max army max economy. There is no way that will help viewership - it can't be possible. | ||
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Athenau
590 Posts
On August 15 2016 04:13 jinjin5000 wrote: Lets face it- nothings going to replace the utility vultures had with mines and its speed-I guess but I feel like bigger part of problem lies in lack of anti air for mech. Mech right now after this change won't have good way to deal with air- other than going air themselves. Thors do somewhat ok job at it but only against light air units- its High impact mode doesn't do much damage to justify making it for pure anti air counter- just as a generalist unit What air units do you think are going to be a problem? Broodlords no longer outrange thors (and aren't cost efficient if you're killing the broodlings), tempests got a range and supply nerf, carriers lost release interceptors and took a health nerf (from HotS where they weren't used at all). And all that's assuming that teching up to mass air deathballs is even viable anymore. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On August 15 2016 04:27 DomeGetta wrote: Everything in the thread promotes more rewards to players for doing nothing but defending until a max army max economy. There is no way that will help viewership - it can't be possible. The way how you mine out faster in lotv makes that kind of play pretty bad. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On August 15 2016 04:27 DomeGetta wrote: Everything in the thread promotes more rewards to players for doing nothing but defending until a max army max economy. There is no way that will help viewership - it can't be possible. Fewer resources per base already discourages hardcore turtling in LotV. | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On August 15 2016 04:28 royalroadweed wrote: The way how you mine out faster in lotv makes that kind of play pretty bad. In the current state absolutely - that's why nobody does it - but with these changes gtd the meta will settle out to waiting as long as u possibly can to grab ur 4th / 5th / 6th split map and see who can sit in their chair longer without hanging themself without attacking into their opponents defenders adv. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On August 15 2016 04:23 eviltomahawk wrote: I like this Icefrog attitude right now. Although the game is in a better state than most previous metas, it's not perfect and a fresh shakeup is what it needs to spike viewership and avoid stagnation until the design and balance is in a better spot. At least we get a few months of testing starting this week to smooth things out. Icefrog has a much better reputation as opposed to David Kim though. People look forward to Dota 2 patches, people dread SC2 patches. | ||
NonY
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jinjin5000
United States1560 Posts
On August 15 2016 04:27 Athenau wrote: What air units do you think are going to be a problem? Broodlords no longer outrange thors (and aren't cost efficient if you're killing the broodlings), tempests got a range and supply nerf, carriers lost release interceptors and took a health nerf (from HotS where they weren't used at all). And all that's assuming that teching up to mass air deathballs is even viable anymore. Thor actually does great vs brood lord at +2 attack until it gets to 10+ brood lord situation then it starts to get duck behind each other even with mass clearing. The thors size make them unable to fire at once Thor trades extremely inefficiently vs carriers. Like 1 for 2 or 3. Go test it yourself. Thor are terrible vs carriers even after the changes and 5 mineral interceptor will promote carriers and mech needs to turn to air for that if say 2-3 appears | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
So let's go back to the old SwarmHost? :D | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
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RedAlice
51 Posts
On August 15 2016 03:53 DomeGetta wrote: This is fucking retarded man - lets force terran players to mech and make end of Hots again when literally no one watched the game.. all the mech whining is so cancerous - play fucking protoss if you want to turtle all game and a move for the win. Nobody wants to watch 50 minute split map games. Period. I don't care if this makes terran stronger it makes the game so boring - and yah lets take tankivacs away which in the current meta are 100% necessary for holding multiple all ins in both non-mirrors- and the icing on the cake - absolutely no word on ultralisks the most fucked unit in the present meta - naw we'll just leave those alone..because in all likelihood they won't be imba anymore when every terran goes mech..guess it's time to find a new game after 6 years - thanks blizz Using bio simply wont help turtle if you watch snute.vs.uthermal or games like such | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
as long as tanks smart fire they will either suck in low numbers or dominate all ground when massed you know, like in heptacraft, which also has DT blink btw  | ||
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