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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 20:45:30
July 19 2016 20:45 GMT
#81
nice read but dont understand why stuchio is recycling his old MVP fanboy essays, is there nothing new to write about?
tritonice
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
July 19 2016 20:45 GMT
#82
I'm a huge Taeja fan, and I love the way he plays. But, I think the lack of a GSL title is a huge hole in his resume.
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 21:12:36
July 19 2016 21:11 GMT
#83
On July 20 2016 00:33 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 00:13 TheWinks wrote:
On July 19 2016 23:42 RKC wrote:
Also, doesn't the term 'dynasty' suggest some kind of lineage and succession? Weak title. Call MVP an 'Emperor' if you want (though the Boxer fanboys may revolt), but he sure didn't leave any dynasty.

Mvp changed the way terran was played and understood. Taeja was extremely creative and his understanding of the game and phenomenal execution led to his success, but it just remained Taeja's play. It didn't really push the meta forward or influence terran play on the whole. Mvp did.


That's 'legacy', quite different from 'dynasty'. 'Dynasty' means coaching and training up heirs to your throne. Or a master-apprentice connection. Like iloveoov and Fantasy being part of the SKT-Boxer dynasty in BW.

Anyway, enough about linguistics.

In a sense modern terran play is a descendant of Mvp's play and the use of the word dynasty better reflects this than legacy. You know exactly what he means by the use of the word and that's important thing. Until someone comes along and revolutionizes terran or blizzard changes terran enough to make it no longer relevant, we're still playing Mvp's terran.
On July 20 2016 01:49 Shellshock wrote:
The next stuchiu 1000 article is just going to be "Mvp" written 1000 times

I'll read it.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 19 2016 21:30 GMT
#84
On July 20 2016 05:45 tritonice wrote:
I'm a huge Taeja fan, and I love the way he plays. But, I think the lack of a GSL title is a huge hole in his resume.


Yeah I never consider Taeja the best Terran ever. I consider him a top Terran player for sure, but the best? No, him never winning GSL (don't think he ever made it to the finals either) really hurts him. When he played every event in NA and was dominating, well made sense as he wasn't playing all the best Korean players (I do know he beat them in some of the tournaments, but a majority would be foreigners).

When I think of something else, something will go here
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
July 20 2016 05:19 GMT
#85
On July 20 2016 06:30 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 05:45 tritonice wrote:
I'm a huge Taeja fan, and I love the way he plays. But, I think the lack of a GSL title is a huge hole in his resume.


Yeah I never consider Taeja the best Terran ever. I consider him a top Terran player for sure, but the best? No, him never winning GSL (don't think he ever made it to the finals either) really hurts him. When he played every event in NA and was dominating, well made sense as he wasn't playing all the best Korean players (I do know he beat them in some of the tournaments, but a majority would be foreigners).



Some of those events were seriously stacked. I think Taeja was just a master of the weekend tournament, his latest interview shows that mindset when he says he plays by instinct instead of planning or something like that. I think his game sense/talent is probably one of the very best and with better pre-game planning he could've well taken a GSL.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16100 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 06:13:47
July 20 2016 05:59 GMT
#86
TaeJa may have dominated only foreign tournaments but the aura of invincibility he had was incredible it felt like he couldn't lose at times even when facing Kespa pros.

How succesful he was and where you rank him in terms of achievements depends on personal criteria but I think when he played at his peak he was the strongest player of all time together with Life at his prime.
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Seedfan
Profile Joined July 2016
58 Posts
July 20 2016 07:27 GMT
#87
It really is such a shame that MVP got injured (not only because being injured sucks in general) - would have been interesting to see if a MVP at its best would be able to hold his own against today's competition.
Deleted User 132135
Profile Joined December 2010
702 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 13:47:46
July 20 2016 13:29 GMT
#88
Stuchio articles are always of the same scheme: First determine the desired result and then find and make up stuff for it.

Stuchio is 1. a grand TL bias, 2. a grand Terran bias and consequently 3. a grand MVP + Taeja bias. It is getting boring and old. Not worth to read it.
Chidoriiiii
Profile Joined January 2011
United States21 Posts
July 20 2016 13:56 GMT
#89
On July 20 2016 03:59 HugoBallzak wrote:
lol lots of mvp haterz. I feel like this game lost half its viewership when this guy hung it up.


I agree. I feel like sc2 took a big hit in popularity when Mvp had to retire. Games were exciting and the competitive spirit was amazing. One of few memorable experiences that are similar lately were MC's return and his Proleague debut as well as Taeja's 2016 GSL s2 ro32 games.

Right now, the most similar excitement for watching starcraft on the level of Mvp comes from watching great Terrans in BW games for the ASL. We kind of need another Mvp
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OveRtheStarS
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada69 Posts
July 20 2016 18:25 GMT
#90
You know there isn't much going on when MVP is still getting "new" write-ups.
If everyone loves you, you're not doing it right.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
July 20 2016 19:47 GMT
#91
For fairness, I should point out that this is one of 15 articles stu wrote back in November after BlizzCon weekend. I've been a bit lax in putting things out. Releasing a piece on Mvp has nothing to do with the number of stories generated by Legacy so far
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3553 Posts
July 20 2016 21:36 GMT
#92
On July 19 2016 23:42 RKC wrote:
Also, doesn't the term 'dynasty' suggest some kind of lineage and succession? Weak title. Call MVP an 'Emperor' if you want (though the Boxer fanboys may revolt), but he sure didn't leave any dynasty.

The title would've made more sense if it was 'Slayers Dynasty'. Trace the history from MMA to Dark. See? New storyline!

I think the point is that he's the King of Wings, thereby the word dynasty.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 20 2016 21:53 GMT
#93
The Twitter link for Stuchiu is broken by the way. TLstuchiu is a better tag then StuchiuWriter though to be fair.
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SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
July 21 2016 07:51 GMT
#94
MVP is the GOAT of eSports.

MVP is greater than Flash, Jaedong, Faker etc.

I hated Terran, but have to respect him for being on his class of his own when the game was super competitive with players like Nestea and MC etc.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19391 Posts
July 21 2016 19:08 GMT
#95
On July 21 2016 16:51 SuperFanBoy wrote:
MVP is the GOAT of eSports.

MVP is greater than Flash, Jaedong, Faker etc.

I hated Terran, but have to respect him for being on his class of his own when the game was super competitive with players like Nestea and MC etc.

You left Bisu off this for a reason. Good man.
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Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 19:44:21
July 22 2016 19:42 GMT
#96
On July 21 2016 16:51 SuperFanBoy wrote:
MVP is the GOAT of eSports.

MVP is greater than Flash, Jaedong, Faker etc.

I hated Terran, but have to respect him for being on his class of his own when the game was super competitive with players like Nestea and MC etc.

Agreed, he retired after all Kespa players transformed to SC2 only because he want to give them a chance, he would easily beat any top player like sOs, Zest, Classic, herO, Maru, Innovation, Life, soO in the HotS.
BTW, how many GSL seasons they had during WoL era?
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
July 22 2016 22:20 GMT
#97
is it safe to assume mvp has retired?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 23:36:14
July 22 2016 23:34 GMT
#98
On July 23 2016 04:42 Alarak89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 16:51 SuperFanBoy wrote:
MVP is the GOAT of eSports.

MVP is greater than Flash, Jaedong, Faker etc.

I hated Terran, but have to respect him for being on his class of his own when the game was super competitive with players like Nestea and MC etc.

Agreed, he retired after all Kespa players transformed to SC2 only because he want to give them a chance, he would easily beat any top player like sOs, Zest, Classic, herO, Maru, Innovation, Life, soO in the HotS.
BTW, how many GSL seasons they had during WoL era?

18 gsl seasons (if we count the two super tournaments, mvp and polt won those)
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 22 2016 23:39 GMT
#99
On July 23 2016 04:42 Alarak89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 16:51 SuperFanBoy wrote:
MVP is the GOAT of eSports.

MVP is greater than Flash, Jaedong, Faker etc.

I hated Terran, but have to respect him for being on his class of his own when the game was super competitive with players like Nestea and MC etc.

Agreed, he retired after all Kespa players transformed to SC2 only because he want to give them a chance, he would easily beat any top player like sOs, Zest, Classic, herO, Maru, Innovation, Life, soO in the HotS.
BTW, how many GSL seasons they had during WoL era?

Mvp retired because his condition was too creepling to play further.

But he also made sure to smack Bogus around that last time.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 23 2016 00:02 GMT
#100
Ok i will try it again, how can we say that Mvp dominated the whole year of 2011 when after his win of gsl january his following results were these:

17-24 gsl march
code a 2nd gsl may
17-32 gsl super tournament
17-24 gsl july

Yes he won that world championship tournament in april, but that's hardly dominating the scene overall when he only had 1 good result in 5 tournaments in the span of these 6 months.

In the same time frame Nestea did arguably better than Mvp
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
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