EPTI'm a big Mvp fan but there's no denying there is a simple explanation as to why Mvp could dominate so much during the period of two years early in SC2 history. Kespa hasn't switched yet at that point and SC2 was a lot less competitive than it became after his reign had ended. In many ways he peaked at the perfect time, he left the BW scene early and moved into SC2 becoming one of the most mechanically sound and smartest player. He had his opportunity and he took it with both hands, truly the first bonjwa of SC2. I do wonder at times what would happen if he hadn't been injured, he had a start over the later Kespa pros and would've given them a good run for their money.
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Khai
Australia553 Posts
I'm a big Mvp fan but there's no denying there is a simple explanation as to why Mvp could dominate so much during the period of two years early in SC2 history. Kespa hasn't switched yet at that point and SC2 was a lot less competitive than it became after his reign had ended. In many ways he peaked at the perfect time, he left the BW scene early and moved into SC2 becoming one of the most mechanically sound and smartest player. He had his opportunity and he took it with both hands, truly the first bonjwa of SC2. I do wonder at times what would happen if he hadn't been injured, he had a start over the later Kespa pros and would've given them a good run for their money. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4560 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 19 2016 19:45 Khai wrote: Funny reading this and getting reminded of Life denying Mvp his G5L trophy, my biggest regret as an Mvp fan. Wish Mvp did take that G5L trophy but his glory is still beyond anyone else without it. I cringe putting Life and Mvp in the same sentence seeing how Life later threw it all away. I'm a big Mvp fan but there's no denying there is a simple explanation as to why Mvp could dominate so much during the period of two years early in SC2 history. Kespa hasn't switched yet at that point and SC2 was a lot less competitive than it became after his reign had ended. In many ways he peaked at the perfect time, he left the BW scene early and moved into SC2 becoming one of the most mechanically sound and smartest player. He had his opportunity and he took it with both hands, truly the first bonjwa of SC2. I do wonder at times what would happen if he hadn't been injured, he had a start over the later Kespa pros and would've given them a good run for their money. Yea, Life really put a stop to a lot of potentially incredibly storylines - Mvp winning G5L, MMA winning Blizzcon in 2014, Flash winning the first MLG of HotS. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Are there no other present-day storylines to write about, instead of rehashing old ones? Yes, it may get us all misty-eyed nostalgic, and maybe reignite the passion of older fan-boys who stopped following SC2 (which I doubt this article will bring them back anyway). Instead, I see this article as being a disservice to the current community. The implied message is that today's players are not worth raving and writing about, their achievements will always pale in comparison of the old legends, and essentially the state of SC2 is stagnant or dying. Yes, that's really the feeling I get when I read an article like this: the game is dying, and all we can do is celebrate the past. I know that's never the intention of the writer, but it sure comes out that way. How about Zest? Inno? Stats? Maru? The list goes on. The piece doesn't have to be on dominance, it could be on anything - their recent achievements, innovative plays, etc. Sheesh! Stop singing praises on MVP and Taeja already. We've heard them many times before, and they're still ringing in our ears. Sure, our inner fanboyism is a good source of inspiration, but the hallmark of a great writer is to be able to write about anything objectively. Sorry about the rant. The only reason I'm ranting is that I do admire the work done by TL writers including stuchiu, and hold them to high standards. Please don't stop writing. But please try writing more on new interesting storylines! | ||
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theinfamousone
United States103 Posts
But yeah, no Innovation even honorably mentioned? I guess I can kind of understand since even though he's won lots of tournaments since 2013, he's always been near the top and while he has usually been disputably considered the best, he has come in second quite a few times or gone done in Ro4s etc. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
The title would've made more sense if it was 'Slayers Dynasty'. Trace the history from MMA to Dark. See? New storyline! | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On July 19 2016 22:52 RKC wrote: Agreed with most of the posters. Why this again, why now, what's the point? Are there no other present-day storylines to write about, instead of rehashing old ones? Yes, it may get us all misty-eyed nostalgic, and maybe reignite the passion of older fan-boys who stopped following SC2 (which I doubt this article will bring them back anyway). Instead, I see this article as being a disservice to the current community. The implied message is that today's players are not worth raving and writing about, their achievements will always pale in comparison of the old legends, and essentially the state of SC2 is stagnant or dying. Yes, that's really the feeling I get when I read an article like this: the game is dying, and all we can do is celebrate the past. I know that's never the intention of the writer, but it sure comes out that way. How about Zest? Inno? Stats? Maru? The list goes on. The piece doesn't have to be on dominance, it could be on anything - their recent achievements, innovative plays, etc. Sheesh! Stop singing praises on MVP and Taeja already. We've heard them many times before, and they're still ringing in our ears. Sure, our inner fanboyism is a good source of inspiration, but the hallmark of a great writer is to be able to write about anything objectively. Sorry about the rant. The only reason I'm ranting is that I do admire the work done by TL writers including stuchiu, and hold them to high standards. Please don't stop writing. But please try writing more on new interesting storylines! Hmm I didn't feel that way, but maybe you are right, some people can get that implied message. But don't be so hard on stuchiu, iirc the last piece he wrote was about Zest so it's not all about the legends of the past. Anyways stu I demand a Stats article!!!! cmon he deserves it  | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On July 19 2016 23:42 RKC wrote: Also, doesn't the term 'dynasty' suggest some kind of lineage and succession? Weak title. Call MVP an 'Emperor' if you want (though the Boxer fanboys may revolt), but he sure didn't leave any dynasty. Mvp changed the way terran was played and understood. Taeja was extremely creative and his understanding of the game and phenomenal execution led to his success, but it just remained Taeja's play. It didn't really push the meta forward or influence terran play on the whole. Mvp did. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 20 2016 00:13 Silvana wrote: Hmm I didn't feel that way, but maybe you are right, some people can get that implied message. But don't be so hard on stuchiu, iirc the last piece he wrote was about Zest so it's not all about the legends of the past. Anyways stu I demand a Stats article!!!! cmon he deserves it Well he got some shit for the Zest article, too, because he prematurely declared him the "last titan". But yeah, a Stats article would be nice. Maybe make it a double feature with Classic. "How We Got Good And Nobody Cared" | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On July 20 2016 00:19 Elentos wrote: Well he got some shit for the Zest article, too, because he prematurely declared him the "last titan". But yeah, a Stats article would be nice. Maybe make it a double feature with Classic. "How We Got Good And Nobody Cared" 'Last titan' carries the same "SC2 is dead" tone that I mentioned. But it was a great and refreshing article, content-wise! I feel bad for Classic - not enough love. And what about Rain? Surely he deserves a piece! But since we're in doomsday mood, just write one on Dark being the "Last Larva Of The Swarm" already! | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On July 20 2016 00:13 TheWinks wrote: Mvp changed the way terran was played and understood. Taeja was extremely creative and his understanding of the game and phenomenal execution led to his success, but it just remained Taeja's play. It didn't really push the meta forward or influence terran play on the whole. Mvp did. That's 'legacy', quite different from 'dynasty'. 'Dynasty' means coaching and training up heirs to your throne. Or a master-apprentice connection. Like iloveoov and Fantasy being part of the SKT-Boxer dynasty in BW. Anyway, enough about linguistics. | ||
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insitelol
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buchh
38 Posts
I thought this was going to be about MarineLorD. yeah me too... because the final game where he lost was the only one he didn't do crazy planning for that tourny... :D EDIT: very MVPesque | ||
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buchh
38 Posts
another cool fact.. his previous team, and TaeJa in his pre interview, BOTH predicted he'd go out in the ro32... | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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megatroneo
41 Posts
On July 20 2016 01:49 Shellshock wrote: The next stuchiu 1000 article is just going to be "Mvp" written 1000 times tl;dr: TaeMVPJa | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 20 2016 01:49 Shellshock wrote: The next stuchiu 1000 article is just going to be "Mvp" written 1000 times Word 666 will be Sniper and he'll throw in a Has somewhere, too. | ||
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
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Creager
Germany1962 Posts
On July 20 2016 03:59 HugoBallzak wrote: lol lots of mvp haterz. I feel like this game lost half its viewership when this guy hung it up. I don't think people hate on Mvp, they just are dissappointed that there's nothing comparable to the glory days of SC2  | ||
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