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On July 19 2016 09:42 IMSupervisor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2016 08:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 19 2016 07:47 Silvana wrote:On July 19 2016 07:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[...] haha you're that bored that you're looking for a fight? I'll help you pick up one quite fast: SOS SUCKS MARU SUCKS JIN AIR WORST KT No i am looking to argue about the statements made in the article instead of either saying "wow stuchiu you are the best" or "wow stuchiu you suck" I am not interested in either of those two tbh  I don't think there is any value to these articles if it isn't dicsussed afterwards, stuchiu's word isn't inherently correct/wrong. Do you also hold that opinion for novels? Poems? Textbooks? Of course people find value in reading.
What do you mean? If you don't engage with what you just read it is pretty pointless, yes. Considering that we are on a discussion forum i would suspect people to discuss the content they just read.
Instead most people simply post "great work stuchiu" or "stuchiu so biased lol"
I mean sure if nobody wants to actually engage my point that is fine, disappointing but fine nonetheless.
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I am very glad to have witnessed Mvp's reign. His plays were the most inspiring plays I have witnessed from SC2. He was the proof that pure strategies could win you not only games but championships. He freaking won his last GSL when protoss were crushing terrans left and right. Parting was almost unbeatable in TvP back then until he faced Mvp.
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The grand daddy of SC2 terran
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Thank you for this article. Very well written. I liked it. All Hail Mvpwee !
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Great article! Other players should try to reinvent themselves from time to time.
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another fanboy article who ignores the fact that half of mvp's tournament wins were when terran was absurdly overpowered but anyways, I am already used to stu's fanboyism.
despite that fact, tho, stu is a great writer.
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Love his games so much, wish he would return.
I still remember him being able to play mech bio mech equally well and each with its own greedy and cheesy and macro build.
It was never boring to watch his games.
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Shhhh, dont comme here with your facts. Mvp was trash tier in 2012. He accidentally went to the game finals twice, so there's really nothing to see here.
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Bogus' name should replace soO's in this article. MVP IS BOSS
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Mvp was to sc2 as Nada was to BW. Both peaked early in their career, but kept coming back to win tournaments or at least make deep runs. As such, neither could truly be counted out until they retired.
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I knew today was going to be a good day 
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On July 19 2016 10:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2016 09:42 IMSupervisor wrote:On July 19 2016 08:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 19 2016 07:47 Silvana wrote:On July 19 2016 07:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[...] haha you're that bored that you're looking for a fight? I'll help you pick up one quite fast: SOS SUCKS MARU SUCKS JIN AIR WORST KT No i am looking to argue about the statements made in the article instead of either saying "wow stuchiu you are the best" or "wow stuchiu you suck" I am not interested in either of those two tbh I don't think there is any value to these articles if it isn't dicsussed afterwards, stuchiu's word isn't inherently correct/wrong. Do you also hold that opinion for novels? Poems? Textbooks? Of course people find value in reading. What do you mean? If you don't engage with what you just read it is pretty pointless, yes. Considering that we are on a discussion forum i would suspect people to discuss the content they just read. Instead most people simply post "great work stuchiu" or "stuchiu so biased lol" I mean sure if nobody wants to actually engage my point that is fine, disappointing but fine nonetheless.
You are an example of a person who has read the article and wants to discuss\share their point of view. The people saying thank you are examples of people who read the article and have no desire to share their point of view. You said "I don't think there is any value to these articles if it isn't dicsussed afterwards", but I think there is. I also think it's great that each article has a discussion that follows it with people bringing further detail to light.
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The first time I saw Mvp play was at Blizzcon 2013... I remeber everyone being super hyped about his match and said it was going to be the best match of the day, but he lost 0-3 (to JD I think)...
So, I was a little bit confused. I didn't know of any of his accomplishments, since I hadn't followed SC2 prior to that tournament. I went back and watched some of the old GSL VODs... Damn... He really was good... That was the most entertaining weekend of SC2 I have ever experienced (even up to this point), and it wasn't due to the actual Blizzcon, but due to old VODs od Mvp...
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I was a Toss until I saw what MVP and Taeja doing... Now Im happy for being a Terran
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Great read
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It's good to have enthusiasm, but the "legend chants" about MVP has gotten old very quick.
For those who are new to SC2, MVP was dominant in the most imbalanced period of SC2 history. For proof, check the GSL race charts from MVPs "years of dominance" and see that it's not only MVP who was dominant, he was joined by buckets upon buckets of Terran, with a regular occurrence of 40-50% Terrans in GSL Code S. This was when GSL was (non-jokingly) called "GomTvT" because of the endless Terran vs Terran matches.
It was also called GomTvT because TvTs lasted longer than the other matchups - most Terrans specialized in easy 1-base game ending pressures against Zerg and Protoss. MVP was no exception. The last thing he was famous for in SC2 was mass one base hellions. ("How brilliant! What a legend!")
And yes, this ridiculous situation lasted for 2-3 years, and is a significant amount of the reason why SC2s player numbers dropped like a stone in the immediate months after game release. Most SC2 friends I know dropped out of SC2 in 2010-2011, precisely because of the Terran advantage on ladder.
Anyway:
For non-Terrans that watched MVP play, sure, he was good at his early pressures with followup. But it was much more entertaining, not to mention, more impressive, to see race underdogs like Nestea and MC invent new stuff, claw through the Terran advantage, and win tournaments against the odds. So those two names will for me (and very many others) be far superior to MVP in terms of early SC2 history (and as legends go, MC is much, much bigger than MVP in SC2 history).
Again: I like indepth articles and building up SC2 heroes - but one "MVP is a legend"-article was more than enough.
MVPs string of wins signifies for many, including me, a tragedy for SC2. The Terran dominance in 2010-2012, and the "Terran exceptionalism" (the idea that Terrans players are better than the other races and should have a higher win rate) has leaked into and negatively affected LOTV. It's an important reason why SC2's popularity curve has been diminished over the years.
With MVPs quick exit from the game after it started balancing out, there's no doubt that the imbalances played a fundamental role in his achievements.
I think we should look for other legends than the "patch legend" MVP. Subtracting the racial bias, Nestea was better at the game, as was MC. Like it or not, but a significant amount of SC2s fans will agree on this.
MVP fanboys responding to this post will be ignored.
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I watched the State of Play: Rise of The King documentary last week as it had the free premiere and was surprised to learn that Mvp's health issues seemed to already be really bad in 2011. His unparalleled achievements seem even more incredible considering that. Life used to be the only other player I felt got close but now he's made them all meaningless for me.
Other things that stood out in that doc for me was a very similar statement to JD's about playing for work without fun in the KeSPA system but the difference being that things started going well when he could practice on his own terms for SC2 and actually enjoy it. Also his fear that Korean SC2 would get taken over by the big corporations running the KeSPA teams has happened but then again it doesn't matter for him anymore and it's far from the worst development anyway...
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MVP is good and Maru will pick up his legacy.
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Please write one of these articles about Nestea too!!
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