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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 19 2016 01:04 GMT
#41
On July 19 2016 09:42 IMSupervisor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 08:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 19 2016 07:47 Silvana wrote:
On July 19 2016 07:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[...]


haha you're that bored that you're looking for a fight? I'll help you pick up one quite fast:

SOS SUCKS MARU SUCKS JIN AIR WORST KT

No i am looking to argue about the statements made in the article instead of either saying "wow stuchiu you are the best" or "wow stuchiu you suck"
I am not interested in either of those two tbh


I don't think there is any value to these articles if it isn't dicsussed afterwards, stuchiu's word isn't inherently correct/wrong.



Do you also hold that opinion for novels? Poems? Textbooks? Of course people find value in reading.


What do you mean? If you don't engage with what you just read it is pretty pointless, yes. Considering that we are on a discussion forum i would suspect people to discuss the content they just read.
Instead most people simply post "great work stuchiu" or "stuchiu so biased lol"


I mean sure if nobody wants to actually engage my point that is fine, disappointing but fine nonetheless.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 01:22:44
July 19 2016 01:16 GMT
#42
I am very glad to have witnessed Mvp's reign. His plays were the most inspiring plays I have witnessed from SC2. He was the proof that pure strategies could win you not only games but championships. He freaking won his last GSL when protoss were crushing terrans left and right. Parting was almost unbeatable in TvP back then until he faced Mvp.
Lightrush
Profile Joined July 2015
Bulgaria164 Posts
July 19 2016 01:47 GMT
#43
The grand daddy of SC2 terran
User was warned for this post
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
July 19 2016 01:48 GMT
#44
Thank you for this article. Very well written. I liked it. All Hail Mvpwee !
Nestea fightingg ! DRG fightingggg !! Sen fightinggg ! July fighting ! SoO fighting !
scoo2r
Profile Joined December 2015
Canada91 Posts
July 19 2016 02:14 GMT
#45
Great article! Other players should try to reinvent themselves from time to time.
Another day, another depot.
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
July 19 2016 02:18 GMT
#46
another fanboy article who ignores the fact that half of mvp's tournament wins were when terran was absurdly overpowered but anyways, I am already used to stu's fanboyism.

despite that fact, tho, stu is a great writer.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
July 19 2016 03:22 GMT
#47
Love his games so much, wish he would return.
I still remember him being able to play mech bio mech equally well and each with its own greedy and cheesy and macro build.
It was never boring to watch his games.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
shortistuff
Profile Joined December 2013
Australia14 Posts
July 19 2016 03:46 GMT
#48
Although I agree that MVP was not "dominating" the entirety of 2012, he was still the best overall player in the GSL for the year according to their ranking system. To me then he was overall the best Korean player of 2012.
GSL ranking: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Global_StarCraft_II_League/Rankings#Current_Rankings
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
July 19 2016 04:12 GMT
#49
On July 19 2016 12:46 shortistuff wrote:
Although I agree that MVP was not "dominating" the entirety of 2012, he was still the best overall player in the GSL for the year according to their ranking system. To me then he was overall the best Korean player of 2012.
GSL ranking: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Global_StarCraft_II_League/Rankings#Current_Rankings

Shhhh, dont comme here with your facts. Mvp was trash tier in 2012. He accidentally went to the game finals twice, so there's really nothing to see here.
CptMarvel
Profile Joined May 2014
France236 Posts
July 19 2016 04:42 GMT
#50
Bogus' name should replace soO's in this article. MVP IS BOSS
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 19 2016 05:06 GMT
#51
Mvp was to sc2 as Nada was to BW. Both peaked early in their career, but kept coming back to win tournaments or at least make deep runs. As such, neither could truly be counted out until they retired.
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
July 19 2016 05:22 GMT
#52
I knew today was going to be a good day
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
IMSupervisor
Profile Joined June 2016
Australia138 Posts
July 19 2016 06:23 GMT
#53
On July 19 2016 10:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 09:42 IMSupervisor wrote:
On July 19 2016 08:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 19 2016 07:47 Silvana wrote:
On July 19 2016 07:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[...]


haha you're that bored that you're looking for a fight? I'll help you pick up one quite fast:

SOS SUCKS MARU SUCKS JIN AIR WORST KT

No i am looking to argue about the statements made in the article instead of either saying "wow stuchiu you are the best" or "wow stuchiu you suck"
I am not interested in either of those two tbh


I don't think there is any value to these articles if it isn't dicsussed afterwards, stuchiu's word isn't inherently correct/wrong.



Do you also hold that opinion for novels? Poems? Textbooks? Of course people find value in reading.


What do you mean? If you don't engage with what you just read it is pretty pointless, yes. Considering that we are on a discussion forum i would suspect people to discuss the content they just read.
Instead most people simply post "great work stuchiu" or "stuchiu so biased lol"


I mean sure if nobody wants to actually engage my point that is fine, disappointing but fine nonetheless.


You are an example of a person who has read the article and wants to discuss\share their point of view. The people saying thank you are examples of people who read the article and have no desire to share their point of view. You said "I don't think there is any value to these articles if it isn't dicsussed afterwards", but I think there is. I also think it's great that each article has a discussion that follows it with people bringing further detail to light.
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
July 19 2016 06:26 GMT
#54
The first time I saw Mvp play was at Blizzcon 2013... I remeber everyone being super hyped about his match and said it was going to be the best match of the day, but he lost 0-3 (to JD I think)...
So, I was a little bit confused. I didn't know of any of his accomplishments, since I hadn't followed SC2 prior to that tournament. I went back and watched some of the old GSL VODs... Damn... He really was good... That was the most entertaining weekend of SC2 I have ever experienced (even up to this point), and it wasn't due to the actual Blizzcon, but due to old VODs od Mvp...
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
imCHIEN
Profile Joined January 2016
14 Posts
July 19 2016 06:28 GMT
#55
I was a Toss until I saw what MVP and Taeja doing... Now Im happy for being a Terran
gab12
Profile Joined June 2016
Poland147 Posts
July 19 2016 07:20 GMT
#56
Great read
partysnatcher
Profile Joined August 2010
156 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 08:51:10
July 19 2016 07:29 GMT
#57
It's good to have enthusiasm, but the "legend chants" about MVP has gotten old very quick.

For those who are new to SC2, MVP was dominant in the most imbalanced period of SC2 history. For proof, check the GSL race charts from MVPs "years of dominance" and see that it's not only MVP who was dominant, he was joined by buckets upon buckets of Terran, with a regular occurrence of 40-50% Terrans in GSL Code S. This was when GSL was (non-jokingly) called "GomTvT" because of the endless Terran vs Terran matches.

It was also called GomTvT because TvTs lasted longer than the other matchups - most Terrans specialized in easy 1-base game ending pressures against Zerg and Protoss. MVP was no exception. The last thing he was famous for in SC2 was mass one base hellions. ("How brilliant! What a legend!")

And yes, this ridiculous situation lasted for 2-3 years, and is a significant amount of the reason why SC2s player numbers dropped like a stone in the immediate months after game release. Most SC2 friends I know dropped out of SC2 in 2010-2011, precisely because of the Terran advantage on ladder.

Anyway:

For non-Terrans that watched MVP play, sure, he was good at his early pressures with followup. But it was much more entertaining, not to mention, more impressive, to see race underdogs like Nestea and MC invent new stuff, claw through the Terran advantage, and win tournaments against the odds. So those two names will for me (and very many others) be far superior to MVP in terms of early SC2 history (and as legends go, MC is much, much bigger than MVP in SC2 history).

Again: I like indepth articles and building up SC2 heroes - but one "MVP is a legend"-article was more than enough.

MVPs string of wins signifies for many, including me, a tragedy for SC2. The Terran dominance in 2010-2012, and the "Terran exceptionalism" (the idea that Terrans players are better than the other races and should have a higher win rate) has leaked into and negatively affected LOTV. It's an important reason why SC2's popularity curve has been diminished over the years.

With MVPs quick exit from the game after it started balancing out, there's no doubt that the imbalances played a fundamental role in his achievements.

I think we should look for other legends than the "patch legend" MVP. Subtracting the racial bias, Nestea was better at the game, as was MC. Like it or not, but a significant amount of SC2s fans will agree on this.

MVP fanboys responding to this post will be ignored.
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
July 19 2016 09:09 GMT
#58
I watched the State of Play: Rise of The King documentary last week as it had the free premiere and was surprised to learn that Mvp's health issues seemed to already be really bad in 2011. His unparalleled achievements seem even more incredible considering that. Life used to be the only other player I felt got close but now he's made them all meaningless for me.

Other things that stood out in that doc for me was a very similar statement to JD's about playing for work without fun in the KeSPA system but the difference being that things started going well when he could practice on his own terms for SC2 and actually enjoy it. Also his fear that Korean SC2 would get taken over by the big corporations running the KeSPA teams has happened but then again it doesn't matter for him anymore and it's far from the worst development anyway...
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 19 2016 09:19 GMT
#59
MVP is good and Maru will pick up his legacy.
maru lover forever
sfbaydave
Profile Joined May 2011
United States32 Posts
July 19 2016 09:21 GMT
#60
Please write one of these articles about Nestea too!!
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