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On July 23 2016 09:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok i will try it again, how can we say that Mvp dominated the whole year of 2011 when after his win of gsl january his following results were these:
17-24 gsl march
code a 2nd gsl may
17-32 gsl super tournament
17-24 gsl july
Yes he won that world championship tournament in april, but that's hardly dominating the scene overall when he only had 1 good result in 5 tournaments in the span of these 6 months.
In the same time frame Nestea did arguably better than Mvp
Wait. I'm hearing stories about the mighty Mvp since I joined this forum. But that's all he did in his dominant period?? Really? O.o
I had suspected that a part of Mvp's greatness was in fact due to the pink tinted glasses of nostalgic fans. But this is more than just a bit of pinkness!
Edit: Wait again. I'm looking at liquipedia and he also won a Code S in August. And was 2nd in October and a semifinalist in November.
Edit 2: hahaha the amount of Terran in those brackets :D
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On July 23 2016 08:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 04:42 Alarak89 wrote:On July 21 2016 16:51 SuperFanBoy wrote:
MVP is the GOAT of eSports.
MVP is greater than Flash, Jaedong, Faker etc.
I hated Terran, but have to respect him for being on his class of his own when the game was super competitive with players like Nestea and MC etc. Agreed, he retired after all Kespa players transformed to SC2 only because he want to give them a chance, he would easily beat any top player like sOs, Zest, Classic, herO, Maru, Innovation, Life, soO in the HotS. BTW, how many GSL seasons they had during WoL era? 18 gsl seasons (if we count the two super tournaments, mvp and polt won those)
OK, so that number is still much bigger than GSL seasons in HotS, right? Can I conclude the situation is unfair to those guys I mentioned above?
Because of these large amount of GSL seasons, "champions" like Seed, Roro, Sniper, jjakji arose, also players like Mvp, Nestea, DRG, MC are becoming "legends", but where are they and how they performed after Kespa transformed into SC2 completely? Seems like I have to admit that the competition level must be very high back then.
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On July 23 2016 10:49 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok i will try it again, how can we say that Mvp dominated the whole year of 2011 when after his win of gsl january his following results were these:
17-24 gsl march
code a 2nd gsl may
17-32 gsl super tournament
17-24 gsl july
Yes he won that world championship tournament in april, but that's hardly dominating the scene overall when he only had 1 good result in 5 tournaments in the span of these 6 months.
In the same time frame Nestea did arguably better than Mvp
Wait. I'm hearing stories about the mighty Mvp since I joined this forum. But that's all he did in his dominant period?? Really? O.o I had suspected that a part of Mvp's greatness was in fact due to the pink tinted glasses of nostalgic fans. But this is more than just a bit of pinkness! Edit: Wait again. I'm looking at liquipedia and he also won a Code S in August. And was 2nd in October and a semifinalist in November. Edit 2: hahaha the amount of Terran in those brackets :D
Nah i am not saying he didn't win stuff after, etc
I am saying that in the time period from his january win to his august win his results weren't really that great. I bet people wouldn't include such a time period for other players when talking about domination. That's my point.
edit: which means that the "2 years of dominance" is extreme hyperbole because when we also remove february 2011 - august 2011 we essentially come to around 6 months of dominance rather than a year (2011) or even two years as stuchiu claims.
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On July 23 2016 11:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 10:49 Silvana wrote:On July 23 2016 09:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok i will try it again, how can we say that Mvp dominated the whole year of 2011 when after his win of gsl january his following results were these:
17-24 gsl march
code a 2nd gsl may
17-32 gsl super tournament
17-24 gsl july
Yes he won that world championship tournament in april, but that's hardly dominating the scene overall when he only had 1 good result in 5 tournaments in the span of these 6 months.
In the same time frame Nestea did arguably better than Mvp
Wait. I'm hearing stories about the mighty Mvp since I joined this forum. But that's all he did in his dominant period?? Really? O.o I had suspected that a part of Mvp's greatness was in fact due to the pink tinted glasses of nostalgic fans. But this is more than just a bit of pinkness! Edit: Wait again. I'm looking at liquipedia and he also won a Code S in August. And was 2nd in October and a semifinalist in November. Edit 2: hahaha the amount of Terran in those brackets :D Nah i am not saying he didn't win stuff after, etc I am saying that in the time period from his january win to his august win his results weren't really that great. I bet people wouldn't include such a time period for other players when talking about domination. That's my point.
Oh I get it now. Yeah looking at the liquipedia page he doesn't seem to have done anything relevant. But that's where the intangibles enter the equation like changing the meta, innovating builds, fight like Rambo with all his injuries, etc.
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I don't see how this affects the situation too much though. If you cannot win with your "innovations" then what's the point?
Maybe my "only results matter" pov is flawed somewhat, but at the end of the day i think it's closer to 'the truth' (if there is such a thing) then adding intangible achievements to the list to get to the point you want to end 
So yeah i still think Mvp is overhyped in the context of sc2. Even though he clearly was a beast at one point.
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On July 23 2016 10:49 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok i will try it again, how can we say that Mvp dominated the whole year of 2011 when after his win of gsl january his following results were these:
17-24 gsl march
code a 2nd gsl may
17-32 gsl super tournament
17-24 gsl july
Yes he won that world championship tournament in april, but that's hardly dominating the scene overall when he only had 1 good result in 5 tournaments in the span of these 6 months.
In the same time frame Nestea did arguably better than Mvp
Wait. I'm hearing stories about the mighty Mvp since I joined this forum. But that's all he did in his dominant period?? Really? O.o I had suspected that a part of Mvp's greatness was in fact due to the pink tinted glasses of nostalgic fans. But this is more than just a bit of pinkness! Edit: Wait again. I'm looking at liquipedia and he also won a Code S in August. And was 2nd in October and a semifinalist in November. Edit 2: hahaha the amount of Terran in those brackets :D
Oh make no mistake, Mvp was still a monster that year. Thing is, in 2011 we were just ridiculously spoiled with the amount of starcraft going on. We had 8 GSLs in 2011 alone, not to mention several MLGs, WCG, Blizzcon, GSTL, DH, IPL, Blizzard Cup, the GSL WC, and miscellaneous major tournaments sprinkled all over the place.
So you can look at it as having many more opportunities for success, but it's also more room to slip up and be criticized as Red_Viper is pointing out. The amount of time for his shortcomings listed here:
17-24 gsl march
code a 2nd gsl may
17-32 gsl super tournament
17-24 gsl july
is about equivalent to being off his game for a WCS Season (2013-2015, 3 per year system). Even then though, he won his WC and only lost to Bomber in his code A exile (top 3 Terran during that period).So it wasn't the biggest blemish.
No he didn't dominate like a bonjwa with wave after wave of godlike results for the entirety of 2011, but he was by far the most dominant player of 2011 overall and had probably the greatest peak aside from Life's second. To be precise, Mvp's god form was activated as soon as he won MLG Anaheim. That's when he really went on an almost unbeatable streak. Would've very likely won 3 consecutive GSLs if it weren't for MMA and Leenock.
His Stats from MLG Anaheim onward
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On July 23 2016 13:25 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 10:49 Silvana wrote:On July 23 2016 09:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok i will try it again, how can we say that Mvp dominated the whole year of 2011 when after his win of gsl january his following results were these:
17-24 gsl march
code a 2nd gsl may
17-32 gsl super tournament
17-24 gsl july
Yes he won that world championship tournament in april, but that's hardly dominating the scene overall when he only had 1 good result in 5 tournaments in the span of these 6 months.
In the same time frame Nestea did arguably better than Mvp
Wait. I'm hearing stories about the mighty Mvp since I joined this forum. But that's all he did in his dominant period?? Really? O.o I had suspected that a part of Mvp's greatness was in fact due to the pink tinted glasses of nostalgic fans. But this is more than just a bit of pinkness! Edit: Wait again. I'm looking at liquipedia and he also won a Code S in August. And was 2nd in October and a semifinalist in November. Edit 2: hahaha the amount of Terran in those brackets :D Oh make no mistake, Mvp was still a monster that year. Thing is, in 2011 we were just ridiculously spoiled with the amount of starcraft going on. We had 8 GSLs in 2011 alone, not to mention several MLGs, WCG, Blizzcon, GSTL, DH, IPL, Blizzard Cup, the GSL WC, and miscellaneous major tournaments sprinkled all over the place. So you can look at it as having many more opportunities for success, but it's also more room to slip up and be criticized as Red_Viper is pointing out. The amount of time for his shortcomings listed here: is about equivalent to being off his game for a WCS Season (2013-2015, 3 per year system). Even then though, he won his WC and only lost to Bomber in his code A exile (top 3 Terran during that period).So it wasn't the biggest blemish. No he didn't dominate like a bonjwa with wave after wave of godlike results for the entirety of 2011, but he was by far the most dominant player of 2011 overall and had probably the greatest peak aside from Life's second. To be precise, Mvp's god form was activated as soon as he won MLG Anaheim. That's when he really went on an almost unbeatable streak. Would've very likely won 3 consecutive GSLs if it weren't for MMA and Leenock. His Stats from MLG Anaheim onward
But wouldn't you agree that from February till August his results were rather weak for "dominating" the scene?
Shouldn't we therefore exclude this time period from his "reign" because it doesn't really make sense to include it?
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Great article, I wish we could see a MVP return in LOTV, would be interesting to see how he'd go if he could recapture his best form in the new meta
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Great read, ty! 
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