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ShdwHntr84
Profile Joined July 2016
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 04:15:09
July 13 2016 04:10 GMT
#1
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Krystal
Profile Joined April 2012
New Zealand67 Posts
July 13 2016 04:12 GMT
#2
This is my favourite thread ever
"There are two things in life: Things I understand and Things Wizards must have done."
ShdwHntr84
Profile Joined July 2016
5 Posts
July 13 2016 04:12 GMT
#3
I know right?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 13 2016 04:20 GMT
#4
So i'll probably get a promotion when i start laddering again. sweet
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
CycoDude
Profile Joined November 2010
United States326 Posts
July 13 2016 05:13 GMT
#5
i dunno, i was in gold now i'm in diamond...it doesn't seem right to me.
fteneq
Profile Joined August 2012
United States49 Posts
July 13 2016 06:11 GMT
#6
Won my one placement game and went from former mid plat to Plat 1. MMR was ~3700 if I remember correctly. Going to have to try to get myself into diamond for the first time ever!

GLHF to everybody!
"For the Overmind"
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 13 2016 06:19 GMT
#7
what really surprises me is that they seem to have decided that people can't handle being in bronze... at all
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
ShdwHntr84
Profile Joined July 2016
5 Posts
July 13 2016 06:30 GMT
#8
On July 13 2016 15:19 CursOr wrote:
what really surprises me is that they seem to have decided that people can't handle being in bronze... at all

Bronze has developed such a negative meaning that it seems they want to make it as small a league as possible. The less people in bronze the better?
ShdwHntr84
Profile Joined July 2016
5 Posts
July 13 2016 06:31 GMT
#9
On July 13 2016 13:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So i'll probably get a promotion when i start laddering again. sweet

Probably. I went from gold to plat 2 today :D.
ihatevideogames
Profile Joined August 2015
570 Posts
July 13 2016 06:37 GMT
#10
It seems strange to me.
I was plat last season and winning 70% of my games, playing mostly vs diamond players. It gave me plat 1 this season and I'm currently 3-25. The heck is going on, is it the new maps or did the plat league get that much better?
Beliskner
Profile Joined August 2015
111 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 07:01:27
July 13 2016 06:55 GMT
#11
On July 13 2016 15:37 ihatevideogames wrote:
It seems strange to me.
I was plat last season and winning 70% of my games, playing mostly vs diamond players. It gave me plat 1 this season and I'm currently 3-25. The heck is going on, is it the new maps or did the plat league get that much better?


You're probably right on the cusp of Dia 3, and that's the problem with the old system wasn't it, sure those players had diamond boarders but who knows what their mmr was at the time. Unfortunately because your MMR didn't change with this update and it landed in plat 1 it's likely that your mmr was closer to mid to high plat and you were versing people who would be demoted or just getting heavily unfavoured matches and now it's high-plat1/low-dia3

edit:: Sorry If you're getting smashed now going 3-25, you're probably just hitting returning players with good skills but provisional mmrs, so it's not really plat getting better but versing opponents whose MMR's haven't settled. Plus everyone plays so tryhard/cheesy at the start of the season.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4137 Posts
July 13 2016 07:23 GMT
#12
WoL has the best distributions. Equal rights for everyone. World best players are just too good so that any distributions have no meaning for them.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
ihatevideogames
Profile Joined August 2015
570 Posts
July 13 2016 07:24 GMT
#13
On July 13 2016 15:55 Beliskner wrote:
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On July 13 2016 15:37 ihatevideogames wrote:
It seems strange to me.
I was plat last season and winning 70% of my games, playing mostly vs diamond players. It gave me plat 1 this season and I'm currently 3-25. The heck is going on, is it the new maps or did the plat league get that much better?


You're probably right on the cusp of Dia 3, and that's the problem with the old system wasn't it, sure those players had diamond boarders but who knows what their mmr was at the time. Unfortunately because your MMR didn't change with this update and it landed in plat 1 it's likely that your mmr was closer to mid to high plat and you were versing people who would be demoted or just getting heavily unfavoured matches and now it's high-plat1/low-dia3

edit:: Sorry If you're getting smashed now going 3-25, you're probably just hitting returning players with good skills but provisional mmrs, so it's not really plat getting better but versing opponents whose MMR's haven't settled. Plus everyone plays so tryhard/cheesy at the start of the season.


Most of my opponents had no rank, there were playing calibration matches, so your theory makes sense. It did seem strange to me when I was vsing people with 300 apm.
Isarios
Profile Joined March 2014
United States153 Posts
July 13 2016 09:48 GMT
#14
mmm. I'm not fond of how large Diamond is. Conflates the ego.
Blahhh
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
July 13 2016 10:53 GMT
#15
Source?
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20319 Posts
July 13 2016 11:13 GMT
#16
On July 13 2016 19:53 Teoita wrote:
Source?


Blizzard announced these percentages a while ago
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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
July 13 2016 11:16 GMT
#17
i wish it was more of a bell curve, with gold and plat being the largest and the sizes gradually decreasing outwards
vibeo gane,
LDaVinci
Profile Joined May 2014
France130 Posts
July 13 2016 11:43 GMT
#18
What would actually be more significative than the percentage is the actual number of players.

My guess is that mainly lower player stopped between WoL and now. So the number of Master player should somehow remain constant in order for a master player to not get demoted just because he isn't in the top 2%. If the lower half just quit the game, the player would be top 4% and probably Diamond. So that enable the master player to stay master even in a smaller number of players.

Making a bigger master league seems totally reasonable in that regard
Those who refuse to become better, already stop being good
CyanApple
Profile Joined February 2016
48 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 12:04:45
July 13 2016 11:59 GMT
#19
On July 13 2016 20:43 LDaVinci wrote:
What would actually be more significative than the percentage is the actual number of players.

My guess is that mainly lower player stopped between WoL and now. So the number of Master player should somehow remain constant in order for a master player to not get demoted just because he isn't in the top 2%. If the lower half just quit the game, the player would be top 4% and probably Diamond. So that enable the master player to stay master even in a smaller number of players.

Making a bigger master league seems totally reasonable in that regard


Wouldn't the MMR population on higher MMR then be more dense than on lower MMR? Couldn't it be confirmed, by comparing the range of MMR for the higher leagues with the range from lower leagues?
I.e. is the range of masters ~6 times smaller than the range of silver/gold/platinum/diamond or (much) smaller?
propagare
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany93 Posts
July 13 2016 15:00 GMT
#20
This could be relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4snkhw/i_create_a_mmr_overview_for_all_tiers_13_and/
„Great men are forged in fire. It is the privilege of lesser men to bring the flame, whatever the cost.” ~
CyanApple
Profile Joined February 2016
48 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 16:00:24
July 13 2016 15:59 GMT
#21
Well that shows, the assumption i wanted to test is wrong.
Despite Masters only having 4% of players, the range within masters is even bigger than the range in diamond with 20% players. Diamond has a slightly higher range than platinum,gold and silver, which have about the same range.
That's to be expected though, as the maximum mmr probably keeps increasing and only few players can keep up, so the population density gets smaller, the higher the mmr.
That's also a reason why a player staying on the same mmr should be demoted at some point, since the mmr of everyone else (who's active) around him should increase, so they deserve the e.g. master rank more.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 19:28:34
July 13 2016 19:28 GMT
#22
Still not enough to make me play SC2 actively again. Matchmaking is still bad. It's still possible for burden to be on someone to carry team while others on team don't do very much. Something basic like getting help from team is a miracle. Overall, I wouldn't recommend SC2 to my friends.
TriX_sc2
Profile Joined March 2016
19 Posts
July 13 2016 19:40 GMT
#23
"matchmaking is still bad"
"team"

lol.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
July 13 2016 19:44 GMT
#24
On July 14 2016 04:40 TriX_sc2 wrote:
"matchmaking is still bad"
"team"

lol.


I mean this guy is plaguing the ingame TL channel with sc2 is dead literally every day after every single game he plays.
And he played more than 10 000...
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 13 2016 19:45 GMT
#25
On July 13 2016 15:19 CursOr wrote:
what really surprises me is that they seem to have decided that people can't handle being in bronze... at all


The reasoning was that there was a much larger difference in skill between people at the bottom of bronze and high bronze, than between people in high bronze and anyone in silver, which sounds reasonable enough.
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